McCollum

[IUNorth]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

 

[kmathum]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

He da man!

 

[ams66]

May was doing that (winning but a lot of close games) but today he’s getting embarrassed at home by Illinois.

 

[Brockettman]

I know it’s been said before , but McCollum is a lot like coach Cig in that he just wins . He won at the D2 level , and I’m sure people wondered if he could do it at the next level . He has moved up to the next level and has continued to win . Now people are saying can he win in the BIG . The best answer to that is we won’t know until he gets that opportunity. Winners are winners because they know how to win , and expect to win . Just ask Coach Cig .

 

[kmathum]

I know it’s been said before , but McCollum is a lot like coach Cig in that he just wins . He won at the D2 level , and I’m sure people wondered if he could do it at the next level . He has moved up to the next level and has continued to win . Now people are saying can he win in the BIG . The best answer to that is we won’t know until he gets that opportunity. Winners are winners because they know how to win , and expect to win . Just ask Coach Cig .

I'm sure a lot of people questioned the RMK hire at the time also.

 

[Harry Hondo]

Hummel thinks Greg McDermott should be IU’s next coach and I saw an article promoting the same. He’s good, but do we want a 60 year old coach to replace our 66 year old coach?

 

[kmathum]

Hummel thinks Greg McDermott should be IU’s next coach and I saw an article promoting the same. He’s good, but do we want a 60 year old coach to replace our 66 year old coach?

Pay absolutely no attention to who a PU grad says should be our next coach.

 

[welshman#]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

Been on the McCollum bandwagon ever since I mentioned him back in January of 2024 when he was still at NW Missouri State.

I’d be okay with him and for those who worry about his teams’ pace, I look more at offensive efficiency than pace and iirc his team scored about 80 points vs Byington’s Vandy team earlier this season.

Having said that, at this point if I could have my choice of any coach out there irrespective of location, buyout, salary, etc., I think I’d pick McCasland.

 

[ams66]

I'm sure a lot of people questioned the RMK hire at the time also.

One thing Cig and RMK had in common is zero tolerance for lack of effort. Don’t box out, or take your time getting back on defense, one time, Knight would give you some bench time to think about it.

 

[ulrey]

Been on the McCollum bandwagon ever since I mentioned him back in January of 2024 when he was still at NW Missouri State.

I’d be okay with him and for those who worry about his teams’ pace, I look more at offensive efficiency than pace and iirc his team scored about 80 points vs Byington’s Vandy team earlier this season.

Having said that, at this point if I could have my choice of any coach out there irrespective of location, buyout, salary, etc., I think I’d pick McCasland.

McCasland is the real deal.

 

[hozo4ultimate]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

Google him. He wins. I watch their games whenever I can. A lot of close games in that league. He brought some kids from his last team and just won the league.

I know they are in any in no way the same situation, but the comparisons to a certain football coach are interesting. He even sort of sounds like him in his pressers. And the dude is like 43. He is going to be a program changer wherever he goes.

 

[frikkenfrakken]

I know it’s been said before , but McCollum is a lot like coach Cig in that he just wins . He won at the D2 level , and I’m sure people wondered if he could do it at the next level . He has moved up to the next level and has continued to win . Now people are saying can he win in the BIG . The best answer to that is we won’t know until he gets that opportunity. Winners are winners because they know how to win , and expect to win . Just ask Coach Cig .

I think I favor him over the other candidates because his ceiling is the highest and he's young. It's a mighty hack for the fences. If he doesn't work out, oh well, try again. Ideally, you hit a homer and then keep him around for decades, not 5-7 years.

 

[hozo4ultimate]

McCasland is the real deal.

Do you think there is any reasonable chance that either is the next coach at IU?

 

[Warison]

I think I favor him over the other candidates because his ceiling is the highest and he's young. It's a mighty hack for the fences. If he doesn't work out, oh well, try again. Ideally, you hit a homer and then keep him around for decades, not 5-7 years.

I’d be thrilled with McCollum over a Drew or Cronin hire. Give me someone hungry and not someone running from something.

 

[ulrey]

Do you think there is any reasonable chance that either is the next coach at IU?

I really have no clue.

 

[welshman#]

Do you think there is any reasonable chance that either is the next coach at IU?

The standard trope on McCasland is that he’s waiting for the Texas job to open up and that he doesn’t want to leave the state of Texas in any event, but I’m skeptical on that.

His current annual compensation is $3.9 million and current post-season buyout is about $8.4 million iirc. My assumption is that although he’s supposedly a “Texas lifer” he’d leave for a job like Kansas in a nanosecond (as would “Ames lifer” Otzelberger).

 

[IUgradman]

No one knows anything. It has all been pure speculation since it was announced Woodson wasn’t returning.

 

[bailey777]

I'm sure a lot of people questioned the RMK hire at the time also.

I doubt the knight hire was a make or break hire for the program like this is. I recall hearing what home run archie was as well.

 

[bsmitty08]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

Drake was 28-6 last year…where did that coach go? WVA?

 

[TMB333]

IU hires McCollum or Iowa does and the dominate IU for years.

 

[IUNorth]

Drake was 28-6 last year…where did that coach go? WVA?

Yes, DeVries went to WVA.

 

[TR32]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

Dan Monson won 28 games in one season at Gonzaga.

(In 26 consecutive years of coaching since then, he's had 1 , 25 win season and he was pretty mediocre at Minnesota.)

So tell me, time capsulist in the year 1999, is Dan Monson gonna kill when he gets to the big conferences?

Yes, McCollum may be different because of his more Bo Ryan like past, but he is still a risky pick. I simply don't know if that is the route Dolson wants to go.

Who knows?

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Dan Monson won 28 games in one season at Gonzaga.

(In 26 consecutive years of coaching since then, he's had 1 , 25 win season and he was pretty mediocre at Minnesota.)

So tell me, time capsulist in the year 1999, is Dan Monson gonna kill when he gets to the big conferences?

Yes, McCollum may be different because of his more Bo Ryan like past, but he is still a risky pick. I simply don't know if that is the route Dolson wants to go.

Who knows?

Who would not be risky at this point?
There was a 2 month lovefest on here for Dusty May. He was risky too. 4 of his 7 seasons as a head coach were mediocre. He went on a magical run but so did Mike Davis. You really don’t know. It’s all about fit.
Give me the guy that has been a head coach for 15 years and is only 43 years old and other coaches call for advice. Give me that guy and he’ll win.

 

[CriticArisen]

Won again today to get to 27-3, and win the MVC regular season championship.

Is it a good, or bad thing that so many of his wins have been very close wins? Today they needed overtime to beat one of the lower teams in conference.

But man, he wins so many of them. I think he has less talent than most off the rest of the conference, and is coaching them up…to the point where they won the conference. But the style he’s playing with, does result in less possessions, which keeps a lot of the games closer.

Last year Drake was auto qualifier and defeated in first round. No at large bids for MVC so ISU was eliminated. In any event good data points coming up for McCollum. Let’s see how he does in the NCAA. If he gets the auto bid and wins a first round game I will be shocked. I wouldn’t say he is Archie. Based on resume to date he is only a poor man’s Archie. Of course all coaching appointments have risk but some less than others based on resume.

I looked back on posts after Archie was hired and some had the view that thank God we got Archie instead of Underwood and this was after the ISU game.

Missouri State was 9-21 and 2-17 in conference prior to this Drake game.

Bradley is second seed in the MVC tourney and actually has a win at Drake this season. Let’s see the upcoming data points. There is a good chance they won’t make it out of the MVC tournament, although favored, and the MVC is not a good conference this year (first column is NET as of today). Unfortunate the auto qualifier in the MVC will reduce bids for better ranked teams by 1. It will be a low ranked team with an auto bid.

NET rankings and stats as of today-

60	59	Drake	MVC	25-3	10-1	3-0	38	1-0	4-0	10-3	10-0
79	84	Bradley	MVC	23-7	8-3	3-1	69	1-0	2-5	10-2	10-0
90	89	UNI	MVC	19-11	5-5	1-3	131	0-1	2-6	10-4	7-0
123	123	Illinois St.	MVC	17-13	5-7	1-2	170	0-1	2-5	7-5	8-2
134	133	Belmont	MVC	20-10	9-4	1-1	119	0-1	2-3	9-5	9-1
145	141	UIC	MVC	15-13	7-6	1-2	165	0-2	4-2	5-7	6-2
149	147	Murray St.	MVC	14-16	6-8	2-3	216	1-1	2-5	5-8	6-2
197	190	Southern Ill.	MVC	11-18	5-7	0-3	270	0-1	0-6	7-9	4-2
203	213	Indiana St.	MVC	12-17	4-9	2-2	247	0-2	0-6	4-6	8-3
229	229	Valparaiso	MVC	11-18	3-10	0-1	276	0-2	0-5	4-7	7-4
235	240	Missouri St.	MVC	7-22	1-12	1-2	331	0-1	1-7	2-10	4-4
243	243	Evansville	MVC

This compares to the Big10

11	12	Michigan St.	Big Ten	24-5	7-2	3-2	7	10-3	5-2	4-0	5-0
12	13	Maryland	Big Ten	22-7	4-5	2-0	27	6-6	5-1	3-0	8-0
14	11	Wisconsin	Big Ten	22-7	5-5	3-0	10	6-6	8-1	2-0	6-0
16	22	Illinois	Big Ten	19-11	5-5	2-2	28	7-10	6-0	0-1	6-0
17	16	Purdue	Big Ten	20-9	5-5	2-2	15	8-8	6-1	2-0	4-0
25	23	Michigan	Big Ten	22-7	7-2	2-3	13	8-4	7-3	5-0	2-0
27	27	UCLA	Big Ten	20-9	4-5	2-2	29	6-8	6-0	1-1	7-0
31	31	Oregon	Big Ten	21-8	6-4	4-0	16	8-6	5-2	5-0	3-0
36	36	Ohio St.	Big Ten	16-13	4-6	2-1	49	5-9	4-4	1-0	6-0
54	54	Northwestern	Big Ten	16-13	2-8	2-1	66	3-9	4-4	4-0	5-0
55	55	Indiana	Big Ten	18-11	4-5	1-2	43	4-11	4-0	6-0	4-0
57	57	Nebraska	Big Ten	17-12	5-6	2-1	52	5-9	4-1	2-2	6-0
66	67	Penn St.	Big Ten	15-15	2-8	2-1	106	1-9	4-4	3-2	7-0
67	68	Iowa	Big Ten	15-14	1-8	2-1	74	1-11	5-2	2-1	7-0
72	73	Rutgers	Big Ten	14-15	3-7	1-3	79	4-12	2-1	2-2	6-0
76	77	Southern California	Big Ten	14-15	3-6	0-2	83	3-11	3-2	2-2	6-0
93	93	Minnesota	Big Ten	15-14	5-4	0-2	77	5-7	3-5	0-2	7-0
106	106	Washington	Big Ten	12-16	2-8	2-0	103	2-11	4-3	1-1	5-1

and just for the heck of it the SEC

1	1	Auburn	SEC	27-2	8-1	6-0	1	16-2	5-0	2-0	4-0
4	4	Florida	SEC	25-4	6-3	5-0	5	6-4	9-0	4-0	6-0
5	5	Tennessee	SEC	24-5	6-4	3-0	3	10-5	4-0	4-0	6-0
6	6	Alabama	SEC	23-6	8-3	3-1	2	10-6	7-0	4-0	2-0
13	14	Missouri	SEC	21-8	3-6	0-1	19	6-8	3-0	4-0	8-0
15	15	Kentucky	SEC	19-10	3-6	2-1	9	9-9	1-1	3-0	6-0
23	24	Texas A&M	SEC	20-9	4-5	4-1	11	6-7	8-2	1-0	5-0
28	28	Ole Miss	SEC	20-9	5-5	3-1	17	5-9	6-0	2-0	7-0
30	30	Mississippi St.	SEC	20-9	6-4	4-1	14	7-8	5-1	2-0	6-0
33	33	Georgia	SEC	18-11	2-7	2-1	33	4-11	3-0	3-0	8-0
37	37	Vanderbilt	SEC	20-9	3-6	3-1	26	5-8	4-1	3-0	8-0
46	45	Texas	SEC	16-13	3-6	2-1	58	4-9	2-4	3-0	7-0
47	47	Arkansas	SEC	17-12	3-6	1-2	44	4-9	2-3	4-0	7-0
53	52	Oklahoma	SEC	17-12	1-7	5-0	42	5-10	3-1	2-1	7-0
84	82	LSU	SEC	14-15	2-7	1-2	70	1-12	3-3	2-0	8-0
88	88	South Carolina	SEC	12-17	1-9	1-1	92	1-15	2-1	3-0

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Pay absolutely no attention to who a PU grad says should be our next coach.

How old is Cig?

Hint, older then McDermott.

 

[Walt542]

Been on the McCollum bandwagon ever since I mentioned him back in January of 2024 when he was still at NW Missouri State.

I’d be okay with him and for those who worry about his teams’ pace, I look more at offensive efficiency than pace and iirc his team scored about 80 points vs Byington’s Vandy team earlier this season.

Having said that, at this point if I could have my choice of any coach out there irrespective of location, buyout, salary, etc., I think I’d pick McCasland.

I remember when RMK was hired we heard about how his slow pace of play was going to ruin the Hurrin’ Hoosiers. Well that one turned out OK.

 

[IndyResident16]

The standard trope on McCasland is that he’s waiting for the Texas job to open up and that he doesn’t want to leave the state of Texas in any event, but I’m skeptical on that.

His current annual compensation is $3.9 million and current post-season buyout is about $8.4 million iirc. My assumption is that although he’s supposedly a “Texas lifer” he’d leave for a job like Kansas in a nanosecond (as would “Ames lifer” Otzelberger).

That Texas job is more than likely going to be open here in a couple weeks. Rodney Terry has been nothing short of a disaster since replacing Beard and his team just quit on him while firmly on the bubble. Got to think McCasland will be Texas' first call.

 

[IndyResident16]

Last year Drake was auto qualifier and defeated in first round. No at large bids for MVC so ISU was eliminated. In any event good data points coming up for McCollum. Let’s see how he does in the NCAA. If he gets the auto bid and wins a first round game I will be shocked. I wouldn’t say he is Archie. Based on resume to date he is only a poor man’s Archie. Of course all coaching appointments have risk but some less than others based on resume.

I looked back on posts after Archie was hired and some had the view that thank God we got Archie instead of Underwood and this was after the ISU game.

Missouri State was 9-21 and 2-17 in conference prior to this Drake game.

Bradley is second seed in the MVC tourney and actually has a win at Drake this season. Let’s see the upcoming data points. There is a good chance they won’t make it out of the MVC tournament, although favored, and the MVC is not a good conference this year (first column is NET as of today). Unfortunate the auto qualifier in the MVC will reduce at large bids for better ranked teams by 1. It will be a low ranked team with an auto bid.

NET rankings and stats as of today-

60	59	Drake	MVC	25-3	10-1	3-0	38	1-0	4-0	10-3	10-0
79	84	Bradley	MVC	23-7	8-3	3-1	69	1-0	2-5	10-2	10-0
90	89	UNI	MVC	19-11	5-5	1-3	131	0-1	2-6	10-4	7-0
123	123	Illinois St.	MVC	17-13	5-7	1-2	170	0-1	2-5	7-5	8-2
134	133	Belmont	MVC	20-10	9-4	1-1	119	0-1	2-3	9-5	9-1
145	141	UIC	MVC	15-13	7-6	1-2	165	0-2	4-2	5-7	6-2
149	147	Murray St.	MVC	14-16	6-8	2-3	216	1-1	2-5	5-8	6-2
197	190	Southern Ill.	MVC	11-18	5-7	0-3	270	0-1	0-6	7-9	4-2
203	213	Indiana St.	MVC	12-17	4-9	2-2	247	0-2	0-6	4-6	8-3
229	229	Valparaiso	MVC	11-18	3-10	0-1	276	0-2	0-5	4-7	7-4
235	240	Missouri St.	MVC	7-22	1-12	1-2	331	0-1	1-7	2-10	4-4
243	243	Evansville	MVC

This compares to the Big10

11	12	Michigan St.	Big Ten	24-5	7-2	3-2	7	10-3	5-2	4-0	5-0
12	13	Maryland	Big Ten	22-7	4-5	2-0	27	6-6	5-1	3-0	8-0
14	11	Wisconsin	Big Ten	22-7	5-5	3-0	10	6-6	8-1	2-0	6-0
16	22	Illinois	Big Ten	19-11	5-5	2-2	28	7-10	6-0	0-1	6-0
17	16	Purdue	Big Ten	20-9	5-5	2-2	15	8-8	6-1	2-0	4-0
25	23	Michigan	Big Ten	22-7	7-2	2-3	13	8-4	7-3	5-0	2-0
27	27	UCLA	Big Ten	20-9	4-5	2-2	29	6-8	6-0	1-1	7-0
31	31	Oregon	Big Ten	21-8	6-4	4-0	16	8-6	5-2	5-0	3-0
36	36	Ohio St.	Big Ten	16-13	4-6	2-1	49	5-9	4-4	1-0	6-0
54	54	Northwestern	Big Ten	16-13	2-8	2-1	66	3-9	4-4	4-0	5-0
55	55	Indiana	Big Ten	18-11	4-5	1-2	43	4-11	4-0	6-0	4-0
57	57	Nebraska	Big Ten	17-12	5-6	2-1	52	5-9	4-1	2-2	6-0
66	67	Penn St.	Big Ten	15-15	2-8	2-1	106	1-9	4-4	3-2	7-0
67	68	Iowa	Big Ten	15-14	1-8	2-1	74	1-11	5-2	2-1	7-0
72	73	Rutgers	Big Ten	14-15	3-7	1-3	79	4-12	2-1	2-2	6-0
76	77	Southern California	Big Ten	14-15	3-6	0-2	83	3-11	3-2	2-2	6-0
93	93	Minnesota	Big Ten	15-14	5-4	0-2	77	5-7	3-5	0-2	7-0
106	106	Washington	Big Ten	12-16	2-8	2-0	103	2-11	4-3	1-1	5-1

and just for the heck of it the SEC

1	1	Auburn	SEC	27-2	8-1	6-0	1	16-2	5-0	2-0	4-0
4	4	Florida	SEC	25-4	6-3	5-0	5	6-4	9-0	4-0	6-0
5	5	Tennessee	SEC	24-5	6-4	3-0	3	10-5	4-0	4-0	6-0
6	6	Alabama	SEC	23-6	8-3	3-1	2	10-6	7-0	4-0	2-0
13	14	Missouri	SEC	21-8	3-6	0-1	19	6-8	3-0	4-0	8-0
15	15	Kentucky	SEC	19-10	3-6	2-1	9	9-9	1-1	3-0	6-0
23	24	Texas A&M	SEC	20-9	4-5	4-1	11	6-7	8-2	1-0	5-0
28	28	Ole Miss	SEC	20-9	5-5	3-1	17	5-9	6-0	2-0	7-0
30	30	Mississippi St.	SEC	20-9	6-4	4-1	14	7-8	5-1	2-0	6-0
33	33	Georgia	SEC	18-11	2-7	2-1	33	4-11	3-0	3-0	8-0
37	37	Vanderbilt	SEC	20-9	3-6	3-1	26	5-8	4-1	3-0	8-0
46	45	Texas	SEC	16-13	3-6	2-1	58	4-9	2-4	3-0	7-0
47	47	Arkansas	SEC	17-12	3-6	1-2	44	4-9	2-3	4-0	7-0
53	52	Oklahoma	SEC	17-12	1-7	5-0	42	5-10	3-1	2-1	7-0
84	82	LSU	SEC	14-15	2-7	1-2	70	1-12	3-3	2-0	8-0
88	88	South Carolina	SEC	12-17	1-9	1-1	92	1-15	2-1	3-0

Drake has to win the MVC to get in. 3 Q3 losses kills any chance for an at-large with only one Q1 win.

 

[IndyResident16]

May was doing that (winning but a lot of close games) but today he’s getting embarrassed at home by Illinois.

May's luck bound to run out soon and may already have. Michigan is 9-3 in their last 12 games with all 9 wins being decided by 4 points or less. They're 9-3 with a negative point differential of 32 in their last 12 games which is almost unfathomable. Still play a good Maryland team and on the road to Michigan State in what may be a game that clinches an outright title for Izzo. They will be a trendy upset pick in the tournament.

 

[CriticArisen]

Drake has to win the MVC to get in. 3 Q3 losses kills any chance for an at-large with only one Q1 win.

Last year ISU was ranked in the 20’s and didn’t get an at large bid.

 

[IUNorth]

Last year Drake was auto qualifier and defeated in first round. No at large bids for MVC so ISU was eliminated. In any event good data points coming up for McCollum. Let’s see how he does in the NCAA. If he gets the auto bid and wins a first round game I will be shocked. I wouldn’t say he is Archie. Based on resume to date he is only a poor man’s Archie. Of course all coaching appointments have risk but some less than others based on resume.

I looked back on posts after Archie was hired and some had the view that thank God we got Archie instead of Underwood and this was after the ISU game.

Missouri State was 9-21 and 2-17 in conference prior to this Drake game.

Bradley is second seed in the MVC tourney and actually has a win at Drake this season. Let’s see the upcoming data points. There is a good chance they won’t make it out of the MVC tournament, although favored, and the MVC is not a good conference this year (first column is NET as of today). Unfortunate the auto qualifier in the MVC will reduce at large bids for better ranked teams by 1. It will be a low ranked team with an auto bid.

NET rankings and stats as of today-

60	59	Drake	MVC	25-3	10-1	3-0	38	1-0	4-0	10-3	10-0
79	84	Bradley	MVC	23-7	8-3	3-1	69	1-0	2-5	10-2	10-0
90	89	UNI	MVC	19-11	5-5	1-3	131	0-1	2-6	10-4	7-0
123	123	Illinois St.	MVC	17-13	5-7	1-2	170	0-1	2-5	7-5	8-2
134	133	Belmont	MVC	20-10	9-4	1-1	119	0-1	2-3	9-5	9-1
145	141	UIC	MVC	15-13	7-6	1-2	165	0-2	4-2	5-7	6-2
149	147	Murray St.	MVC	14-16	6-8	2-3	216	1-1	2-5	5-8	6-2
197	190	Southern Ill.	MVC	11-18	5-7	0-3	270	0-1	0-6	7-9	4-2
203	213	Indiana St.	MVC	12-17	4-9	2-2	247	0-2	0-6	4-6	8-3
229	229	Valparaiso	MVC	11-18	3-10	0-1	276	0-2	0-5	4-7	7-4
235	240	Missouri St.	MVC	7-22	1-12	1-2	331	0-1	1-7	2-10	4-4
243	243	Evansville	MVC

This compares to the Big10

11	12	Michigan St.	Big Ten	24-5	7-2	3-2	7	10-3	5-2	4-0	5-0
12	13	Maryland	Big Ten	22-7	4-5	2-0	27	6-6	5-1	3-0	8-0
14	11	Wisconsin	Big Ten	22-7	5-5	3-0	10	6-6	8-1	2-0	6-0
16	22	Illinois	Big Ten	19-11	5-5	2-2	28	7-10	6-0	0-1	6-0
17	16	Purdue	Big Ten	20-9	5-5	2-2	15	8-8	6-1	2-0	4-0
25	23	Michigan	Big Ten	22-7	7-2	2-3	13	8-4	7-3	5-0	2-0
27	27	UCLA	Big Ten	20-9	4-5	2-2	29	6-8	6-0	1-1	7-0
31	31	Oregon	Big Ten	21-8	6-4	4-0	16	8-6	5-2	5-0	3-0
36	36	Ohio St.	Big Ten	16-13	4-6	2-1	49	5-9	4-4	1-0	6-0
54	54	Northwestern	Big Ten	16-13	2-8	2-1	66	3-9	4-4	4-0	5-0
55	55	Indiana	Big Ten	18-11	4-5	1-2	43	4-11	4-0	6-0	4-0
57	57	Nebraska	Big Ten	17-12	5-6	2-1	52	5-9	4-1	2-2	6-0
66	67	Penn St.	Big Ten	15-15	2-8	2-1	106	1-9	4-4	3-2	7-0
67	68	Iowa	Big Ten	15-14	1-8	2-1	74	1-11	5-2	2-1	7-0
72	73	Rutgers	Big Ten	14-15	3-7	1-3	79	4-12	2-1	2-2	6-0
76	77	Southern California	Big Ten	14-15	3-6	0-2	83	3-11	3-2	2-2	6-0
93	93	Minnesota	Big Ten	15-14	5-4	0-2	77	5-7	3-5	0-2	7-0
106	106	Washington	Big Ten	12-16	2-8	2-0	103	2-11	4-3	1-1	5-1

and just for the heck of it the SEC

1	1	Auburn	SEC	27-2	8-1	6-0	1	16-2	5-0	2-0	4-0
4	4	Florida	SEC	25-4	6-3	5-0	5	6-4	9-0	4-0	6-0
5	5	Tennessee	SEC	24-5	6-4	3-0	3	10-5	4-0	4-0	6-0
6	6	Alabama	SEC	23-6	8-3	3-1	2	10-6	7-0	4-0	2-0
13	14	Missouri	SEC	21-8	3-6	0-1	19	6-8	3-0	4-0	8-0
15	15	Kentucky	SEC	19-10	3-6	2-1	9	9-9	1-1	3-0	6-0
23	24	Texas A&M	SEC	20-9	4-5	4-1	11	6-7	8-2	1-0	5-0
28	28	Ole Miss	SEC	20-9	5-5	3-1	17	5-9	6-0	2-0	7-0
30	30	Mississippi St.	SEC	20-9	6-4	4-1	14	7-8	5-1	2-0	6-0
33	33	Georgia	SEC	18-11	2-7	2-1	33	4-11	3-0	3-0	8-0
37	37	Vanderbilt	SEC	20-9	3-6	3-1	26	5-8	4-1	3-0	8-0
46	45	Texas	SEC	16-13	3-6	2-1	58	4-9	2-4	3-0	7-0
47	47	Arkansas	SEC	17-12	3-6	1-2	44	4-9	2-3	4-0	7-0
53	52	Oklahoma	SEC	17-12	1-7	5-0	42	5-10	3-1	2-1	7-0
84	82	LSU	SEC	14-15	2-7	1-2	70	1-12	3-3	2-0	8-0
88	88	South Carolina	SEC	12-17	1-9	1-1	92	1-15	2-1	3-0

They won't get in as an at large...so the MVC isn't a bid stealing conference this year.

Last year's Drake team was DeVries 6th Drake team...not his first.

And their NET ranking, while a little higher, wasn't much higher than this year's Drake team's is. Indiana State, for sure, was a better "2nd team" for them in the MVC, and I'm sure they both helped each other's NET because of that...but the rest of the conference was similarly weak...like it nearly always is these days. The "Valley" used to be a lot stronger conference than it is any more.

I've been careful to use the term "against his peers" when talking about McCollum. In the end, that's really all he, or any coach, can be judged on. He's never had the opportunity to coach at any higher level than the Valley, and this year's Drake team.

Against his peers...his resume dwarfs what Archie brought to IU. And we now know that Archie's run his last few years at Dayton, didn't have any sort of staying power...he's failed at IU, and now Rhode Island. We don't know that yet, obviously, about McCollum. And its my contention that McCollum's failure, at a place like IU, probably lands a fair bit higher than Archie's did. And his ceiling could be better than anything we've ever seen at IU. VERY worth the risk, in my opinion.

 

[CriticArisen]

They won't get in as an at large...so the MVC isn't a bid stealing conference this year.

Last year's Drake team was DeVries 6th Drake team...not his first.

And their NET ranking, while a little higher, wasn't much higher than this year's Drake team's is. Indiana State, for sure, was a better "2nd team" for them in the MVC, and I'm sure they both helped each other's NET because of that...but the rest of the conference was similarly weak...like it nearly always is these days. The "Valley" used to be a lot stronger conference than it is any more.

I've been careful to use the term "against his peers" when talking about McCollum. In the end, that's really all he, or any coach, can be judged on. He's never had the opportunity to coach at any higher level than the Valley, and this year's Drake team.

Against his peers...his resume dwarfs what Archie brought to IU. And we now know that Archie's run his last few years at Dayton, didn't have any sort of staying power...he's failed at IU, and now Rhode Island. We don't know that yet, obviously, about McCollum. And its my contention that McCollum's failure, at a place like IU, probably lands a fair bit higher than Archie's did. And his ceiling could be better than anything we've ever seen at IU. VERY worth the risk, in my opinion.

Peers change a lot going from MVC to Big10 and that is why so many fail and why the risk is high. Archie’s strength of schedule was much higher so on that basis he had a much better peer group to judge performance against.

 

[IUNorth]

Peers change a lot going from MVC to Big10 and that is why so many fail and why the risk is high. Archie’s strength of schedule was much higher so on that basis he had a much better peer group to judge performance against.

He's beating his peers with a roster heavy with D2 players. The only 3 P4 opponents he had on his schedule, he beat...the best of them, Vanderbilt, he beat handily.

I was just as excited about Archie as the next guy...in fact, I spent "most" of his time at IU defending him because he was improving IU's "metrics". One thing I wasn't seeing at the time, is the value of actually winning closely contested basketball games.

As of now, I think that's what ends up separating great coaches from good coaches. Some coaches get their teams to be generally competitive with their peers because of the talent they can recruit. Some coaches get them competitive with their style of play. Good coaches can be solid and competitive. Its the great coaches that can manipulate a game, get those extra possessions, get those handful of stops when they're needed, etc... that end up being great.

McCollum has proven he can do that over a MUCH longer stretch, and now at 2 different levels of college basketball. Obviously there are risks with him stepping up to P4 basketball... Everyone has risks though. What about Beard's first year at Texas? What about his sub .500 SEC record? What about May's first 4 seasons at FAU? What about how he didn't back up his final four run nearly as well as most thought he would? What about the blowout losses this year at Michigan? The only person we've regularly talked about who's risks don't involve losing games a great coach wouldn't lose, is McCollum. And before you bring up his losses this year... he's 27-3, improved the record versus what DeVries was doing, and did it with lesser talent, in year 1 at Drake. I think his potential ceiling is VERY worth the risks he presents.

 

[kmathum]

He's beating his peers with a roster heavy with D2 players. The only 3 P4 opponents he had on his schedule, he beat...the best of them, Vanderbilt, he beat handily.

I was just as excited about Archie as the next guy...in fact, I spent "most" of his time at IU defending him because he was improving IU's "metrics". One thing I wasn't seeing at the time, is the value of actually winning closely contested basketball games.

As of now, I think that's what ends up separating great coaches from good coaches. Some coaches get their teams to be generally competitive with their peers because of the talent they can recruit. Some coaches get them competitive with their style of play. Good coaches can be solid and competitive. Its the great coaches that can manipulate a game, get those extra possessions, get those handful of stops when they're needed, etc... that end up being great.

McCollum has proven he can do that over a MUCH longer stretch, and now at 2 different levels of college basketball. Obviously there are risks with him stepping up to P4 basketball... Everyone has risks though. What about Beard's first year at Texas? What about his sub .500 SEC record? What about May's first 4 seasons at FAU? What about how he didn't back up his final four run nearly as well as most thought he would? What about the blowout losses this year at Michigan? The only person we've regularly talked about who's risks don't involve losing games a great coach wouldn't lose, is McCollum. And before you bring up his losses this year... he's 27-3, improved the record versus what DeVries was doing, and did it with lesser talent, in year 1 at Drake. I think his potential ceiling is VERY worth the risks he presents.

i think many on this board look at McCollum and see another Archie Miller. i look at McCollum and see a young Bob Knight.

 

[IUNorth]

i think many on this board look at McCollum and see another Archie Miller. i look at McCollum and see a young Bob Knight.

The Archie comp is natural. But it doesn't take too much digging to see some glaring differences. The only thing similar between those two is they're both short and white.

 

[CriticArisen]

He's beating his peers with a roster heavy with D2 players. The only 3 P4 opponents he had on his schedule, he beat...the best of them, Vanderbilt, he beat handily.

I was just as excited about Archie as the next guy...in fact, I spent "most" of his time at IU defending him because he was improving IU's "metrics". One thing I wasn't seeing at the time, is the value of actually winning closely contested basketball games.

As of now, I think that's what ends up separating great coaches from good coaches. Some coaches get their teams to be generally competitive with their peers because of the talent they can recruit. Some coaches get them competitive with their style of play. Good coaches can be solid and competitive. Its the great coaches that can manipulate a game, get those extra possessions, get those handful of stops when they're needed, etc... that end up being great.

McCollum has proven he can do that over a MUCH longer stretch, and now at 2 different levels of college basketball. Obviously there are risks with him stepping up to P4 basketball... Everyone has risks though. What about Beard's first year at Texas? What about his sub .500 SEC record? What about May's first 4 seasons at FAU? What about how he didn't back up his final four run nearly as well as most thought he would? What about the blowout losses this year at Michigan? The only person we've regularly talked about who's risks don't involve losing games a great coach wouldn't lose, is McCollum. And before you bring up his losses this year... he's 27-3, improved the record versus what DeVries was doing, and did it with lesser talent, in year 1 at Drake. I think his potential ceiling is VERY worth the risks he presents.

We disagree about the risks he presents but more data points coming up in March. If he gets out of his tourney and wins even a first round game in the NCAA then I will agree he exceeded my expectations and will have reduced my view of his performance risk at IU.

i think many on this board look at McCollum and see another Archie Miller. i look at McCollum and see a young Bob Knight.

RMK played tougher schedules at Army. As an example in the 67-68 season he beat
Illinois
SMU
Penn State
Georgetown
Syracuse
Rutgers
St Johns

With an undersized not heavily recruited roster.

 

[CriticArisen]

The Archie comp is natural. But it doesn't take too much digging to see some glaring differences. The only thing similar between those two is they're both short and white.

Not true. For basketball decisions before the fact they are their resumes. White fat skinny tall just their resumes. He was ranked 15th in the country D1 his last year at Dayton and excuse me if I don’t see some big recruiting advantage at Dayton.

 

[IUNorth]

We disagree about the risks he presents but more data points coming up in March. If he gets out of his tourney and wins even a first round game in the NCAA then I will agree he exceeded my expectations and will have reduced my view of his performance risk at IU.



RMK played tougher schedules at Army. As an example in the 67-68 season he beat
Illinois
SMU
Penn State
Georgetown
Syracuse
Rutgers
St Johns

With an undersized not heavily recruited roster.

For sure... and I suspect its all moot... I wouldn't think him losing in the MVC tournament, if he's at or near the top of Dolson's list, would change that much.

Id put odds though as higher that Dolson will opt for the more comfortable picks if he can't get an elite guy like Stevens, Pearl, Oats, Beard, May, Wright, etc... It'll be someone like Brownell, or Cronin if the buyout can get figured out, or Matta, or Drew... And McCollum will land at Iowa or Minnesota or one of the B12 schools that might have coaching changes.

 

[CriticArisen]

For sure... and I suspect its all moot... I wouldn't think him losing in the MVC tournament, if he's at or near the top of Dolson's list, would change that much.

Id put odds though as higher that Dolson will opt for the more comfortable picks if he can't get an elite guy like Stevens, Pearl, Oats, Beard, May, Wright, etc... It'll be someone like Brownell, or Cronin if the buyout can get figured out, or Matta, or Drew... And McCollum will land at Iowa or Minnesota or one of the B12 schools that might have coaching changes.

After this discussion I will follow him closely no matter where he lands.

I agree he has a super D2 record.

 

[IUNorth]

After this discussion I will follow him closely no matter where he lands.

I agree he has a super D2 record.

Agreed. I honestly don't think its realistic he'll be the choice. And if it ends up being Beard, May, McCasland, or obviously one of the more proven elite guys... I won't bat an eye at it.

I'm just worried we end up getting a guy like Brownell, or maybe Matta even, just because he's been at a P4 school. And we'll watch Iowa become a B10 contender with him, and be left wondering what McCollum would have done at IU. We know that Brownell would make IU "Big10" good. But I'd fear that'll be his ceiling. I fear Dolson will go for a "proven" P4 guy...but part of that "proven"...is that he has proven he isn't a great coach.