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The rise in the number of anti-vaxxers comes from the same place as the rise in the number of flat-earth dumbasses.

Stupidity + access to social media + misplaced distrust in "authority" in attempt to appear cutting edge - discernment.
“I’ve done the research.”
“Conspiracy theories aren’t a bad thing.”
“Why can’t things be this way? You need to keep an open mind.”

When will X/The Truth/Conspiracy happen/come out?: “it’s coming..just give it time.”

But how?: “Just wait.. it’s all in the works.”

I have to interact with two of these types every week. For some reason, they can never explain the benefits and details. It’s just going to be great and this is the “best time to be alive.”
 
“I’ve done the research.”
“Conspiracy theories aren’t a bad thing.”
“Why can’t things be this way? You need to keep an open mind.”

When will X/The Truth/Conspiracy happen/come out?: “it’s coming..just give it time.”

But how?: “Just wait.. it’s all in the works.”

I have to interact with two of these types every week. For some reason, they can never explain the benefits and details. It’s just going to be great and this is the “best time to be alive.”
I love the word research now. Anyone with a smart phone and Google can do “research” now
 
I thought you would never ask:

Step 1: Tell your clients when they 1st walk in I use to be a dumb shit lib.
Step 2: We made endless mistakes during Covid and the media lied to you. I'm sorry for all that.
Step 3: We are sorry for shutting down the economy and further destroying the middle/working classes.
Step 4: Put on your MAGA hat while they're in the room and ask if they want the measles vaccines then.
How would you have handled differently? I hate Trump more than any human alive but I would never blame him for the steps he took or didn't take. I really think everyone were doing their best given the information they had.

That was an unprecedented time in terms of an easy to spread disease and an era of international travel. I'm not sure we should have shut things down, but our healthcare system might have collapsed had we just let it run it's course.
 

This outbreak started in a Mennonite community in West Texas where there are low vaccination rates. Many of the children are homeschooled or attend smaller private schools, and many are unvaccinated.

This is not atypical for the larger outbreaks that we’ve seen in the United States in the recent past. In 2019, the U.S. saw 1,274 measles cases, including a large outbreak of slightly more than 900 cases in an Orthodox Jewish community in New York. In 2014, there was a measles outbreak of 383 cases in an Amish community in Ohio.
 
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How would you have handled differently? I hate Trump more than any human alive but I would never blame him for the steps he took or didn't take. I really think everyone were doing their best given the information they had.

That was an unprecedented time in terms of an easy to spread disease and an era of international travel. I'm not sure we should have shut things down, but our healthcare system might have collapsed had we just let it run it's course.
Like all things, I'd let individual humans decide what's best for themselves. Inform the public of the risks and allow them decide their risk tolerance.
 
Like all things, I'd let individual humans decide what's best for themselves. Inform the public of the risks and allow them decide their risk tolerance.
I have no way that know for sure and I'd love to hear from the doctors on this board, but I fear our hospitals would have nearly collapsed. I think slowing things may have helped.
 
Like all things, I'd let individual humans decide what's best for themselves. Inform the public of the risks and allow them decide their risk tolerance.
We live in an era of "experts" who do "research". Let's go ahead and apply this strategy to every facet of life.
 
I have no way that know for sure and I'd love to hear from the doctors on this board, but I fear our hospitals would have nearly collapsed. I think slowing things may have helped.
That was a poorly planned mess. And I don’t know the answer. Triage. Revisit profitability. But it played into the unwarranted hysteria.

Hospital icu services 350,000. Capacity is 25 beds. 22 in there for other shit. You want to have those beds filled or you don’t make money. 3 Covid patients admitted.

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HOSPITALS AT CAPACITY WITH COVID

Well. You admitted 3 with comorbidities in a community of 350k and the insane lefty pubs say shut it all down. Yet it is true there’s no more icu room. So if GMA is in a bad crash there’s problems. But it sounds sooooooo much worse than it is in reality

Covid highlights elements of our worthless gov that needs a chainsaw, questions how our healthcare system operates, etc
 
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That was a poorly planned mess. And I don’t know the answer. Triage. Revisit profitability. But it played into the unwarranted hysteria.

Hospital icu services 350,000. Capacity is 25 beds. 22 in there for other shit. You want to have those beds filled or you don’t make money. 3 Covid patients admitted.

Headline
HOSPITALS AT CAPACITY WITH COVID

Well. You admitted 3 with comorbidities in a community of 350k and the insane lefty pubs say shut it all down. Yet it is true there’s no more icu room. So if GMA is in a bad crash there’s problems. But it sounds sooooooo much worse than it is in reality

Covid highlights elements of our worthless gov that needs a chainsaw, questions how our healthcare system operates, etc
It was extremely disappointing how awful the media was during Covid. CNN was running the death scoreboard, telling everyone how bad Covid was, and shaming people who didn't obey the rules in April. Then Floyd got killed and Covid magically went away during the mostly peaceful BLM protests.
 
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It was extremely disappointing how awful the media was during Covid. CNN was running the death scoreboard, telling everyone how bad Covid was, and shaming people who didn't obey the rules in April. Then Floyd got killed and Covid magically went away during the mostly peaceful BLM protests.
The media is wayyyyyyy left. The flip on Covid during the riots was comical
 
Let me say it for the people in the back.

MEASLES IS NOT A DEADLY DISEASE.

Americans die every day from all manner of crazy causes. One of the least among them being measles’s. Don’t get the measles vax.

The vaccine theocrats coming in and claiming victory over measelss when no one was dying from measles to begin with is super funny. I guess they have to justify their jobs somehow.


Lol ....

 
What did they get wrong? Ivermectin did not work, yet antivaxxers turn to the same people that touted it


Masks? Social distancing?


Watch the Jay Battacharya interview Brad linked last week
 
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We should probably find traits that would define that population. My assumptions from general observations (and stuff my wife sees in mom groups) is they know little about vaccines, are more susceptible to misinformation, and found a group they could identify with and one that gives a false purpose.

I also see an overlap with this group and families who homeschool, then wonder why their kids are less socially adjusted and not as bright as kids who aren’t homeschooled.

And the internet and social media reinforces all of the misinformation as facts. Overall, people need to identify with something and this is their weird calling. I could use other adjectives but that’s not productive.

The ultra religious and fringe people (Menonites, Somalis) seem to be the ones most affected.
 
Article from 2019 on the anticipated return of the measles in the USA. Pre-COVID, indicating the problem really didn’t start with the hysteria over the COVID vaccines


Timeline:
1861: 67,000 Union Army troops in the Civil War were infected with measles, leading to 4,000 deaths. American Army surgeon J. J. Woodward described the festering measles outbreaks as “always serious, often fatal.” Overall, two-thirds of the 660,000 fatalities in the Civil War were attributable to infectious diseases.

1912-1922: Officials require all U.S. health care providers and laboratories to report diagnosed measles cases, creating the first somewhat reliable statistics at a national level. During the first decade of measurements, deaths from measles range from 4,700 to 14,500 per year.

1958: The U.S. experiences its highest-known number of measles cases in a single year — 763,094. The same year marks the first test of a measles vaccine, which occurs at a school for students with mental disabilities in Boston.

1963: The first measles vaccine is licenced, based on the work done by Enders and his colleagues. Measles cases in the U.S. drop 95 percent over the next five years, from 385,000 to 22,000.

1968: The modern measles vaccine is released by Merck.

1978: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention institute a program to eliminate measles in three years. It misses its goal, but reduces measles cases by 88 percent (3,000 cases in 1981)

2000: Measles is declared eliminated from the U.S., meaning continuous transmission of the disease has not occurred in the country for more than 12 months.

2025: The return of the Trumpian measles.

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Aside: death rates from measles was indeed pretty low by the 60s, but measles infections caused a LOT of problems:

-higher rates of miscarriage and stillborn births in infected pregnant women.
-hearing loss
-locomotor issues
-learning disabilities among those infected under 3
-encephalopathy
 
Article from 2019 on the anticipated return of the measles in the USA. Pre-COVID, indicating the problem really didn’t start with the hysteria over the COVID vaccines

Measles outbreaks hit fringe populations. Look at the numerous Somali outbreaks in Minnesota or Orthodox Jew outbreaks in NY state. Those with antiquated ways are part of the problem, not just in terms of culture, but also population health.

Are we to assume Gaines County is any different?
 
Measles outbreaks hit UNVACCINATED populations.

Are many of them "fringe"?

Sure, abject stupidity is fringe. But you are doing your part to change that.
 
Measles outbreaks hit UNVACCINATED populations.

Are many of them "fringe"?

Sure, abject stupidity is fringe. But you are doing your part to change that.

It's been how many years since you've graced us and you still can't figure out how to quote. And you want us to fund your research?

If those aren't the definition of fringe populations, then I don't know what are. These are religious and culturally different people from mainstream society. They choose not to believe in vaccinations, and likely, traditional medicine generally. If you want to banish these fringe groups from general societal interaction, I'd have no problem with it.
 
It's been how many years since you've graced us and you still can't figure out how to quote. And you want us to fund your research?

If those aren't the definition of fringe populations, then I don't know what are. These are religious and culturally different people from mainstream society. They choose not to believe in vaccinations, and likely, traditional medicine generally. If you want to banish these fringe groups from general societal interaction, I'd have no problem with it.
You are right.

The issue is going forward is how many of the maga "freedom warriors" will continue their politicization of vaxx joining the "fringe" anti vaxx crowd...because ...freedom and Fauci.
 
What are the backgrounds of the infected children, particularly the 11-year-old who was first hospitalized and unvaccinated?
The prevailing theory is that case #1 was a visiting foreign tourist. Most of the other 158 people infected, though, were not. Many were in fact locals from public schools in the Anaheim area, where vaccination "exceptions" had been freely approved and vaccination rates fell WELL BELOW the level needed for herd immunity (<5% unvaccinated needed, had ~25-35%).

Because of a policy change after that which made exceptions very hard to get, California was able to turn it around in the years following. Hopefully the Trump brain rot hasn't changed that, at least in CA.

 
You are right.

The issue is going forward is how many of the maga "freedom warriors" will continue their politicization of vaxx joining the "fringe" anti vaxx crowd...because ...freedom and Fauci.

I'm never rooting for harm to children because they have no say, particularly at that age. But, one does understand where Darwinism comes in.

I find it interesting that anti-vaxx is both a far left (granola, organic, anti-western medicine) and far right (extreme MAGA, ultra-religious). Reinforces the circular political continuum theory.

I think the bigger risk, which I haven't seen any risk in, is vaccine ineffectiveness. In other words, even if you contract Measles, if you got the MMR vaccine, it seems the symptoms are truly mild.
 
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