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New Supreme Court Ruling

I have read the decision.

No big deal.

The bigger deal is that so many criminals have guns despite the law.
Your last sentence's use of "despite the law"brings up one of the weird parts of the Bruen decision in Alito's concurrence. Alito wrote:

Does the dissent think that laws like New York’s prevent or deter such atrocities? Will a person bent on carrying out a mass shooting be stopped if he knows that it is illegal to carry a handgun outside the home? And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.​
P. 72 of this:


What judge in his right mind would ever think that any statute ever truly "stops" prohibited behavior or that a statute that doesn't actually "stop" prohibited behavior is unworthy of keeping? Judges at all levels deal with people who refuse to obey statutes and court orders. They all know, including Alito, that the mere existence of a statute does not "stop" any prohibited behavior. Weird that he argued this.

Now, if the opposing attorneys or dissenters used "stop" in their arguments, then maybe Alito was justified in using "stop" himself, but his question at the beginning of my quoted passage above indicates that this wasn't what he was saying.
 
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The biggest problem with the 2nd Amendment is that it’s horribly written. Depending on your interpretation of the commas and clauses it either says that well regulated militias shall not be infringed or the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. We could use a little more clarity with that one in retrospect.

Oddly enough, carrying firearms was often banned in towns in the 1800s where they couldn’t be carried at all in town and had to be turned in to the town Marshall.
 
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Yup, since you are a partisan hack adolf
The best you have is to tell someone that disagrees with you on this issue is that they’re Adolf? There are millions of Jews who might and should be offended at the comparison. Not to mention the thousands of American lives lost fighting that evil…. Hyperbole is unbecoming of you
 
The biggest problem with the 2nd Amendment is that it’s horribly written. Depending on your interpretation of the commas and clauses it either says that well regulated militias shall not be infringed or the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. We could use a little more clarity with that one in retrospect.

Oddly enough, carrying firearms was often banned in towns in the 1800s where they couldn’t be carried at all in town and had to be turned in to the town Marshall.
Don't you think that was by design since they could have made it clear what they meant? Obviously owning a gun as an individual is not the same as a well regulated militia so what are they really saying? Are they saying states can have a militia and the government can't pass laws to stop them?
 
Don't you think that was by design since they could have made it clear what they meant? Obviously owning a gun as an individual is not the same as a well regulated militia so what are they really saying? Are they saying states can have a militia and the government can't pass laws to stop them?
I have James Madison on speed dial. I’ll ask and get back with you
 
Don't you think that was by design since they could have made it clear what they meant? Obviously owning a gun as an individual is not the same as a well regulated militia so what are they really saying? Are they saying states can have a militia and the government can't pass laws to stop them?
I honestly have no clue and I have admittedly not read a bunch about the constitutional convention debates. It might have been by design, but it was a really bad idea. Because you could have people voting for and ratifying an amendment thinking it meant different things.
 
Because you could have people voting for and ratifying an amendment thinking it meant different things.
That's true because you and I would probably have different opinions on exactly what it meant but maybe back when it was written it may seemed more clear.

Another one that I have trouble with is the Establishment Clause. To me it just says that the government can't pass laws to establish a religion but it's sure evolved to a lot more than that. For example, they just ruled that Maine couldn't withhold money from schools (paraphrasing) because they were religious based. In other words Maine can't discriminate base on religion. That got some people up in arms but that ruling, to me, has nothing to do with establishing a religion.
 
That's true because you and I would probably have different opinions on exactly what it meant but maybe back when it was written it may seemed more clear.

Another one that I have trouble with is the Establishment Clause. To me it just says that the government can't pass laws to establish a religion but it's sure evolved to a lot more than that. For example, they just ruled that Maine couldn't withhold money from schools (paraphrasing) because they were religious based. In other words Maine can't discriminate base on religion. That got some people up in arms but that ruling, to me, has nothing to do with establishing a religion.
Yeah, the establishment clause is also a tricky one for sure.

I certainly get the idea that “establishment” isn’t binary and that it’s on a continuum. Like, making Catholicism the state religion would clearly be a violation, I would think that publicly funding the Catholic Church in part would still violate even if it wasn’t made the official state religion. How low on the continuum of state sanctioned/supported religious related stuff is violative? Who knows.
 
That's true because you and I would probably have different opinions on exactly what it meant but maybe back when it was written it may seemed more clear.

Another one that I have trouble with is the Establishment Clause. To me it just says that the government can't pass laws to establish a religion but it's sure evolved to a lot more than that. For example, they just ruled that Maine couldn't withhold money from schools (paraphrasing) because they were religious based. In other words Maine can't discriminate base on religion. That got some people up in arms but that ruling, to me, has nothing to do with establishing a religion.

We will know the moment an Atheist group starts an Atheist school and demands state money. If they get it, it has nothing to do with establishment.
 
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We will know the moment an Atheist group starts an Atheist school and demands state money. If they get it, it has nothing to do with establishment.
I assume(maybe wrongly because I didn't read the details) that the schools were teaching what was required by the state so if an atheist wants to start a school and teach what's required it would be fine by me.
 
I assume(maybe wrongly because I didn't read the details) that the schools were teaching what was required by the state so if an atheist wants to start a school and teach what's required it would be fine by me.
Yes, they just add religious teaching into the standard lessons. So an atheist group would need to do the same, but I guarantee some of the people supporting the religious schools will find a reason to oppose government money for Atheists.
 
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