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NYT: Comey and McCabe hit with random audits by IRS

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Linking the Yahoo story for people without a sub to NYT. Considering how vocal a few here were about the IRS being used as a political tool, I'm expecting some very vocal condemnations.

 
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Linking the Yahoo story for people without a sub to NYT. Considering how vocal a few here were about the IRS being used as a political tool, I'm expecting some very vocal condemnations.

They were picked at random. Totally coincidence. Nothing to see here.
 
Linking the Yahoo story for people without a sub to NYT. Considering how vocal a few here were about the IRS being used as a political tool, I'm expecting some very vocal condemnations.

At the moment I accept that highly improbable does not equal impossible.
 
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They were picked at random. Totally coincidence. Nothing to see here.
Or they both claimed something, or several something's that actually triggered a random audit... Given their individual hubris that's most likely a given...

What would amaze is if they actually are treated the same way any other citizen is if it's decided they owe something...
 
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how many billionaires got audited this yr?

last yr?

that said, every senator should be audited every yr.

every congressperson to.


as for the random audits, considering all the people in govt, some partisans on each side should get hit every yr, just by laws of chance when you have a large number on both sides to begin with.

that said, i'm guessing any auditor who finds any individual in power with a very fraudulent return, probably doesn't have a big future at the IRS or anywhere in govt.

or the corporate sector either.

that's one place where the crooks on both sides have each other's backs.

and Teddy wasn't just being glib when he said this.

he meant it, because he knew truth was behind it.


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Or they both claimed something, or several something's that actually triggered a random audit... Given their individual hubris that's most likely a given...

What would amaze is if they actually are treated the same way any other citizen is if it's decided they owe something...
You need a refresher on the word "random."
 
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Or they both claimed something, or several something's that actually triggered a random audit... Given their individual hubris that's most likely a given...

What would amaze is if they actually are treated the same way any other citizen is if it's decided they owe something...
Comey received a $347 refund after the audit, while McCabe, who echoed similar concerns about his audit, owed a small amount of money, according to the Times.
 
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Linking the Yahoo story for people without a sub to NYT. Considering how vocal a few here were about the IRS being used as a political tool, I'm expecting some very vocal condemnations.

In the spirit of how these types of things were treated when we complained in the past, I don't give a flying f unless you have Trump on video telling the IRS to do it. "Is it possible this happened at random? If the answer to that is yes and you have no other evidence then you got nothing." Also, if those 2 had nothing to hide then no big deal.

For what it is worth, I think that this type of thing is wrong but I am not jumping on the "Ermagerd Trump" train on this because nothing happened to the Obama and Hillary linked people who did the same. Same rules for everyone.
 
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In the spirit of how these types of things were treated when we complained in the past, I don't give a flying f unless you have Trump on video telling the IRS to do it. "Is it possible this happened at random? If the answer to that is yes and you have no other evidence then you got nothing." Also, if those 2 had nothing to hide then no big deal.

For what it is worth, I think that this type of thing is wrong but I am not jumping on the "Ermagerd Trump" train on this because nothing happened to the Obama and Hillary linked people who did the same. Same rules for everyone.
And hypocrite #1 steps up to the plate. Thanks.
 
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Linking the Yahoo story for people without a sub to NYT. Considering how vocal a few here were about the IRS being used as a political tool, I'm expecting some very vocal condemnations.

Should be fully investigated and reported.
 
In the spirit of how these types of things were treated when we complained in the past, I don't give a flying f unless you have Trump on video telling the IRS to do it. "Is it possible this happened at random? If the answer to that is yes and you have no other evidence then you got nothing." Also, if those 2 had nothing to hide then no big deal.

For what it is worth, I think that this type of thing is wrong but I am not jumping on the "Ermagerd Trump" train on this because nothing happened to the Obama and Hillary linked people who did the same. Same rules for everyone.
I don’t think Goat is asking anyone to jump on the anti Trump train but rather it’s an indicator of how ridiculous his plants are.
 
I don’t think Goat is asking anyone to jump on the anti Trump train but rather it’s an indicator of how ridiculous his plants are.
I don't even consider this jumping on the anti-Trump train. I consider this another instance where we (the right) complain about something. We are told over and over that the thing we complained about is much ado about nothing. That is until someone on the right is maybe caught doing the same thing that was much ado about nothing in the past but we must now condemn because we were upset about it when the left did it and now it impacted a lefty so it is "the horror".

I am saying **** that noise. I am done with that double standard bullshit. Was it wrong if someone in the Trump administration went after two guys who were involved of a bullshit investigation that was started as a political op by members of the prior administration? Probably...but see everything else in that statement as to why I give zero ****s at the moment because nothing ever happened to those other individuals.

See also the Jan 6th brouhaha and our precious democracy after the Summer of Love and preceeding the "The Supreme Court is Illegitimate" crowd after Dobbs. I said repeatedly in the past when these things were being brushed away that there will be a tit for the tat. Failure to jump on the issues at that time also meant that when the tit for the tat occurred that attempts to decry the malevolence of the deed will fall on deaf ears because of how those things were handled.

And here we are. Nothing happened because it is possible that this happened on the up and up and I refuse to get worked up unless they can get a conviction. Anything less means nothing to see here. That was the standard that people like Goat set in the past when they ridiculed anyone who brought up the very real complaints in the past. Did any GOP leaning folks get audited? Even just 1? If so, nothing to see here. That is the IRS standard they set when Obama's IRS was targeting conservative groups.

Is that a shitty way to run a country? Sure is. That is where we are though. Rule of law means everyone gets the same treatment. We have not had that for awhile and I refuse to be second class. Hope Comey and McCabe enjoyed their IRS rectal exam as much as anyone caught up in the bullshit "Russian Collusion" nonsense enjoyed theirs from the FBI. Payback is a bitch.
 
How is demanding intellectual consistency hypocritical?
Because you are not being consistent. You want us to jump on something you claimed either did not happen or was not important in the past when a Democrat was involved. You can probably go back to when you and others were ridiculing people over their position on the IRS going after conservative groups under Obama or the Hillary campaign and willing accomplices in government's bullshit Russian Collusion nonsense and find posts of me saying that there will be a response to that and to not come crying when it happens...and here you guys are.

I thought it should have been punished back then when Democrats did it. You and many others did not. Nothing happened to those Democrats. So whether I think that is right or wrong does not matter. That is the precedent. We don't care about these things. If we don't care when Obama and Hillary and the DNC do it, then we don't care when Trump and the GOP do it. I am more than happy to come to a position of caring that they both do it, but that needs to start with punishing the Democrats, they started us down the "we don't care" path so they need to be the ones to start us down the other.

This is not rules for thee but not for me. It is either rules for us or not for us.
 
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In the spirit of how these types of things were treated when we complained in the past, I don't give a flying f unless you have Trump on video telling the IRS to do it. "Is it possible this happened at random? If the answer to that is yes and you have no other evidence then you got nothing." Also, if those 2 had nothing to hide then no big deal.

For what it is worth, I think that this type of thing is wrong but I am not jumping on the "Ermagerd Trump" train on this because nothing happened to the Obama and Hillary linked people who did the same. Same rules for everyone.

I don't even consider this jumping on the anti-Trump train. I consider this another instance where we (the right) complain about something. We are told over and over that the thing we complained about is much ado about nothing. That is until someone on the right is maybe caught doing the same thing that was much ado about nothing in the past but we must now condemn because we were upset about it when the left did it and now it impacted a lefty so it is "the horror".

I am saying **** that noise. I am done with that double standard bullshit. Was it wrong if someone in the Trump administration went after two guys who were involved of a bullshit investigation that was started as a political op by members of the prior administration? Probably...but see everything else in that statement as to why I give zero ****s at the moment because nothing ever happened to those other individuals.

See also the Jan 6th brouhaha and our precious democracy after the Summer of Love and preceeding the "The Supreme Court is Illegitimate" crowd after Dobbs. I said repeatedly in the past when these things were being brushed away that there will be a tit for the tat. Failure to jump on the issues at that time also meant that when the tit for the tat occurred that attempts to decry the malevolence of the deed will fall on deaf ears because of how those things were handled.

And here we are. Nothing happened because it is possible that this happened on the up and up and I refuse to get worked up unless they can get a conviction. Anything less means nothing to see here. That was the standard that people like Goat set in the past when they ridiculed anyone who brought up the very real complaints in the past. Did any GOP leaning folks get audited? Even just 1? If so, nothing to see here. That is the IRS standard they set when Obama's IRS was targeting conservative groups.

Is that a shitty way to run a country? Sure is. That is where we are though. Rule of law means everyone gets the same treatment. We have not had that for awhile and I refuse to be second class. Hope Comey and McCabe enjoyed their IRS rectal exam as much as anyone caught up in the bullshit "Russian Collusion" nonsense enjoyed theirs from the FBI. Payback is a bitch.

"And here we are. Nothing happened because it is possible that this happened on the up and up and I refuse to get worked up unless they can get a conviction. Anything less means nothing to see here. That was the standard that people like Goat set in the past when they ridiculed anyone who brought up the very real complaints in the past. Did any GOP leaning folks get audited? Even just 1? If so, nothing to see here. That is the IRS standard they set when Obama's IRS was targeting conservative groups."

Because you are not being consistent. You want us to jump on something you claimed either did not happen or was not important in the past when a Democrat was involved. You can probably go back to when you and others were ridiculing people over there position on the IRS going after conservative groups under Obama or Hillary campaign and willing accomplices in governments bullshit Russian Collusion nonsense and find posts of me saying that there will be a response to that and to not come crying when it happens...and here you guys are."

You've made at least three, and possibly more posts insisting on repeating a mantra which has largely been debunked except in far right circles. The reality is that while Conservatives have continued to maintain (for political purposes) that the IRS only challenged groups applying for tax-exempt status who had names linked to terms like tea party, the fact is that they targeted left wing groups (using terms like "progressive") as well. That fact came to light in 2017 when a bi-partisan Senate Committee requested an analysis/audit from the Treasury Dept IG who oversees the IRS. This was the fall of 2017, Trump was POTUS and the GOP controlled the Senate...

Of course that correction never made it to Fox News, who like other right wing media continued to utilize the cash cow of political outrage that the "IRS targeted conservatives" claim provided. As so often happens, the follow up to the story which reveals more details and often corrects false claims never get's equal promotion to the original claim. The fact that you keep repeating it even after it's been debunked is evidence of how successful (although not particularly accurate) a claim it's proven to be in right wing circles.



"Now, in the third audit of how the tax-exempt application process went off the rails, the Treasury Department's inspector general overseeing the IRS has found the agency targeted not just conservatives but also scores of groups with words like "progressive" in their names.

The Treasury inspector general for tax administration, or TIGTA, did the report at the request of a bipartisan group of senators.

"The far right has been beating a drum for years now that there was a partisan attack on them," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., one of the requestors. He said the new report shows "that's just not true."

But the TIGTA audit didn't absolve the IRS. Wyden said the overall picture was "equal opportunity mismanagement and equal opportunity bedlam."

 
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"And here we are. Nothing happened because it is possible that this happened on the up and up and I refuse to get worked up unless they can get a conviction. Anything less means nothing to see here. That was the standard that people like Goat set in the past when they ridiculed anyone who brought up the very real complaints in the past. Did any GOP leaning folks get audited? Even just 1? If so, nothing to see here. That is the IRS standard they set when Obama's IRS was targeting conservative groups."

Because you are not being consistent. You want us to jump on something you claimed either did not happen or was not important in the past when a Democrat was involved. You can probably go back to when you and others were ridiculing people over there position on the IRS going after conservative groups under Obama or Hillary campaign and willing accomplices in governments bullshit Russian Collusion nonsense and find posts of me saying that there will be a response to that and to not come crying when it happens...and here you guys are."

You've made at least three, and possibly more posts insisting on repeating a mantra which has largely been debunked except in far right circles. The reality is that while Conservatives have continued to maintain (for political purposes) that the IRS only challenged groups applying for tax-exempt status who had names linked to terms like tea party, the fact is that they targeted left wing groups (using terms like "progressive") as well. That fact came to light in 2017 when a bi-partisan Senate Committee requested an analysis/audit from the Treasury Dept IG who oversees the IRS. This was the fall of 2017, Trump was POTUS and the GOP controlled the Senate...

Of course that correction never made it to Fox News, who like other right wing media continued to utilize the cash cow of political outrage that the "IRS targeted conservatives" claim provided. As so often happens, the follow up to the story which reveals more details and often corrects false claims never get's equal promotion to the original claim. The fact that you keep repeating it even after it's been debunked is evidence of how successful (although not particularly accurate) a claim it's proven to be in right wing circles.



"Now, in the third audit of how the tax-exempt application process went off the rails, the Treasury Department's inspector general overseeing the IRS has found the agency targeted not just conservatives but also scores of groups with words like "progressive" in their names.

The Treasury inspector general for tax administration, or TIGTA, did the report at the request of a bipartisan group of senators.

"The far right has been beating a drum for years now that there was a partisan attack on them," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., one of the requestors. He said the new report shows "that's just not true."

But the TIGTA audit didn't absolve the IRS. Wyden said the overall picture was "equal opportunity mismanagement and equal opportunity bedlam."

What do you do for a living? High level.

I think you have a lot of interesting things to say but I cannot invest to read your tremendously lengthy posts. Rest assured if I sent notes that long to people at work - nobody would read them.
 
Because you are not being consistent. You want us to jump on something you claimed either did not happen or was not important in the past when a Democrat was involved. You can probably go back to when you and others were ridiculing people over their position on the IRS going after conservative groups under Obama or the Hillary campaign and willing accomplices in government's bullshit Russian Collusion nonsense and find posts of me saying that there will be a response to that and to not come crying when it happens...and here you guys are.

I thought it should have been punished back then when Democrats did it. You and many others did not. Nothing happened to those Democrats. So whether I think that is right or wrong does not matter. That is the precedent. We don't care about these things. If we don't care when Obama and Hillary and the DNC do it, then we don't care when Trump and the GOP do it. I am more than happy to come to a position of caring that they both do it, but that needs to start with punishing the Democrats, they started us down the "we don't care" path so they need to be the ones to start us down the other.

This is not rules for thee but not for me. It is either rules for us or not for us.
Bullshit. I'm not the one changing the rules because it's the other side. You are, and your projecting that hypocrisy on me by accusing me of things I never said.
 
Comey received a $347 refund after the audit, while McCabe, who echoed similar concerns about his audit, owed a small amount of money, according to the Times.
Torbin - we're going to need to you blow this PROPERLY out of proportion.
 
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Linking the Yahoo story for people without a sub to NYT. Considering how vocal a few here were about the IRS being used as a political tool, I'm expecting some very vocal condemnations.

Why would anyone condemn the IRS for doing their job?

By the Leftist logic on Trump, why would they worry if they don't have anything to hide?

By the way, I've been audited. Under Obama. Is that coincidence?
 
Lois Lerner wasn't doing her job by targeting conservative groups. And she admitted it.

But you know that.
Admitted what? She said there was no intentional partisan targeting. The FBI found no such evidence. But that doesn't matter to the conservatives on this forum who consider it revealed truth from on high that Lerner did this, and she did it at Obama's direction. One poster said it was worse corruption than Nixon.

I just want a little consistency. I want those same posters to condemn Trump for the same thing.
 
Admitted what? She said there was no intentional partisan targeting. The FBI found no such evidence. But that doesn't matter to the conservatives on this forum who consider it revealed truth from on high that Lerner did this, and she did it at Obama's direction. One poster said it was worse corruption than Nixon.

I just want a little consistency. I want those same posters to condemn Trump for the same thing.
If she didn't do anything wrong, why did she apologize?



It's not the same thing, at all.
 
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What do you do for a living? High level.

I think you have a lot of interesting things to say but I cannot invest to read your tremendously lengthy posts. Rest assured if I sent notes that long to people at work - nobody would read them.
When I discuss politics I revert back to my Poly Sci Blue book essay days at IU and try to rely on facts to support my opinion. I'm basically retired over my heart issues, but I never really had subordinates to send notes to. I worked a lot of overnights in my years working with people with disabilities, so I always had some free time to get on the internet and inter act with others...
 
IRS auditing ought to follow capitalist principles. If they are finding the cheats and recouping more money than the audits cost, do more of them. If they are instead finding too few cheats and not recouping as much money as the audits cost, do less of them (or reduce the costs, if you can).

I have never worried much about audits because I don't cheat on my taxes. But I understand it still is a pain to get audited.
 
If she didn't do anything wrong, why did she apologize?



It's not the same thing, at all.
You're right, it's not remotely the same thing you claimed in your prior post.

But that's beside the point. The point is a group of posters here have long since accepted as gospel the charge she intentionally went after conservative groups at the direction of the white house, despite the lack of any evidence to that effect. Those same posters should be outraged at this story.
 
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You're right, it's not remotely the same thing you claimed in your prior post.

But that's beside the point. The point is a group of posters here have long since accepted as gospel the charge she intentionally went after conservative groups at the direction of the white house, despite the lack of any evidence to that effect. Those same posters should be outraged at this story.
"I want those same posters to condemn Trump for the same thing." That's your quote. LIke Lerner and Trump did the same thing - targeting individuals or groups.

Now you say they're not the same - which is it?

We don't know what her motivation was, or who directed it, because she took the 5th so often.

According to your liberal brethren here, taking the 5th automatically makes you guilty.

"At the first part of the hearing last May, Lerner delivered an opening statement declaring she had done nothing wrong, and then invoked her Fifth Amendment right and refused to answer any more questions."

"
 
"I want those same posters to condemn Trump for the same thing." That's your quote. LIke Lerner and Trump did the same thing - targeting individuals or groups.

Now you say they're not the same - which is it?

We don't know what her motivation was, or who directed it, because she took the 5th so often.

According to your liberal brethren here, taking the 5th automatically makes you guilty.

"At the first part of the hearing last May, Lerner delivered an opening statement declaring she had done nothing wrong, and then invoked her Fifth Amendment right and refused to answer any more questions."

"
Barack Hussain Obama was calling the shots . Does that even sound like an American name!
 
"I want those same posters to condemn Trump for the same thing." That's your quote. LIke Lerner and Trump did the same thing - targeting individuals or groups.

Now you say they're not the same - which is it?

We don't know what her motivation was, or who directed it, because she took the 5th so often.

According to your liberal brethren here, taking the 5th automatically makes you guilty.

"At the first part of the hearing last May, Lerner delivered an opening statement declaring she had done nothing wrong, and then invoked her Fifth Amendment right and refused to answer any more questions."

"
I'm not saying they're the same. I'm saying an intellectually honest conservative poster on this forum should condemn them as the same thing.
 
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