Miller knows what to do

[SuperHoosierFan]

Fred is a dead man walking next year with crappy results on the gridiron and hardwood. How many appearances at the plate and strikeouts does the guy get on coaching hires before someone on the BOT steps in and brings the hammer down?

An AD at any other university wouldn’t survive so many swings and whiffs. A school that places a premium on winning wouldn’t allow it at all.

I agree about the basketball part, but will anyone really notice if IU football is bad? That’s like being surprised the sun came up.

 

[bailey777]

I actually agree. I really like what he's attempting to do on defense and offense and his recruits will perform much better. An internal struggle was evident with it seamingly costing us many games in a row. An undermining of coach rather than the inability of coach, seemed to be playing out. Senior night speeches were extremely telling. By behavior alone, one player stands out as a problematic cancer. Here's hoping he transfers.

I know who you are talking about but I also hope another bench player leaves.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I agree about the basketball part, but will anyone really notice if IU football is bad? That’s like being surprised the sun came up.

There are plenty of schools out there that succeed at both and the fact that IU hasn’t figured it out shows that it is caught in some time warp that thinks you are only allowed to succeed in one sport.

Hell, UK went 10-3 in football this year and are on the verge of a Final Four.
Duke goes to bowls and they play in a glorified high school stadium.

If you don’t demand success in both, you might as well drop sports or move on to a lower division. Maybe that’s what IU should do since it obviously doesn’t place a premium on the success of its major sports teams?

 

[bailey777]

There are plenty of schools out there that succeed at both and the fact that IU hasn’t figured it out shows that it is caught in some time warp that thinks you are only allowed to succeed in one sport.

Hell, UK went 10-3 in football this year and are on the verge of a Final Four.
Duke goes to bowls and they play in a glorified high school stadium.

If you don’t demand success in both, you might as well drop sports or move on to a lower division. Maybe that’s what IU should do since it obviously doesn’t place a premium on the success of its major sports teams?

Heck Minnesota football turned it around this year and they only fill up half the stadium. IU athletics just does not demand success but the fans are the fools who keep going.

I mean what does Fred care assembly hall is filled to the raftors.

 

[ams66]

If it was solely up to Fred he would get two more years but as others have said the BOT and boosters are not letting another crean situation happen. If archie has a bad year next season I think the decision is out of Fred's hands.

The same boosters who have continued to pour money into IU athletics at unprecedented levels? The same BOT who approved using BTN money to fund the international school?

 

[UncleMark]

I agree about the basketball part, but will anyone really notice if IU football is bad? That’s like being surprised the sun came up.

Allen appears to be building the program for long term sustained success, (for some measure of success). If he pulls that off and gets IU football to a respectable level, Glass should get credit for identifying and hiring the "up and coming" coach he had right in front of him, despite all the second guessing. Time will tell.

The Glass haters won't like it, but I'll be happy with any football success we can manage.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

There are plenty of schools out there that succeed at both and the fact that IU hasn’t figured it out shows that it is caught in some time warp that thinks you are only allowed to succeed in one sport.

Hell, UK went 10-3 in football this year and are on the verge of a Final Four.
Duke goes to bowls and they play in a glorified high school stadium.

If you don’t demand success in both, you might as well drop sports or move on to a lower division. Maybe that’s what IU should do since it obviously doesn’t place a premium on the success of its major sports teams?

I’m not saying we can’t or shouldn’t succeed in football, I’m just saying it’s not big news if we’re bad. We haven’t been good for ~50 years.

 

[oldcougar77]

In regards to your 3rd point, the patience of the fan base is extremely thin (bordering on non-existent) after 9 years of shitty Crean ball. In any other reality, Archie would get four years minimum, but I think if next season is either as bad as this season, or only marginally better (whatever the reason), I wouldn’t be surprised if he was let go. I think the outcry of the fan base will be too hard to ignore.

The fan base that those of you in the "fire Archie" crowd think you have the pulse of is in reality just the dozen or so of you on this board who keep sniffing each other's asses.

The vast majority of fans, and those that really matter, know he's building a successful program. People who understand basketball certainly do. So do the boosters. So does the BOT. Archie's in no trouble with those who are the "deciders".

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This message board is a place of free exchange. Even the hysterical like go_iu and fpeaugh are free to weigh in with their ignorant rants. But those of you who have already decided that Archie needs to go are going to be mighty disappointed if you think he will be out next year.

Personally, I'll be very surprised if IU doesn't make the tourney next year because I think there will be improvement, just as there has been since day 1. Barring the spate of injuries, we would have been in the tournament this year despite the lack of talent. We won 8 games in the B1G with a talent-deficient, injury-riddled roster, that probably should have won 3. We had less physical talent on this roster (when factoring in who was physically able to play in those games) than any other team in the conference. That's really hard for a lot of people to accept, but it's the truth.

Archie and IU will be fine. Those of you thinking there is another coach out there who could have done more with this team are delusional. If Archie can't improve the roster, he needs to go. But he did a damn good job with what he had available this year. If you don't see that, I can't help you.

 

[PranksterMary]

The fan base that those of you in the "fire Archie" crowd think you have the pulse of is in reality just the dozen or so of you on this board who keep sniffing each other's asses.

The vast majority of fans, and those that really matter, know he's building a successful program. People who understand basketball certainly do. So do the boosters. So does the BOT. Archie's in no trouble with those who are the "deciders".

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This message board is a place of free exchange. Even the hysterical like go_iu and fpeaugh are free to weigh in with their ignorant rants. But those of you who have already decided that Archie needs to go are going to be mighty disappointed if you think he will be out next year.

Personally, I'll be very surprised if IU doesn't make the tourney next year because I think there will be improvement, just as there has been since day 1. Barring the spate of injuries, we would have been in the tournament this year despite the lack of talent. We won 8 games in the B1G with a talent-deficient, injury-riddled roster, that probably should have won 3. We had less physical talent on this roster (when factoring in who was physically able to play in those games) than any other team in the conference. That's really hard for a lot of people to accept, but it's the truth.

Archie and IU will be fine. Those of you thinking there is another coach out there who could have done more with this team are delusional. If Archie can't improve the roster, he needs to go. But he did a damn good job with what he had available this year. If you don't see that, I can't help you.

The vast majority of the IU fan base said the exact same things about Tom Crean. They were just as complimentary, just as effusive in their praise, just as intolerant of critics, and just as certain of their conclusions. Until they weren’t. I’m sure you were one of them, at least until you weren’t.

Miller has two more years. But the patience pumpers, true believers and hoops savants aren’t the least bit convincing, since the vast majority sold the same fertilizer previously.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Rational people know that it takes more than two seasons and one recruiting class to turn this around. Especially when the second season is so disrupted with injuries. There is a difference between excuses and legitimate reasons teams do not meet expectations. Rational people also understand that making absolute declarations about the likely success or failure of next year's season less than a week after the conclusion of the current one is nothing short of stupid.

Excellent post.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

The fan base that those of you in the "fire Archie" crowd think you have the pulse of is in reality just the dozen or so of you on this board who keep sniffing each other's asses.

The vast majority of fans, and those that really matter, know he's building a successful program. People who understand basketball certainly do. So do the boosters. So does the BOT. Archie's in no trouble with those who are the "deciders".

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This message board is a place of free exchange. Even the hysterical like go_iu and fpeaugh are free to weigh in with their ignorant rants. But those of you who have already decided that Archie needs to go are going to be mighty disappointed if you think he will be out next year.

Personally, I'll be very surprised if IU doesn't make the tourney next year because I think there will be improvement, just as there has been since day 1. Barring the spate of injuries, we would have been in the tournament this year despite the lack of talent. We won 8 games in the B1G with a talent-deficient, injury-riddled roster, that probably should have won 3. We had less physical talent on this roster (when factoring in who was physically able to play in those games) than any other team in the conference. That's really hard for a lot of people to accept, but it's the truth.

Archie and IU will be fine. Those of you thinking there is another coach out there who could have done more with this team are delusional. If Archie can't improve the roster, he needs to go. But he did a damn good job with what he had available this year. If you don't see that, I can't help you.

I don’t know who you meant to reply to, but it sure as hell wasn’t me. I don’t want Archie fired. What I can tell you is there is a lot of frustration out there and a lack of patience. I can’t speak for the “vast majority” of fans that you so obviously can (because it’s clear you know all of them). If it were up to me, I’d give Archie 4 years minimum. I think Archie did a good job considering all the shit that happened this season. I don’t think it’s fair to Archie and I blame the admin for making us all put up with Crean for too long.

 

[Stuffshot]

He is coaching for his job next year.

Actually, I think it far more likely that you are coaching for his job next year. Think about it.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

I don’t know who you meant to reply to, but it sure as hell wasn’t me. I don’t want Archie fired. What I can tell you is there is a lot of frustration out there and a lack of patience. I can’t speak for the “vast majority” of fans that you so obviously can (because it’s clear you know all of them). If it were up to me, I’d give Archie 4 years minimum. I think Archie did a good job considering all the shit that happened this season. I don’t think it’s fair to Archie and I blame the admin for making us all put up with Crean for too long.

And some of the “shit” that happened this year was because Archie didn’t know how to effectively manage a dysfunctional locker room. You land the best player (supposedly) in the state and then give him a free pass to stand around with his thumb up his ass out there, you deserve criticism.

It’s Archie’s job to build the chemistry.
Kids on the bench rolling their eyes at the staff, fights over girlfriends off the court, never pushing your star recruit by holding him accountable?

What exactly is Archie’s job? High paid field trip chaperone?

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

And some of the “shit” that happened this year was because Archie didn’t know how to effectively manage a dysfunctional locker room. You land the best player (supposedly) in the state and then give him a free pass to stand around with his thumb up his ass out there, you deserve criticism.

It’s Archie’s job to build the chemistry.
Kids on the bench rolling their eyes at the staff, fights over girlfriends off the court, never pushing your star recruit by holding him accountable?

What exactly is Archie’s job? High paid field trip chaperone?

Since you were in the locker room, please tell us all what happened. I’ve thought for a while something happened, I’m just not sure what. Do tell.

 

[ams66]

What exactly is Archie’s job

Settling girlfriend squabbles between players? I don't think it's that. Locker room chemistry issues fall mainly to the team captains to set the tone and expectations.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Since you were in the locker room, please tell us all what happened. I’ve thought for a while something happened, I’m just not sure what. Do tell.

Love triangle.
2 players, one girl. Jealousy and all the stuff that make up an episode of “Keeping Up Wth The Kardashians.” You can guess the names. Won’t say them.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

Every coach is coaching for his job every year. Will Wade had a pretty good season and he's going to be fired. The question is " what would get me fired ?".

Barring a Bryce Drew collapse, Archie gets two more years, minimum. The standard advocated for by some of the hysterical haters here is not the same as that applied by rational folks who understand the situation and understand the game enough to see the improvement. Fortunately, the decisions are made by rational people and not by the ranting, raving maniacs who are so prominent here.

The hyper-emotional rage about Archie's ineptitude and the calling for his head (either this year or next) is just pissing in the wind and screaming into a cave to hear the echo. It isn't going to happen. The only thing it accomplishes is the trashing of thread after thread and the obliteration of any possible civil discussion of IU basketball.

The eight teams left in the NCAAT have two things in common. They play excellent half-court defense and they have multiple players who can score - including at least two who are deadly three-point shooters. Under Archie Miller, IU has proven it can defend as well as anybody, particularly given the lack of size on the roster. Either we will be able to recruit better shooters and improve the shooting of the kids we already have, or we will remain where we are currently.

Anyone who followed this program while Tom Crean was coaching here knows what Archie Miller walked into. Rational people know that it takes more than two seasons and one recruiting class to turn this around. Especially when the second season is so disrupted with injuries. There is a difference between excuses and legitimate reasons teams do not meet expectations. Rational people also understand that making absolute declarations about the likely success or failure of next year's season less than a week after the conclusion of the current one is nothing short of stupid.

Some of them didn't even wait until the end of this season to declare next season a failure. Playing the games isn't necessary for them.

 

[snarlcakes]

Personally, I'll be very surprised if IU doesn't make the tourney next year because I think there will be improvement, just as there has been since day 1. Barring the spate of injuries, we would have been in the tournament this year despite the lack of talent. We won 8 games in the B1G with a talent-deficient, injury-riddled roster, that probably should have won 3. We had less physical talent on this roster (when factoring in who was physically able to play in those games) than any other team in the conference. That's really hard for a lot of people to accept, but it's the truth.

Archie and IU will be fine. Those of you thinking there is another coach out there who could have done more with this team are delusional. If Archie can't improve the roster, he needs to go. But he did a damn good job with what he had available this year. If you don't see that, I can't help you.

Congrats on posting the dumbest thing I have read on here. I apologize if you were trying to be funny.

 

[Steeler31]

Love triangle.
2 players, one girl. Jealousy and all the stuff that make up an episode of “Keeping Up Wth The Kardashians.” You can guess the names. Won’t say them.

Ya, what a freaking mess. At least one of them will be gone. That's something I hadn't anticipated happening, and I'm sure it was a shit situation for Archie, big learning season for sure.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

Love triangle.
2 players, one girl. Jealousy and all the stuff that make up an episode of “Keeping Up Wth The Kardashians.” You can guess the names. Won’t say them.

Now the coach is a relationship counselor? Go ahead, name them. The mods here won’t give a shit.

 

[Steeler31]

Now the coach is a relationship counselor? Go ahead, name them. The mods here won’t give a shit.

Gonna come out anyway. Apparently Romeo was banging Rob's girl which led to Green taking a swing at Romeo.

 

[madtownhoosier]

The fan base that those of you in the "fire Archie" crowd think you have the pulse of is in reality just the dozen or so of you on this board who keep sniffing each other's asses.

The vast majority of fans, and those that really matter, know he's building a successful program. People who understand basketball certainly do. So do the boosters. So does the BOT. Archie's in no trouble with those who are the "deciders".

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This message board is a place of free exchange. Even the hysterical like go_iu and fpeaugh are free to weigh in with their ignorant rants. But those of you who have already decided that Archie needs to go are going to be mighty disappointed if you think he will be out next year.

Personally, I'll be very surprised if IU doesn't make the tourney next year because I think there will be improvement, just as there has been since day 1. Barring the spate of injuries, we would have been in the tournament this year despite the lack of talent. We won 8 games in the B1G with a talent-deficient, injury-riddled roster, that probably should have won 3. We had less physical talent on this roster (when factoring in who was physically able to play in those games) than any other team in the conference. That's really hard for a lot of people to accept, but it's the truth.

Archie and IU will be fine. Those of you thinking there is another coach out there who could have done more with this team are delusional. If Archie can't improve the roster, he needs to go. But he did a damn good job with what he had available this year. If you don't see that, I can't help you.

Oh my, the first logical post in this thread. I agree 110% with you oldcougar77.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

Gonna come out anyway. Apparently Romeo was banging Rob's girl which led to Green taking a swing at Romeo.

Good for Green. And who the fvck bangs their teammate’s girl? If true, total fvcking dick move. If your teammate’s girl is gonna whore around, don’t let it be with you. It’s not like there’s a shortage of hot chicks willing to jump on an IU player’s dick. They don’t exactly have to go around begging women.

 

[Upset Alert]

Anyone who followed this program while Tom Crean was coaching here knows what Archie Miller walked into. Rational people know that it takes more than two seasons and one recruiting class to turn this around.

Are you serious? Name me one poster who didn't predict or expect an NCAA tourney appearance this season. Everyone, including the outside experts had us in the dance, and at least one source saying IU was " a sleeper team" to watch out for. Talk about revising history. Methinks you accept mediocrity too much and have all the excuses on a laminated card in your back pocket for reference.

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
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