More Progressive That's The Ticket
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To win your party’s primary and ultimately a general election, you must first run against your party.
Bush ran on “compassionate conservatism” as an affront to the GOP orthodoxy of the time. Obama ran against the Clinton machine. Trump tore down the Republican Party and rebuilt it in his image.
AOC will win the 2028 primary as she is going to run against the significant segment of the Democratic Party that still believes in private ownership.
Bush ran on “compassionate conservatism” as an affront to the GOP orthodoxy of the time. Obama ran against the Clinton machine. Trump tore down the Republican Party and rebuilt it in his image.
AOC will win the 2028 primary as she is going to run against the significant segment of the Democratic Party that still believes in private ownership.
Demagoguery worked for Trump but he’s finished. Could work for AOC. All she needs is a base of 35% of the Democrats.
Bernie Sanders actually tells a lot of truths (unlike Trump) and those truths resonate with a lot of people.
Who does the RNP have to actually replace Trump as an effective demagogue? Desantis? Please. JD Vance? Pffft.
Bernie Sanders had been spewing the same bullshit for five decades. None of it has much grounding in truth.
Sanders won’t run in 2028, I don’t think. Even by our standards he’s too old.
But whoever he gives his blessing to will be the leader in the clubhouse.
That appears to be AOC at the moment.
If Trump doesn’t kill MAGA first. He’s killed everything else with his poison touch.
I get that painting AOC as a socialist is an easy brushstroke in the United States but I think you’re underestimating Trump‘s unique power as a demagogue. Not replaceable.
Maga touched on the right recipe. That’s not limited to trump
A right recipe, not the.
Immigration reform, tariffs, DEI, anti-vaxx play second fiddle to the economy. The RNP is 1000% dependent for their success on the Dems playing tenth fiddle.
The issue has become, "What have you done to stop the fascist?" Sorry, just revenge for all the times Obama/Biden were called "socialist" or "communist". Someone like Schumer, who let the CR pass without a fight, is on the outs in favor of someone who would have stood up. Personally, I get Schumer's reasoning. But there didn't seem to be an attempt to win any concessions, so I get why people left of me are frustrated.
Maga focused on the worker last election. That’s what Dems lost prioritizing woke shit
In the end. A bad economy will bring down any president, regardless of how much they’re at fault.
Trump seems to earnestly believe he’s “biting the bullet” to provide a fairer and better economy for generations to come. He’s largely mistaken, imo.
But he’s on his second term so why not? But it won’t be good for Republicans trying to win after him.
Yep. The left will attempt to fill the gap with taxes and welfare/aid
Pffft on Maga’s focus. Trump licked the tiny magina balls until testicular angiogenesis created a capillary or two and the blood flow began to restart in those unconfident nether regions.
We just need a President (probably a Republican) to to come in and say, “look, SS and Medicare aren’t going away but we need to drastically cut and restructure these programs because the “benefit” they provide is not worth the country entering a debt spiral and ceasing to be the world hegemon.”
At some point, by hook or by crook, SS and Medicare will need to be cut. Whether it’s by a President who actually has the foresight to do what right, or forced austerity measures after the country goes bankrupt.
One thing is clear dems have no intention of moderating at all. In fact I think they have gone even further left since the elections.
He has been in office three months and you are predicting the economy will be in bad shape 3.5 years from now. Wow you must be an economist.
I don’t know what the economy will be like 3.5 years from now.
I know people voted for Trump largely because they thought he was pro-growth and anti inflation.
I don’t see how tariff wars deliver on that.
This all could have been avoided if the GOP had a spine and nominated Desantis. He would have won the general by double digits and none of the shit happening now would be happening. We would still have better border security and tariffs on poor partners. But none of the pointless chaos.
An equal but opposite reaction is likely to happen.
An equal but opposite reaction is likely to happen.
I think you’re right for Dems in general.
This thread is about Bernie Sanders and AOC. What you’re missing is that Bernie Sanders always has been and still is focused on the economy. Sanders had a huge following against Hillary, but things were still relatively traditional for Democrats at the time. Trump has now created a whole new political scene and it might just be that Bernie Sanders or his protégé, AOC, is right for this new political scene.
But the dem machine has already proven they will never let bernie win a primary. Look how they forced him out in 2020. Now they may let AOC win one given she checks several boxes they like.
That's the wrong way for the Democrats to go. You might be right about AOC running for President though. She's getting huge crowds out there.
We did not want him or we would have picked him it is really that simple. And the fact you think he would have won the general by double digits proves you know nothing at all about rust belt voters or general elections at all. Nobody is winning a general election by double digits. He would have lost all three blue wall states. which would have lost him the election. He does not appeal to rust belt voters.
Dems are leaning into progressives. Go woke
He didn’t win the Republican primary because Republicans are largely stupid. Like yourself for example.
That’s precisely why I qualified it as needing 35% base of the Democrats. That’s Trump‘s solution. In Trump‘s first primary, he wouldn’t have gotten the nomination if Republican primaries weren’t winner take all. If I’m not mistaken, the Democratic primaries are not win. Take all so that will make it more challenging for someone like AOC. In which case you might be right.
In any case, I’m not predicting anything here. I’m just playing the devil’s advocate to MCMs not particularly hot take that AOC will be nominated and lose.
Polling this far out is useless as it really is just name recognition, but a current poll has this:
21. [Q2028DemPrimary] If the 2028 Democratic presidential primary were being held today, for whom would you vote? [RANDOMIZE 1-18](n=449)Kamala Harris 28%
Cory Booker 11%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 7%
Tim Walz 5%Gavin Newsom 4%
Jasmine Crockett 3%
Josh Shapiro 3%
Gretchen Whitmer 3%
J.B. Pritzker 3%
Jon Stewart 3%
Wes Moore 2%
Andy Beshear 1%
Jared Polis 1%
John Fetterman 1%
Raphael Warnock 1%
Stephen A. Smith 1%
Chris Murphy 1%
Mark Cuban *%
Ruben Gallego *%
Someone else (Please specify) 2%
Unsure 12%
21. [Q2028DemPrimary] If the 2028 Democratic presidential primary were being held today, for whom would you vote? [RANDOMIZE 1-18](n=449)Kamala Harris 28%
Cory Booker 11%
Pete Buttigieg 7%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 7%
Tim Walz 5%Gavin Newsom 4%
Jasmine Crockett 3%
Josh Shapiro 3%
Gretchen Whitmer 3%
J.B. Pritzker 3%
Jon Stewart 3%
Wes Moore 2%
Andy Beshear 1%
Jared Polis 1%
John Fetterman 1%
Raphael Warnock 1%
Stephen A. Smith 1%
Chris Murphy 1%
Mark Cuban *%
Ruben Gallego *%
Someone else (Please specify) 2%
Unsure 12%
I think this is telling.
Ocasio-Cortez leads poll of Democrats on which leader ‘best reflects’ party’s ‘core values’
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) narrowly leads in a poll of Democrats on which political leader “best reflects” the “core values” of the party. In a CNN survey released Sunday, D…
thehill.com
I am not sure why dems continue to fully support losing positions. I guess it plays to the very liberal base in a primary but in a general forget it.
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Now the Republicans are Democrats and the Democrats are Marxists.
The left always wins.
Yeah the country moved left. My neighbors I always thought of as Dems. They’re not. They’re progressives. They like AOC and the rest. They have the signs the flags. They don’t want anything to do with Shapiro types
The loud and obnoxious minority faction of the Republican party wanted Trump and were motivated to vote for him in the primary. There is very little doubt that a DeSantis or Haley would have been more popular with more Americans (Trump is disliked by more than half of Americans) and that usually makes for a better Presidential candidate. Either almost certainly would have beaten Biden or Harris.
Disagree. Strongly. The majority of the Republican Party wanted trump and are maga. They do not want McCain Chaney bush etc. he’s been the nominee 3 times and won twice. At the end of this term it’ll be a quarter century since the old guard won anything . Hell harris should have run from the chaneys. No one wants or likes the old guard pubs. Country went way left as googly noted. Pubs are Dems and Dems are progressives
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I don’t know what to make of Shapiro. I’m not too engrossed in PA politics.
He’s not a bomb thrower, which I appreciate. Can construct a proper sentence, that’s always good.
He’s even carved out some good stances like school choice and lower corporate tax rates. He hasn’t followed through on any of them from what I’ve seen.
To me, he’s failed to stand up to Democrats in the Pennsylvania congress, I don’t know how we would expect him to do so to Democrats in the U.S. congress.
The Trump admin. is an anomaly if anything else. Strictest border patrol in 100 years. Tax cuts for all including corporations.
But we’re going to protect dying industries with tariffs. We buy into the idea of the wealth gap. And don’t even talk about entitlement spending.
I know you disagree but the polls at the time showed that only 40 percent of Republicans identified with MAGA. That did switch to 55 percent right before the election (the choice was Trump or Harris and Harris just didn't have it) and it's more now. However, Trump won the Primaries because his 40 percent was motivated to vote for him and the rest of the Republicans split their votes between the other candidates. Until they all dropped out the other candidates had more votes together than Trump had.
It's not necessarily "old guard pubs." That's not completely coming back. But whatever emerges after Trump isn't going to be a totally MAGA dominated party. That mind-set and many of those ideas like isolationism and tariffs, and all the chaos that comes from MAGA isn't going to win out. Many of their ideas are illogical and/or stupid, and the constant negativity, paranoia, anger and grievances just can't last. It's all too emotional.
