Not sure Woody makes it through the entire season.
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We haven't looked very good, so far, in our Quad 1 games. Obviously picking up a few of them will change everyone's mood, and justifiably so.
Last season our NET ranking was stable at 100 (plus minus small amount) and this season, thus far, stable at 60 (plus mor minus). I would say game results do look like 60 plus or minus. If we would maintain 60 then anything positive with Quad 1 will help at around a 60 rating.
Last season final was 98th with 3 Quad 1 wins and didn’t make it but if we maintain about a 60 ranking with some Quad 1 success then better chance.
In Miller’s 12 win final season we finished with a KenPom of 50. Frustrating that we aren’t improving as a program.
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Looking like that could be how it plays out. But honestly if by the end of January, early February, we need to be analyzing the NET, with the context being whether we'll be in the NCAA tourney, or not...well, I don't think I'll even spend the time doing it. Who cares at that point?...
The podcaster is pretty wacky but Brian Evans confirms everything that's been rumored about Buckner-Woodson-Dolson-Matta et al. Very distressing.
It seems to me that handing the keys to the football program to a 63 year old seemed to reverse old traditions and historical direction just fine.
Oh I like projecting and predicting things like wins and losses, and their impact on NET rankings and such. I did it regularly the last month or so of the season last year. But I think there was still an element of hope tied to that interest, last year. THIS year, if we're in any sort of similar position, even if we're 20,30,40 spots higher in the NET, I just don't think it'll interest me nearly as much to spend the time doing it.
All of this….and they said that Matta “failed the physical” when Scott tried to get him in. Woody is in worse shape physically and they pushed him right through, no question or concern from his buddies on the BOT. Total sham and a good old boy network.
I have a great deal of respect for Brian Evans and three of the reasons are-
1) Loved watching him play
2) He’s a Hautean
3) He wrote the very best remembrance of RMK that I have read
I tend not to listen to podcasters, especially ones begging for clicks, but chose to listen to the first 10 minutes.
I will say, even thought i have no hard proof, I always thought the Matta-Fife/CMW arrangement was a little odd, and their departures even more strange. Sounds like Fife burned some bridges so I'll throw that out, but Matta coming here, then sitting quietly for 6 months with what appeared to be no involvement, and then quietly leaving...then picking up a new head coaching gig of his own, and as far as I can tell, having next to nothing to say about his 12 months in Bloomington....really felt like something was off on this from the very beginning.
I will say, even thought i have no hard proof, I always thought the Matta-Fife/CMW arrangement was a little odd, and their departures even more strange. Sounds like Fife burned some bridges so I'll throw that out, but Matta coming here, then sitting quietly for 6 months with what appeared to be no involvement, and then quietly leaving...then picking up a new head coaching gig of his own, and as far as I can tell, having next to nothing to say about his 12 months in Bloomington....really felt like something was off on this from the very beginning.
Oh there are a ton of truths in that podcast. To share with the public a month into the season should get them shot.
You know Matta had cancer and it could have been really bad right? He is extremely lucky to be where he is today health wise.
I listened to a good chunk of it. Nothing that was said surprised me. Did they (and guest Evans) come across as having some big axe to grind, airing ugly dirty laundry, or being overly negative ? Not to me.
Why???
what was so shocking?
so the basketball program is “rotten to the core”, big deal. I already knew that.
I honestly don't think the following is a reach...
Woodson wasn't even on Dolson's search list when he began his search in March of 21. There were others, Stevens initially, but others beyond that. Buckner, and other key boosters brought Woodson to Dolson, and forced him through.
Dolson, not Woodson, probably directly as a result of that, brought in both Matta and Fife. We know Fife made some really big mistakes. But we also now have quite a lot of stories and evidence, that Woodson isn't they type of guy to take any sort of help or constructive criticism, even from guys as accomplished as Matta, and even Fife. Fife made his own bed, can't really fault Woodson a ton on that one probably. Matta's demeanor, proximity, and then fairly quick departure are a much bigger warning sign in to how the program was being run, in my opinion.
The combination of IUs performance last year, the action of some guys like X, and even Mackenzie, off the court, led Dolson to being very serious about getting rid of Woodson last year. That got squashed, Dolson got "censured", and big dollar people came in and essentially neutered Dolson..."Woodson is staying. You can't do anything about it. But to show our "appreciation", and full support for the program, we're going to step up the NIL money so we can help Coach out with some ball players."
With a fractured fan base, and a football hire needing made, Dolson gave in and got on board with it.
The one little piece of the story that gives me some hope that Dolson wasn't completely neutered, was that there was no contract extension given. And that when the contract was rewritten a couple years ago, the buyout was structured such that it would be pretty easy for IU to let Woodson go, financially, whenever they felt like they needed to.
So assuming this season continues to go how it sure feels like it is. I gotta think the contract structure, how it likely went with the initial hiring, then how this past offseason went...all that will be enough for Dolson to have enough on his side to make a move this offseason if he wants to. And I have to assume he'll have more than a little pleasure doing it...
But you know at the time it was widely questioned Woodson’s ability to coach the college game. It did make sense to have two involved with college experience and who had a good reputation in the IU community. It appears the trouble was Woodson’s opposition to making it work. His opposition likely came from a misguided belief that he was above cooperating with such lowly individuals that were implanted by the lowly Dolson.
guess we'll just have to let this season play out. Win or lose, status quo until March.
January will be huge, and telling....road games at PSU, Iowa, NW, Purdue, OSU. Home games include Rutgers and ILL. Brutal month coming.
January will be huge, and telling....road games at PSU, Iowa, NW, Purdue, OSU. Home games include Rutgers and ILL. Brutal month coming.
it's really bad when it's the bathroom.
You should be happy when they lose. That's my Blue Uniform Rule in effect -- in other words a public service by their opponents.
All the teams I despise wear blue uniforms: Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, UCONN and Purdue.
After listening to Brian Evans on the hysterics podcast, I’m not giving Woody the benefit of the doubt, or any well wishes for the season. Now, I realize what I think doesn’t matter, but I’m not the only one who feels like this.
Miss a dinner with a recruit and their family because you wanted to keep playing cards, drinking and eat pizza? Yeah, you’re f*****g out.
Use less than half of your recruiting visits? F*****g out.
I wish I hadn’t listened to that podcast but I’m glad I did. I spent quite a bit of time in Bloomington a couple years ago and people would make comments about their interactions with Woody. I would say to myself “he can’t be that big of an asshole”. After hearing the stories from Evans and the hosts from the podcast, it all lines up. It all lines up to him being a completely lazy, arrogant asshole. One can kinda go hand-in-hand with being a D1 coach at a big name school…the other doesn’t work anywhere, in any profession.
Its strange because, as a player, he always came across as a confident guy, but not an arrogant one. There's something about coaching in the NBA, in NYC, that resulted in him having (in my eyes) an inflated sense of self worth/entitlement, and a complete lack of humility. That, and the 'old dog, new tricks' aspect of things has paralyzed the whole program with the result that obvious flaws can't even be discussed, let alone addressed.
Personal story and observation from the Adidas Nationals that I attended this summer.
I would say of the prominent coaches, Woodson was the one I saw the least. Pope was there the most. Izzo was there a lot. Woodson, I think I only saw him in the coaching pit area 1 time, away from the big featured main arena. Other than that, only saw him at the Indiana Elite games in the main arena.
Also, while watching my sons team play (26 class), on one of the non arena courts, Shaka Smart comes walking up and accidentally bumps in to me...and asks, very politely, if I cared if he stood next to me, and kind of in front of me. I said no problem coach, but shouldn't he be down on the other end in the coaches pit. He said "nah, not my kinda crowd down there. I like hanging down with the parents." Everyone that heard him lit up and he chatted it up with us for a bit.
I took 2 things from that...knowing what I know of recruiting big events like this.
1. He's a personable guy, humble it seems, polite, very comfortable interacting with normal fans. Woodson NEVER ventured outside the roped areas that were only for coaches, and never left from anywhere other than the coaches only entrances.
2. More practically, I suspect the interaction Smart had was an organic, and unplanned one on his part. But his presence, with a hat on, Marquette backpack, but not a Marquette shirt...down with all the parents was absolutely planned out. There were a couple kids in that game that I'm sure he was looking at, and both their parent groups were in our general area. I'm sure he was getting a feel for them, as much as he was the players themselves.
Small thing, might not mean anything. But I strongly suspect that level of dedication, and attention to details is why Marquette is top 10, and under Smart has always "seemed to get guys that fit his system perfectly".
We're going in to gun fights with a toothpick...with Woodson.
Are you sure that your focus on Woodson's apparent health problems helps your argument? 😁😁😁. (Just kidding. Just kidding.)
I've heard that some people who have trouble walking are still very good basketball coaches:
Talking about Walsh wanting to leave and begging for his job, talking about ya throwing a punch at woody and begging for his job back. Saying woody is a moron doesn’t help us win or get players.
TMP, is there much validity to the suggestion that Painter recruits more 7-footers than most other coaches?
I see only two 7-footers on Purdue's current roster, but I swear Purdue's roster had 3 7-footers on its roster a few weeks ago.
(Plus, I see Caleb Furst has shrunk to 6'10" again. His height seems to go up and down like the stock morket.)
Ssssh, let's see if the new boy even knows what this is:
One, run.
Two, shoe.
Three, tree.
Four, door.
Five, hive.
Six, sick.
Seven, heaven.
Eight, gate.
So you don’t think the fact that those things are true keep us from winning and getting players, but the fact it became public does??
You're right. But sometimes when you reach my age, by the time you get there you don't have to use it anymore.
I agree. 63 sounds young at this point. I'm looking forward to kicking all your college punk asses next year.
I am not convinced anything that comes out in a podcast has any affect on how we play defensively, the fact we often don’t hustle, or that we turn the ball over a lot.
Ah. One of the rare occasions when you missed the point.
Black and urine is close enough when it comes to hating Purdue. It's like the Free Space in Bingo. Purdue just sucks. Black and urine is blue enough to qualify.
Why does that man not have a NFL job right now?I agree. 63 sounds young at this point. I'm looking forward to kicking all your college punk asses next year.
Uh, just exactly whose decision do you think that has been ??
Belichick (who has run two marathons in the last 2-3 years) is the only decision maker.
