and it appears we will pass him up to hire a d2 guy. Unreal
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The mccollum love is something. People have convinced themselves a D2 is going to just walk right in and win big.
What makes Brownell a candidate? Chatter on a website? Tweets from various self appointed experts? Wishful thinking?
Interesting.... I've noticed a pattern of head coaches seeking out McCollum for advice. Ironic that some of the advice Shaka received from McCollum was about speeding up his team's pace. It makes one wonder if McCollum is the type of guy that would adapt to his personnel, and whether he would prefer to play at a faster pace.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4052114/2023/01/03/marquette-shaka-smart-tyler-kolek/
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4052114/2023/01/03/marquette-shaka-smart-tyler-kolek/
He has one of the best point differentials in the NCAA at +9
He is a winner, and squeezes every ounce out of each of his teams.
But his teams don't shoot enough threes and their tempo is slow and not modern basketball!
Screw the fact that he wins.
Coaches were reaching out to Josh Schertz last year too. Bright young coaches. I just don’t have the patience for the growing pains when guys like Chris Beard are potentially open to IU.
Exactly - would just be a continuation of bad , lackluster hires. If true, just another dumb move a will be a repeat and change in 4 years.
25+ years of growing pains. Same old IU.
And zero NCAA tournament wins. If a coach like this was out there with IU ties would IU be interested? Heck no. Many fans were not interested in May with a better track record. I'm huge Pope fan btw I also like BM.
Chris Beard could guard Greg Hill! He's that good!
(Throwback joke for people who were here when Purdue got their biggest commit evar!)
I get that this is a message board, but the speculations, know-it-all opinions and hyperbole are unbelievable. None of us have a crystal ball to say what candidate will do what in the future if at IU, or any other place to be honest.
I am going to be optimistic about whoever is hired, then wait to see before getting excited.
I am going to be optimistic about whoever is hired, then wait to see before getting excited.
And comparing him to knight is absurd. The game was so much different back then and players weren't paid
I’m all aboard the McCollum train at this point. I wanted Beard but that’s just not gonna work out. Basketball is 80% about culture and systems. And the guys got that down to a science . The other 20% I’m confident he’ll get players Given our resources and his eye for recruiting.
Risk be damned. I’m all in. All chips on the table.
We’ve been saying for about 8 years that we “cannot get this hire wrong” and that started with Archie..
It’s the exact same thing people were saying right after Crean..
Hypothetically, if he takes over for Chris Collins at NW. Does he win 25 games and get them back to the tournament?
That's somewhat similar to comparing Beard's SEC record to BM's 15 years at his D2 school.
At the time of the selection there was a lot of talk on campus that the pic would be a former Celtic great. RMK was a surprise.
Of the fifty or so coaches that have won a D2 national championship, some with multiple championships and some with undefeated seasons, only one of the fifty has had success in D1-Bruce Pearl. If McCollum then limit his contract to four seasons and with low buyout after his third season.
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Fair enough. Who is your top realistic choice. Just so if he’s hired, we can tell you “told you so.”
I wouldn't worry about it. He waited to get Drake, passing on other offers. He's not leaving there to come to IU after a year.
That’s a sad commentary, not that I actually want him, but if we really want a guy bad enough we can’t lure him away from Drake? Really? From Drake?
Worked for Wisconsin. Bo Ryan owned our ass and I don’t think he ever finished lower than 4th in the conference. Two final fours to boot. 4 conference titles and 3 conference tournament titles. He won 4 D3 championships before Wisconsin hired him. If you can coach, well, you can coach.
Before the fact the odds are bad except for the usual group that have no doubt.
I agree. People are over complicating this thing. At the end of the day. It’s simply coaching.
To offer a coaching parallel: Matt Painter.
He spent 10 years after graduation as an assistant coach at various stops. He then spent 1 year as the head coach at Southern Illinois after Bruce Weber left there to go to Illinois.. He then went for a season back to the Purdue bench as the coach in waiting. Most people would consider him as a pretty good coach.
Every coach is a gamble.
I agree never certainty but before the fact some coaches have less risk than others. Who bets on a 1-100 shot if a 1-5 shot is available for the same payout.
We should hope for a surprise
Brad Stevens and Scott Drew never made any sense. Everyone else is still on the table if you subscribe to the money and resources approach. Extensions mean nothing and we can handle most buyouts. I don't think it's impossible McCollum would accept the job, just highly unlikely because I don't think the money and resources pitch moves the needle with him. It's been more about geography and timing up until now.
It's either going to be someone we thought was impossible for a helluva lot of money, or one of the Menendez brothers (Beard/Wade) No way in hell will he hire a Brownellish caliber coach.
Brad Stevens and Scott Drew never made any sense. Everyone else is still on the table if you subscribe to the money and resources approach. Extensions mean nothing and we can handle most buyouts. I don't think it's impossible McCollum would accept the job, just highly unlikely because I don't think the money and resources pitch moves the needle with him. It's been more about geography and timing up until now.
It's either going to be someone we thought was impossible for a helluva lot of money, or one of the Menendez brothers (Beard/Wade) No way in hell will he hire a Brownellish caliber coach.
Chris Beard actually would which is why it is malpractice for Dolson to disqualify him.
Yeah, two final fours in his 15 years. …At Wisconsin.
You know, that thing we’ve been two twice in the last 33 years.
Was your post supposed to be some kinda gotcha?
Wisconsin didn’t go after the huge, marquee name. The got a guy who proved he was a good coach. I don’t give a damn what division you’re in. 4 titles in it is impressive.
Coaches have different backgrounds and not all gambles are equal. Kelsey had a traditional background for a D1 coach.. He was on the coaching staff at Wake Forest for 8 seasons then coaching staff at Xavier for two seasons then Winthrop for eight seasons and Charleston for three seasons. He had a total of four tournament D1 appearances at Winthrop and Charleston and was ranked in the top 25 while at Charleston. Right now at Louisville he has a NET ranking of 25th so similar to Charleston. Thus far (prior to his first tournament at Louisville) I don’t see any quantum leap in his coaching results. He is a well seasoned D1 coach that has performed about as expected at Louisville.
Most importantly he played for Joby Wright at Wyoming.
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