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Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!
 
Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!
He has had one recruiting class. Archie has to understand the weaknesses and holes: it is his job. We will see how it shakes out. Recruiting isn't finished this year.
 
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He recruited 6 of the players that are scheduled to return. It's not pretty.


Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!
 
Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!

Pace yourself. It’s to early to be sh#tfaced on a Friday. On, second thought, keep partying.
 
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Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!
At 3.5 million a year I would hope the guy wants to win! It is his job to win and he is paid alot of money to do it. He needs to turn this around fast or he will be out of a job.
 
He recruited 6 of the players that are scheduled to return. It's not pretty.


Archie has to make the tourney next year or he may very well be out of a job. This is out Fred's hands after his Crean extension debacle. The BOT and boosters will decide his Arhies future.
 
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I thought this thread would be about pulling a Steve Alford, acknowledge that youve done a poor job, return some money to the university, and recognize improvement must happen quickly from the coaching staff, starting w the Head Coach.
 
Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!
There’s absolutely zero evidence to support your claim that he knows what he’s doing. It’s purely blind hope at this point.
 
Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Really! I know he's good at explaining losses … most coaches don't get the change to explain away 12-13 while winning the lone one against MSU … I'm calling BS here
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When Archie took the job wasn’t he instructed by Fred to try and keep the roster how it was?

Yes, because Fred was so incompetent he ignored the APR issues under Crean. The APR situation was so dire Archie could not afford to have many transfers.
 
no. he decided to keep crean's recruits. what do you want him to do, leave the roster partially empty and unbalanced?
No, you take walk on's, of which there are tons at the HYPR, let alone across Indiana. What you don't do is fill the roster with guys that don't fit you system, won't develop, you will need to push out eventually. That is bad decision making, and some one that is paid that much should be making good basketball decisions
 
No, you take walk on's, of which there are tons at the HYPR, let alone across Indiana. What you don't do is fill the roster with guys that don't fit you system, won't develop, you will need to push out eventually. That is bad decision making, and some one that is paid that much should be making good basketball decisions
walk ons. lol
 
No, you take walk on's, .........

That doesn't help the APR plus if you think this year's team was bad, imagine what it be if half the team was walk-ons. Archie was pretty much between a rock & a hard spot.
 
He is coaching for his job next year.
Every coach is coaching for his job every year. Will Wade had a pretty good season and he's going to be fired. The question is " what would get me fired ?".

Barring a Bryce Drew collapse, Archie gets two more years, minimum. The standard advocated for by some of the hysterical haters here is not the same as that applied by rational folks who understand the situation and understand the game enough to see the improvement. Fortunately, the decisions are made by rational people and not by the ranting, raving maniacs who are so prominent here.

The hyper-emotional rage about Archie's ineptitude and the calling for his head (either this year or next) is just pissing in the wind and screaming into a cave to hear the echo. It isn't going to happen. The only thing it accomplishes is the trashing of thread after thread and the obliteration of any possible civil discussion of IU basketball.

The eight teams left in the NCAAT have two things in common. They play excellent half-court defense and they have multiple players who can score - including at least two who are deadly three-point shooters. Under Archie Miller, IU has proven it can defend as well as anybody, particularly given the lack of size on the roster. Either we will be able to recruit better shooters and improve the shooting of the kids we already have, or we will remain where we are currently.

Anyone who followed this program while Tom Crean was coaching here knows what Archie Miller walked into. Rational people know that it takes more than two seasons and one recruiting class to turn this around. Especially when the second season is so disrupted with injuries. There is a difference between excuses and legitimate reasons teams do not meet expectations. Rational people also understand that making absolute declarations about the likely success or failure of next year's season less than a week after the conclusion of the current one is nothing short of stupid.
 
Every coach is coaching for his job every year. Will Wade had a pretty good season and he's going to be fired. The question is " what would get me fired ?".

Barring a Bryce Drew collapse, Archie gets two more years, minimum. The standard advocated for by some of the hysterical haters here is not the same as that applied by rational folks who understand the situation and understand the game enough to see the improvement. Fortunately, the decisions are made by rational people and not by the ranting, raving maniacs who are so prominent here.

The hyper-emotional rage about Archie's ineptitude and the calling for his head (either this year or next) is just pissing in the wind and screaming into a cave to hear the echo. It isn't going to happen. The only thing it accomplishes is the trashing of thread after thread and the obliteration of any possible civil discussion of IU basketball.

The eight teams left in the NCAAT have two things in common. They play excellent half-court defense and they have multiple players who can score - including at least two who are deadly three-point shooters. Under Archie Miller, IU has proven it can defend as well as anybody, particularly given the lack of size on the roster. Either we will be able to recruit better shooters and improve the shooting of the kids we already have, or we will remain where we are currently.

Anyone who followed this program while Tom Crean was coaching here knows what Archie Miller walked into. Rational people know that it takes more than two seasons and one recruiting class to turn this around. Especially when the second season is so disrupted with injuries. There is a difference between excuses and legitimate reasons teams do not meet expectations. Rational people also understand that making absolute declarations about the likely success or failure of next year's season less than a week after the conclusion of the current one is nothing short of stupid.
1. IU under Miller can defend as well as anybody? No, they can’t, and they haven’t. They’re better, but the hyperbolic view doesn’t wash with reality. Ask a basketball person;
2. Is Fred Glass one of those rational people who gets to decide? The AD with no experience at his job, with ample evidence that inexperience is a predictor of the poor results achieved under his watch? The same Glass who thought Crean was the right coach for IU? Heaven help us if he’s what passes for rational;
3. I agree that Miller has at least two more years, and probably more, even if he doesn’t finish in the top half of the Big Ten and / or make the tournament. IU will happily keep him at least that long.
 
1. IU under Miller can defend as well as anybody? No, they can’t, and they haven’t. They’re better, but the hyperbolic view doesn’t wash with reality. Ask a basketball person;
2. Is Fred Glass one of those rational people who gets to decide? The AD with no experience at his job, with ample evidence that inexperience is a predictor of the poor results achieved under his watch? The same Glass who thought Crean was the right coach for IU? Heaven help us if he’s what passes for rational;
3. I agree that Miller has at least two more years, and probably more, even if he doesn’t finish in the top half of the Big Ten and / or make the tournament. IU will happily keep him at least that long.

In regards to your 3rd point, the patience of the fan base is extremely thin (bordering on non-existent) after 9 years of shitty Crean ball. In any other reality, Archie would get four years minimum, but I think if next season is either as bad as this season, or only marginally better (whatever the reason), I wouldn’t be surprised if he was let go. I think the outcry of the fan base will be too hard to ignore.
 
In regards to your 3rd point, the patience of the fan base is extremely thin (bordering on non-existent) after 9 years of shitty Crean ball. In any other reality, Archie would get four years minimum, but I think if next season is either as bad as this season, or only marginally better (whatever the reason), I wouldn’t be surprised if he was let go. I think the outcry of the fan base will be too hard to ignore.
I agree. Doesn't matter if it's fair or not..You have to win NOW...
 
In regards to your 3rd point, the patience of the fan base is extremely thin (bordering on non-existent) after 9 years of shitty Crean ball. In any other reality, Archie would get four years minimum, but I think if next season is either as bad as this season, or only marginally better (whatever the reason), I wouldn’t be surprised if he was let go. I think the outcry of the fan base will be too hard to ignore.

I laugh when people say he has at least two more years like they have inside information. Maybe pre crean era he would have but the patience of a ton of fans and I think boosters has worn so thin after 15 years of this you need to win now. At a minimum he has the make the tourney next year or his job is in serious jepordy.

You can only ask a fan base to be patient so many times over and over again. IMO he is coaching for his job next year.
 
1. IU under Miller can defend as well as anybody? No, they can’t, and they haven’t. They’re better, but the hyperbolic view doesn’t wash with reality. Ask a basketball person;
2. Is Fred Glass one of those rational people who gets to decide? The AD with no experience at his job, with ample evidence that inexperience is a predictor of the poor results achieved under his watch? The same Glass who thought Crean was the right coach for IU? Heaven help us if he’s what passes for rational;
3. I agree that Miller has at least two more years, and probably more, even if he doesn’t finish in the top half of the Big Ten and / or make the tournament. IU will happily keep him at least that long.

If it was solely up to Fred he would get two more years but as others have said the BOT and boosters are not letting another crean situation happen. If archie has a bad year next season I think the decision is out of Fred's hands.
 
Archie Miller knows what to do. The moves are happening. Sit back and watch.
CAM wants to win as bad or worse than any fan/alumni. We don't need a new coach. We have one. He has handled a bunch of shit this year quietly. It'll come out but he didn't play things out in public. Very good sign of a guy with integrity and strength. Just what we need. We need an updated roster too and we're going to get it!
Go Hoosiers!
I actually agree. I really like what he's attempting to do on defense and offense and his recruits will perform much better. An internal struggle was evident with it seamingly costing us many games in a row. An undermining of coach rather than the inability of coach, seemed to be playing out. Senior night speeches were extremely telling. By behavior alone, one player stands out as a problematic cancer. Here's hoping he transfers.
 
If it was solely up to Fred he would get two more years but as others have said the BOT and boosters are not letting another crean situation happen. If archie has a bad year next season I think the decision is out of Fred's hands.

Fred is a dead man walking next year with crappy results on the gridiron and hardwood. How many appearances at the plate and strikeouts does the guy get on coaching hires before someone on the BOT steps in and brings the hammer down?

An AD at any other university wouldn’t survive so many swings and whiffs. A school that places a premium on winning wouldn’t allow it at all.
 
I laugh when people say he has at least two more years like they have inside information. Maybe pre crean era he would have but the patience of a ton of fans and I think boosters has worn so thin after 15 years of this you need to win now. At a minimum he has the make the tourney next year or his job is in serious jepordy.

You can only ask a fan base to be patient so many times over and over again. IMO he is coaching for his job next year.

Agreed.
 
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