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At some point, the results on the field are your best recruiting tool. Or your worst. Hard to understand why CKW can't recruit a top flight quarterback. After 5 years you would think he would've snagged at least 1 by now.
Both of you are right. The only thing that is going to get us a higher rated recruiting class for 2016 is a bowl game season. A coach(s) can only recruit on promises of an improving program for 4 or 5 years max before recruits stop believing them. I think it is quite telling that we currently have 0 commits from the state of Indiana, while at the same time, some of our best players like Spriggs, Latham, Dutra, etc., are from Indiana. This can all change by November if KW and our coaches put together a 7-5 season as KW has shown the ability to flip recruits. However, absent that 7-5 or at least 6-6 season with an added bowl victory, I think our 2016 recruiting class will be last in the BIG.
We had our elite QB recruit in Gunner and could not keep him. Nate is a highly thought of QB with pro-potential, but he was from a small school and not that highly recruited, and the main reason he came to IU was that the coach who recruited him to Arizona, Seth Luttrell, left for IU. I think our offense, in addition to missing Nate, also missed Luttrell. A lot of people on this board seem to forget that even before Nate got hurt, we were 3-2 and heading for defeat at Iowa, with a struggling offense. We were not setting the world on fire or winning games we should have won like Maryland and Bowling Green even though we had a once in a generation back like Tevin.
In 4 years, we had 4 three star QB's quit the program. Yeah, maybe some of them weren't that great, such as Wright- Baker and Kiel, but they sure would have been better than Zander last year. I guess none of us know why Roberson and Coffman, who will be starting at Wyoming this year, left our program, but we certainly missed both of them last year.
Not only does a program like Indiana need to recruit better talent, which KW has done during the past 4 years, but we have to keep that talent in the program, and a winning record and a fun bowl game can help do just that.
We had our elite QB recruit in Gunner and could not keep him. Nate is a highly thought of QB with pro-potential, but he was from a small school and not that highly recruited, and the main reason he came to IU was that the coach who recruited him to Arizona, Seth Luttrell, left for IU. I think our offense, in addition to missing Nate, also missed Luttrell. A lot of people on this board seem to forget that even before Nate got hurt, we were 3-2 and heading for defeat at Iowa, with a struggling offense. We were not setting the world on fire or winning games we should have won like Maryland and Bowling Green even though we had a once in a generation back like Tevin.
In 4 years, we had 4 three star QB's quit the program. Yeah, maybe some of them weren't that great, such as Wright- Baker and Kiel, but they sure would have been better than Zander last year. I guess none of us know why Roberson and Coffman, who will be starting at Wyoming this year, left our program, but we certainly missed both of them last year.
Not only does a program like Indiana need to recruit better talent, which KW has done during the past 4 years, but we have to keep that talent in the program, and a winning record and a fun bowl game can help do just that.
IU was fortunate that SL's hiring after RichRod got to UA and pulled Sudfeld's offer led Nate to IU. He really didn't have many other options at that point. The Kiel loss really hurt. He's a difference maker who would have elevated the program in both wins and recruiting.
IU needs 7 or 8 wins this year, including a couple of breakthrough wins in the Big ten, to legitimize the program and turnaround recruiting. You can't sell that the program is up and coming if they aren't really showing it on the field.
Give it time. There is a consistent pattern with this staff over the last 3 recruiting cycles in closing strong.
There is a lot of uncertainty about this season so it is not surprising that there is a lot of uncertainty regarding recruiting. If Sudfeld can stay healthy and have a great season, the Hoosiers could be a great situation to recruit a top quarterback. And if that happens a lot of other pieces could fall into place. If not, the wheels could fall off the bus.
If the Hoosiers perform, a lot of recruits may revisit their commitments.
If the Hoosiers perform, a lot of recruits may revisit their commitments.
It's August 9. It's completely meaningless right now. I think we've been last each of the last 3 years at this time and inevitably end up closing strong, but for some reason people are deliberately ignoring that or just have short attention spans.
Agreed. This season is very important. A breakout year this year, and last year was just bad luck. A bad year and it's a trend.
I said essentially the same thing as Ranger above when I commented that a better effort should be made to retain "salvageable" players in regard to the recent batch of players exiting to get more playing time at smaller colleges like lower NCAA Division I-AA schools. or even NAIA schools, The response received here was that the players had fallen too low on the depth charts that the players really weren't worth salvaging or that players also transfer at other colleges so it isn't a problem here,
And so what does Wilson tell parents of potential recruits who ask why those do leave
before normally finishing here?
And so what does Wilson tell parents of potential recruits who ask why those do leave
before normally finishing here?
I didn't say that he "sucks", only that he wasn't heavily recruited and CKW hasn't been able to recruit a highly rated quarterback. What's your problem today?
I did see Nate in taken in the first round of a mock draft for 2016. It's not about recruiting a top WB, but rather getting top play out of your QB. I believe guys like Sam Bradford and Marcus Marriotta were 3 star guys but they performed at a high level.
You guys have got a lot in this debate wrong. You don't have to possess an elite QB to have success. You focus on the wrong hole in all of this: offensive skill positions.
There are plenty of bowl teams with serviceable QBs. No team makes it with a horrific defense. There was nothing bad about our QB play in 2013 and, yet, our defense couldn't stop anybody. We can debate QB play all we want to but until we put a semi-competent defense on the field, this is a moot point.
People need look no further than 2001 when, and only when, our DEFENSE started to come around mid-season did we start to win some games and this was with one the most dynamic QBs we ever had put on a jersey for us.
There are plenty of bowl teams with serviceable QBs. No team makes it with a horrific defense. There was nothing bad about our QB play in 2013 and, yet, our defense couldn't stop anybody. We can debate QB play all we want to but until we put a semi-competent defense on the field, this is a moot point.
People need look no further than 2001 when, and only when, our DEFENSE started to come around mid-season did we start to win some games and this was with one the most dynamic QBs we ever had put on a jersey for us.
While that's true, the kids we've gotten are ranked lower than in the past, so this class won't improve all that much in terms of rankings. Still think we've gotten some good commits considering our continued losing, but we will finish last or next to last when it all shakes out regardless of how we finish up.
You could be right on everything you stated. It seems like every year we get this hand wringing and sometimes it plays out that it's true and other times it is not. I think it's possible some of our guys get an improvement in their ranking or we flip some people as well. If Indiana has a big year, there might be some in state kids in play. At this point though the biggest thing for Indiana is winning right now because no matter who commits, they can't help this year or for the most part won't be making a huge impact in 2016.
Can somebody tell us exactly when our program was able to land a majority of the top 10 kids in the state of Indiana?
My point is that our lack of landing top in-state talent is not some recent phenomenon. This goes back decades. A whole host of in-state guys have gone to schools like Michigan, Michigan State and other programs. One of the top linemen in the state went to North Carolina a couple years back and Virginia Tech was like a pipeline for Warren Central RBs for some period.
Gotta win for kids to respect the home state school.
My point is that our lack of landing top in-state talent is not some recent phenomenon. This goes back decades. A whole host of in-state guys have gone to schools like Michigan, Michigan State and other programs. One of the top linemen in the state went to North Carolina a couple years back and Virginia Tech was like a pipeline for Warren Central RBs for some period.
Gotta win for kids to respect the home state school.
We didn't finish last in recruiting in the conference the last 3 years and that's with a lot of losing.
He is correct. Even if we land some higher ranked recruits, unless some of our current commits get ranked higher, we will no improve greatly in the rankings. It's a math problem.
exactly. we've never been able to lock down the state in fb. someday maybe, not yet. and it doesn't really matter right now. we need to get the best players from wherever . bb now thats a whole different story.
And that could very well be the case as some guys will move up, but as ranking go, they seem to really mimic how a team finishes in years before. If IU w
exactly. Winning trumps everything in my opinion too
You say this every year, and you're totally right on this most years.
While I think there's room to grow here, I think there's something to be said for this staff not pushing as hard for summer commitments as others might. Not a value judgement there, but it just appears they would rather have a chance to flip a guy late than lose him to a flip, if that makes any sense.
Besides flips, there's always a good number of under the radar types that weren't noticed their Jr years for a variety of reasons (undersized, injured, switched schools, Jr year was the first year playing football, etc) then have a solid Sr season and finally get noticed. These guys can be comparable (better in some cases) to the lower end recruits big name schools are getting in June/July, but those schools no longer have room for these guys when they finally do break out
Waiting things out isn't a bad strategy. Why fill up on scraps and crumbs when there's a second helping still in the kitchen
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For the 2015 class we got 14 of our 22 recruits on verbals AFTER the month of August. The vast majority of those guys verballed in December thru January.
The 2014 class - 18 of 26 recruits verballed after August of 2013.
2013 class -17 of 20 verballed after August of 2012.
2012 - 14 of 25 verballed after August of 2011.
Some of our highest ranked guys have pledges very late in the recruiting process.
The 2014 class - 18 of 26 recruits verballed after August of 2013.
2013 class -17 of 20 verballed after August of 2012.
2012 - 14 of 25 verballed after August of 2011.
Some of our highest ranked guys have pledges very late in the recruiting process.
2013 indiana highschool top 10. signed 5,6,7,9. 5,6,7 were all 4 stars
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