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A few of Dr King's words that speak to me rolled up to some personal values that I felt compelled to share on this forum. Have a blessed day everyone.

Do What’s Right
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Do Your Best
“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well. '”

Treat Others as You Would Like To Be Treated
“There is no exercise better for the heart than reaching down and lifting people up.” “When we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, everyone is blessed.” “You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.”



Please join me in remembering Dr. King for his work in making America a better nation and its people better citizens.
 
A few of Dr King's words that speak to me rolled up to some personal values that I felt compelled to share on this forum. Have a blessed day everyone.

Do What’s Right
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Do Your Best
“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well. '”

Treat Others as You Would Like To Be Treated
“There is no exercise better for the heart than reaching down and lifting people up.” “When we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, everyone is blessed.” “You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.”



Please join me in remembering Dr. King for his work in making America a better nation and its people better citizens.
Guy knew he was almost certainly going to experience a violent death but carried on. One of the most courageous and influential moral leaders in modern history. RIP.
 
A few of Dr King's words that speak to me rolled up to some personal values that I felt compelled to share on this forum. Have a blessed day everyone.

Do What’s Right
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Do Your Best
“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well. '”

Treat Others as You Would Like To Be Treated
“There is no exercise better for the heart than reaching down and lifting people up.” “When we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, everyone is blessed.” “You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.”



Please join me in remembering Dr. King for his work in making America a better nation and its people better citizens.
We should ask ourselves if we, as a society, really believe the message of his “I Have a Dream” speech? Did we ever believe in that?

Simultaneously with the height of MLK’s influence , we institutionalized racial classifications. SCOTUS developed the idea of “protected classes” of people. The bureaucracy which was charged with implementing and enforcing civil rights laws came up with racial classifications of people and required employers keep track of those classifications. Quotas and affirmative action as applied to disadvantaged groups became accepted without debate or questions. All of this together forced us into considering group skin color and ethnicity as more important than individual character or ability. Along came CRT, and White Fragility to cement the primacy of group aesthetics above individual character and ability.

SCOTUS now has under advisement a case that speaks to this issue. How important should group identification be in making decisions about human beings?

I don’t think MLK would approve of our race obsession.
 
Simultaneously with the height of MLK’s influence , we institutionalized racial classifications. SCOTUS developed the idea of “protected classes” of people. The bureaucracy which was charged with implementing and enforcing civil rights laws came up with racial classifications of people and required employers keep track of those classifications. Quotas and affirmative action as applied to disadvantaged groups became accepted without debate or questions. All of this together forced us into considering group skin color and ethnicity as more important than individual character or ability. Along came CRT, and White Fragility to cement the primacy of group aesthetics above individual character and ability.

Paying for sins usually isn't something where the sinner gets to determine the price. Yet, we did and this was/is our cost.

You may not believe systemic racism exists today but it certainly did for over 200 years in the US. Codified into laws via constitutions, legal treatises, and precedent.

Is this cost greater than our original sin?

As to the bolded part.....I would hope only that it pertains to our current situation and not the 50's or 60's. Without identifying blacks in America as a disadvantaged and less privileged class how were we to make the changes that needed making?
 
A few of Dr King's words that speak to me rolled up to some personal values that I felt compelled to share on this forum. Have a blessed day everyone.

Do What’s Right
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Do Your Best
“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well. '”

Treat Others as You Would Like To Be Treated
“There is no exercise better for the heart than reaching down and lifting people up.” “When we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, everyone is blessed.” “You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.”



Please join me in remembering Dr. King for his work in making America a better nation and its people better citizens.
 
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We should ask ourselves if we, as a society, really believe the message of his “I Have a Dream” speech? Did we ever believe in that?

Simultaneously with the height of MLK’s influence , we institutionalized racial classifications. SCOTUS developed the idea of “protected classes” of people. The bureaucracy which was charged with implementing and enforcing civil rights laws came up with racial classifications of people and required employers keep track of those classifications. Quotas and affirmative action as applied to disadvantaged groups became accepted without debate or questions. All of this together forced us into considering group skin color and ethnicity as more important than individual character or ability. Along came CRT, and White Fragility to cement the primacy of group aesthetics above individual character and ability.

SCOTUS now has under advisement a case that speaks to this issue. How important should group identification be in making decisions about human beings?

I don’t think MLK would approve of our race obsession.
It's impossible to fight discrimination - - in the workplace and elsewhere - - without identifying classifications of people who need protection. The Supreme Court didn't "develop the idea of protected classes." Congress did. You're obviously unfamiliar with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, including Title VII. You probably don't know that the EEOC was formed the following year to investigate charges of discrimination and to enforce employment-related civil rights statutes through litigation. King, in multiple speeches, stressed the importance of "equality of opportunity."

Yes, King dreamed of a day when people would be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. He knew that day was a long way off. It still is.

I think you, of all people, are in no position to suggest what King would or wouldn't approve of if he were alive today.
 
Paying for sins usually isn't something where the sinner gets to determine the price. Yet, we did and this was/is our cost.
That’s the point. Is our push cowards civil rights and equality intended to pay for sins, or is it intended to mutually move forward to a better future for all? Your post suggests there is too much emphasis on the payment part. I think at the grass roots level, the average person is much more tolerant than ever. The leadership in government. academia, and businesses won’t permit that to flourish.

You may not believe systemic racism exists today
I think systemic racism exists, but it is over stated. Another way to describe systemic racism is through a disparate impact analysis. Those situations are fewer and fewer. SCOTUS specifically rejected that analysis in voting, yet the Democrats continue to push it. One place where there is definitely systemic racism is education. The Democrats are hell-bent on continuing that, or in some cases making it worse with all the nonsense about good grammar and math being evidence of whiteness.

As to the bolded part.....I would hope only that it pertains to our current situation and not the 50's or 60's. Without identifying blacks in America as a disadvantaged and less privileged class how were we to make the changes that needed making?
The constitutional authority for federal civil rights legislation is the commerce clause. The economic disadvantages and underperformance among Blacks is a serious issue. I therefore supported preferences and set-asides as remedial measures. But we have lost sight of the economic issue and instead focus on skin color. This distinction is at the heart of the SCOTUS case about discrimination against Asians. Hopefully we will refocus on the real problem.

It's impossible to fight discrimination - - in the workplace and elsewhere - - without identifying classifications of people who need protection.
Needing protection is not the issue. That leads to the state of affairs we see today where we patronize minorities because we don’t expect them to excel. Instead we must focus on all the factors that cause the significant economic, social, educational, and other problems separating the races. While discrimination no doubt plays a role, it‘s not as big a role as the horrible conditions a black youngster, especially a black male, must cope with every day. Having DEI at our elite institutions or appointing a black female to visible government positions don’t cut it with the black teenagers shooting at each other every day.
Yes, King dreamed of a day when people would be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. He knew that day was a long way off. It still is.
Not only is it a long way off, it has been erased from our minds with nonsense like we see every day from our leadership.
I think you, of all people, are in no position to suggest what King would or wouldn't approve of if he were alive today.
I could be wrong about Dr. King, but you have not made the case that I am. Maybe you should counter my argument with a substantive argument about how MLK would support CRT, or take the side of the academics in the pending case.
 
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I think systemic racism exists, but it is over stated. Another way to describe systemic racism is through a disparate impact analysis. Those situations are fewer and fewer. SCOTUS specifically rejected that analysis in voting, yet the Democrats continue to push it. One place where there is definitely systemic racism is education. The Democrats are hell-bent on continuing that, or in some cases making it worse with all the nonsense about good gra

One has to be impressed with how you can make any thread into "Democrats suck". It is an amazing talent. Can we pin a generic Democrats suck thread as a catch-all?
 
One has to be impressed with how you can make any thread into "Democrats suck". It is an amazing talent. Can we pin a generic Democrats suck thread as a catch-all?
I don’t think that’s at all impressive. With poor education, millions of illegal migrants overrunning public housing and shelters, with horrible crime, with increasingly racial separation, pronoun politics, and with energy shortages the Democrats present a very easy target-enrich environment.
 
I don’t think that’s at all impressive. With poor education, millions of illegal migrants overrunning public housing and shelters, with horrible crime, with increasingly racial separation, pronoun politics, and with energy shortages the Democrats present a very easy target-enrich environment.

Someone has said smart people talk issues, dumb people talk about people. Aren't Democrats a group of people? So someone talking about them all the time would be ... ?
 
A few of Dr King's words that speak to me rolled up to some personal values that I felt compelled to share on this forum. Have a blessed day everyone.

Do What’s Right
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Do Your Best
“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well. '”

Treat Others as You Would Like To Be Treated
“There is no exercise better for the heart than reaching down and lifting people up.” “When we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, everyone is blessed.” “You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.”



Please join me in remembering Dr. King for his work in making America a better nation and its people better citizens.
MLK said a lot of things, not just a single speech. Some in this thread seem to be unaware that he was pretty much a radical. In fact he may have been the earliest Democratic Socialist...

Early on (1952) a letter to his soon to be wife Coretta Scott...

I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.

From 1966...

[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” – Speech to his staff, 1966

"We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”- Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.

CoH thinks he knows MLK...

"I could be wrong about Dr. King, but you have not made the case that I am. Maybe you should counter my argument with a substantive argument about how MLK would support CRT, or take the side of the academics in the pending case."

Pretty sure he'd disagree with your dismissal of systemic racism...

The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.” – Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.

He also advocated in favor of guaranteed income as a means to abolish poverty. And in case people want to argue that he renounced these beliefs later on, he said this 2 weeks before he was murdered...

If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.” – Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.

 
Someone has said smart people talk issues, dumb people talk about people. Aren't Democrats a group of people? So someone talking about them all the time would be ... ?
I said democrats are continuing to argue disparate impact in voting rights cases. If you want to defend that I’m all ears. The Democratic Central Committee was a party to the relevant case and never accepted the outcome.
 
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I said democrats are continuing to argue disparate impact in voting rights cases. If you want to defend that I’m all ears. The Democratic Central Committee was a party to the relevant case and never accepted the outcome.
Thread starter "here are some great ideas from King" and you convert it to "here is haw Democrats have screwed that up". Nope, not playing your game. King wasn't perfect, no one is, but he did some great things at a time we needed great things to be done.

An 18- year old Asian student was getting off a bus downtown last week, a 50 year old woman started hitting her in the back of the head. The driver opened the doors, the young lady fell out and the older woman took off. When the younger woman got to the hospital, the doctors discovered she was not being hit, she was being stabbed in the head. The bus camera showed the two had no interactions on the bus. When caught, the woman said she wanted to kill the Asian student so there would be one less terrorist bomber in the US.

I think Reverend King would not approve of that action.
 
MLK said a lot of things, not just a single speech. Some in this thread seem to be unaware that he was pretty much a radical. In fact he may have been the earliest Democratic Socialist...

Early on (1952) a letter to his soon to be wife Coretta Scott...

I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.

From 1966...

[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” – Speech to his staff, 1966

"We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”- Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.

CoH thinks he knows MLK...

"I could be wrong about Dr. King, but you have not made the case that I am. Maybe you should counter my argument with a substantive argument about how MLK would support CRT, or take the side of the academics in the pending case."

Pretty sure he'd disagree with your dismissal of systemic racism...

The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.” – Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.

He also advocated in favor of guaranteed income as a means to abolish poverty. And in case people want to argue that he renounced these beliefs later on, he said this 2 weeks before he was murdered...

If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.” – Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.

The most recent MLK quote is 56 years old. Some of the conditions about which he spoke were more than 70 years ago. You act as if nothing has changed. A lot has. MLK is responsible for some of the change. The Civil Rights Acts came along as did the Voting Rights Acts, and much more. There were massive economic reasons for change. In case you missed it, I wrote approvingly if preferences and set asides. But despite all these changes, blak education is a disgrace. Black violence is a disgrace. Black crime is a disgrace. And more.

What hasn’t changed is the importance of individual self respect and individual desire to achieve and have a purposeful life. These character traits are more important than skin color. The so-called leaders of racial politics (largely leftists and Democrats) are systematically stripping that away because of “whiteness” or something.

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Thread starter "here are some great ideas from King" and you convert it to "here is haw Democrats have screwed that up". Nope, not playing your game. King wasn't perfect, no one is, but he did some great things at a time we needed great things to be done.

An 18- year old Asian student was getting off a bus downtown last week, a 50 year old woman started hitting her in the back of the head. The driver opened the doors, the young lady fell out and the older woman took off. When the younger woman got to the hospital, the doctors discovered she was not being hit, she was being stabbed in the head. The bus camera showed the two had no interactions on the bus. When caught, the woman said she wanted to kill the Asian student so there would be one less terrorist bomber in the US.

I think Reverend King would not approve of that action.
Agreed. Believing that belonging to a racial group is more predictive of individual behavior than individual character is always wrong.
 
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Or @stollcpa

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Yeah, you're probably right.
I just thought that maybe a thread commemorating MLK on MLK day had run its course when it had devolved into nothing but the usual political hackery that exists here. I mean, hell, there's plenty of other threads for you non-mental meeklings and multi-thinkers to tell us how we are destroying this country, right? I guess I was stupid for hoping this one didn't go that route.
Oh well, I guess I need to go back and reread this thread to find out what MLK really meant and stood for...as explained by COH and others.
Thanks for the advice.
 
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Yeah, you're probably right.
I just thought that maybe a thread commemorating MLK on MLK day had run its course when it had devolved into nothing but the usual political hackery that exists here. I mean, hell, there's plenty of other threads for you non-mental meeklings and multi-thinkers to tell us how we are destroying this country, right? I guess I was stupid for hoping this one didn't go that route.
Oh well, I guess I need to go back and reread this thread to find out what MLK really meant and stood for...as explained by COH and others.
Thanks for the advice.
Politics and Race. This is a 300 level course at COH U
 
Yeah, you're probably right.
I just thought that maybe a thread commemorating MLK on MLK day had run its course when it had devolved into nothing but the usual political hackery that exists here. I mean, hell, there's plenty of other threads for you non-mental meeklings and multi-thinkers to tell us how we are destroying this country, right? I guess I was stupid for hoping this one didn't go that route.
Oh well, I guess I need to go back and reread this thread to find out what MLK really meant and stood for...as explained by COH and others.
Thanks for the advice.

Measuring one by one's "content of character" is considered a racist idea by some.
 
Agreed. Believing that belonging to a racial group is more predictive of individual behavior than individual character is always wrong.
So you are an anti-racist. Just merely ignoring racism can be construed as allowing the idea of belonging to a group determining who they are. So you have no problem correcting people who are racist in any and all circumstances. Because some Americans aren't getting the message that individuals should be judged individually.


Below is a poll on attitudes toward Blacks:

The GSS asks whether African Americans are worse off economically “because most just don't have the motivation or will power to pull themselves up out of poverty?”​


Tell me, are those 55% of Republicans seeing Blacks as individuals or as a group? I think it is clear 55% of White Republicans are seeing a group and not individuals.
 
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Hahahahah it looks like a big horse cock. but if you look on the video it's actually pretty cool. just need the right angle. statues are difficult....
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Seriously you would have thought they could have come up with something better.
 
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