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McCollum Interview

Coaching U Podcast

Pretty insightful interview. Interviewer actually makes some great points about the hiring process.

Let's get Brownell a raise and hire McCollum.
I'm obviously a big fan of his. I hope Dolson is seeing all this, and at this point, I hope he's experienced conversations directly with Coach McCollum...AND I hope he's an AD that is able to look beyond some of the stuff the host referenced with "most" AD's these days...and is willing to embrace the mentality and culture that Coach McCollum would bring to IU.

He's actually probably not exactly like Coach Cignetti. I think Coach Cig has a much larger ego than McCollum. But they do seem to share the whole process approach. And that they likely value kids personalities, recruiting proven winners, etc... over just talent.

Man...we could do A LOT worse than McCollum with this hire. And I suspect we couldn't do much better.
 
One of the primary concerns--justifiably so--is BM's lack of D1 experience. But here's the thing: IU won't get another bite at the apple ... it's McCollum now, or McCollum never.

Not making an argument with this post ... just stating a (likely) fact. If Dolson is sold of BM, he'd better grab him now. But who knows, maybe Dolson isn't even considering him? I put zero stock in "reports."
 
Here's one of the "hidden" reasons I think hiring McCollum would be a great, great thing...beyond that I think he'd be wildly successful, and we'd win a ton of games.

It would, to me, prove that the Cig hire wasn't "luck". It would prove, to me, that we have an AD that is willing to keep all the influencers in our programs at arms length, he's open to, if not enthusiastic, about learning about the entire impact potential leaders in his Indiana Athletics organization would have. It would prove that he understands that all Indiana needs is a proven leader of men, someone that's proven that they will build a program foundationally on concepts and philosophies that are translatable to many different types of people and players...so in this ever changing and evolving ecosystem that is high level college basketball... he/we could be comfortable that we'd have a leader that will seek out winners, character, and then work tirelessly to maximize what those kids can successfully do on a basketball court.

I personally have zero doubts that McCollum's approach will work with impactful, elite, P4 level players. But that his "gut" will effectively weed out the types of talented players that we've all gnashed our teeth over in recent years. I'm not as down on Romeo as certain other posters on here...but he's a great example of a kid that probably doesn't get recruited by McCollum. Rather, maybe a 4 star kid, who's team won state titles, whos AAU team won big tournaments, who quite obviously has the fire and grit needed to be great. In short, we'd have a program filled with Olidipos, and Baileys, and Sheeheys, etc...

But even if it doesn't translate. Even if "all he can get" are MAC level players...he's already proven that he wins above relative talent level. I think our "floor" with McCollum is probably Wisconsin levels of success. And while I wouldn't sign up for that if I knew we'd be like Wisconsin for the next 30 years. I think, while it'd be happening, we'd all enjoy the hell out of that relative level of success that we haven't seen in nearly 30 years. That's his FLOOR. His ceiling. Damn man... I think its unprecedented.
 
The guy coaching SMU now.....Andy Enfield.....a few years ago HE was the McCullum of the college bball world. What did he do at USC??? Now he's at SMU?? Not saying BM would end up following in the same path, but we see this over and over. The flavor of the month. Archie was INDEED the flavor of the month that year. I would get behind a BM hire, but it sure is a risk.
 
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The guy coaching SMU now.....Andy Enfield.....a few years ago HE was the McCullum of the college bball world. What did he do at USC??? Now he's at SMU?? Not saying BM would end up following in the same path, but we see this over and over. The flavor of the month. Archie was INDEED the flavor of the month that year. I would get behind a BM hire, but it sure is a risk.
Such BS. He had that lob city team that everyone was excited about. He didn't have ALL the easily transferable, verifiable, success with his approach and principles that McCollum has.

These lazy comparisons are so dumb.
 
Greatest part of the interview to me was this 3 or 4 minute stretch about what he does best and his process.

Can you imagine someone at IU, that truly has that ability and that approach? We'd literally have rosters chalked full of Victor Olidiopos, every year. It wouldn't be some sort of diamond in the rough accidental luck...

Maybe Brownell carries some of these similar philosophies, and it just hasn't translated to P4 basketball until the last couple years...because he's been in a tough spot at Clemson, in the ACC? But I kinda doubt it. 12+ years for someones philosophy and approach to finally take root, and show successes...I don't know man... doesn't seem like something overly reliable.
 
Can you imagine someone at IU, that truly has that ability and that approach? We'd literally have rosters chalked full of Victor Olidiopos, every year. It wouldn't be some sort of diamond in the rough accidental luck...

Maybe Brownell carries some of these similar philosophies, and it just hasn't translated to P4 basketball until the last couple years...because he's been in a tough spot at Clemson, in the ACC? But I kinda doubt it. 12+ years for someones philosophy and approach to finally take root, and show successes...I don't know man... doesn't seem like something overly reliable.
I hope Brownell is a smoke screen. Like someone else said, if it's really down to Brownell and McCollum, let's get Brownell a raise at Clemson and sign McCollum.
 
Can you imagine someone at IU, that truly has that ability and that approach? We'd literally have rosters chalked full of Victor Olidiopos, every year. It wouldn't be some sort of diamond in the rough accidental luck...

Maybe Brownell carries some of these similar philosophies, and it just hasn't translated to P4 basketball until the last couple years...because he's been in a tough spot at Clemson, in the ACC? But I kinda doubt it. 12+ years for someones philosophy and approach to finally take root, and show successes...I don't know man... doesn't seem like something overly reliable.
I don't put a lot of weight on IU's "resources" being a difference maker for a coach with a long record. Woodson had every resource he wanted (and some that he rejected) and what good did it do? If a guy can coach, he'll show it using whatever resrouces he has.
 
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I don't put a lot of weight on IU's "resources" being a difference maker for a coach with a long record. Woodson had every resource he wanted (and some that he rejected) and what good did it do? If a guy can coach, he'll show it using whatever resrouces he has.
I agree with that. Brownell has had access to a D1 level talent pool for 15 years. I guess its possible the new portal dynamics have changed things for him. His last few Clemson teams point to that being a possibility. But I don't think the first 12 Clemson teams can be ignored. That shows his process, talent evaluation, etc... are flawed... at least with elite, championship level expectations as the reference point. There are tons of examples of traditional football schools rising up and having elite success, tons of non traditional basketball schools becoming elite... he had those same opportunities at Clemson.

IU's resources probably will get him in more living rooms, but he's already proven, way more than he hasn't, that his approach, the guys he can get, all of it, doesn't lead to consistent, high levels of success. I cant fathom Dolson thinking it would be enough different at IU, to take him over guys like McCollum.

Obviously we have no idea how all that would come to pass though. Maybe McCollum wouldn't be interested. Sounds like he's turned down "bigger" jobs than he's had thus far.
 
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I don't put a lot of weight on IU's "resources" being a difference maker for a coach with a long record. Woodson had every resource he wanted (and some that he rejected) and what good did it do? If a guy can coach, he'll show it using whatever resrouces he has.
And McCollum has been doing that at previous stops. Now get him more resources to leverage and let him keep grinding through the process, but now at a higher level to achieve results. Woodson wasn't very interested in leveraging the resources he had (as you note) in an effort to achieve results, so they were wasted.

And I'm not saying McCollum is the only guy who could do that here, just that he is one that could.
 
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If Dolson does hire Brownell...basically that would put him in the category that the host, and McCollum, refer to as an AD that doesn't really know what a good basketball coach looks like. And is allowing other influences to drive his decision. And it would completely change my view of how he ended up with Cignetti...to the possibility that he just got lucky.
 
Such BS. He had that lob city team that everyone was excited about. He didn't have ALL the easily transferable, verifiable, success with his approach and principles that McCollum has.

These lazy comparisons are so dumb.
You should be nicer.

I think it's an excellent comparison. Actually, one could make the argument that AE was, at the time, a much more accomplished coach with a better resume than BM has today. He had NBA coaching experience as an assistant, assistant coach at FSU for 5 years IIRC, a tournament run under his belt.

Every year there are the hot-shot, can't miss, young up-and-comers that people rave about. U of L struck gold, or it appears so far, with their hire. We whiffed on Archie. I would be interested in some solid stats that address this type of situation.

I think BM is a risk. More so than many other candidates. There is definitely potential, but it's a pretty good risk.

I also am not the one advocating for some stupid-a$$ "Bat Man and Robin" tag team hire consisting of McDermott and Huss or Mr. White and Crutchfield or whatever shizz you have spewed a few times here lately. Like any coach worth his salt wants to be told/advised who he should hire on his staff. If I were a prospective candidate and an arrangement like that was suggested to me in the hiring process, it would raise a huge red flag with me in regards the competence of management and the validity of the position.
 
The guy coaching SMU now.....Andy Enfield.....a few years ago HE was the McCullum of the college bball world. What did he do at USC??? Now he's at SMU?? Not saying BM would end up following in the same path, but we see this over and over. The flavor of the month. Archie was INDEED the flavor of the month that year. I would get behind a BM hire, but it sure is a risk.
No, he isn't this year's Enfield. You are clueless to the accomplishments of McCollum. Enfield was more like an Archie Miller. He had one run in the tournament where he caught lightening in a bottle and cash it in for big money.
 
Actually, one could make the argument that AE was, at the time, a much more accomplished coach with a better resume than BM has today. He had NBA coaching experience as an assistant, assistant coach at FSU for 5 years IIRC, a tournament run under his belt.
One could make that argument, but I don't think many people would buy into it.
 
I don't put a lot of weight on IU's "resources" being a difference maker for a coach with a long record. Woodson had every resource he wanted (and some that he rejected) and what good did it do? If a guy can coach, he'll show it using whatever resrouces he has.
I disagree. I think Woodson lost resources (McNeely, Haralson, Mullins) due to his lack of coaching prowess. Whether that be in his actual recruitment of players (rumors of calling people by their wrong names, not keeping in contact with prospects) or just by running a crappy offense, I think CMW squandered a good opportunity here.

Just think of the names that were strongly considering IU that past 4 years. If we had a "knock-out" coach, think of some of the teams/talent that could have been on the floor wearing Cream and Crimson in the past several years. Queen, Bidunga, McNeely just this year alone....Now you don't win all recruiting battles, but the right coach would have reeled in several of these guys.
 
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You should be nicer.

I think it's an excellent comparison. Actually, one could make the argument that AE was, at the time, a much more accomplished coach with a better resume than BM has today. He had NBA coaching experience as an assistant, assistant coach at FSU for 5 years IIRC, a tournament run under his belt.

Every year there are the hot-shot, can't miss, young up-and-comers that people rave about. U of L struck gold, or it appears so far, with their hire. We whiffed on Archie. I would be interested in some solid stats that address this type of situation.

I think BM is a risk. More so than many other candidates. There is definitely potential, but it's a pretty good risk.

I also am not the one advocating for some stupid-a$$ "Bat Man and Robin" tag team hire consisting of McDermott and Huss or Mr. White and Crutchfield or whatever shizz you have spewed a few times here lately. Like any coach worth his salt wants to be told/advised who he should hire on his staff. If I were a prospective candidate and an arrangement like that was suggested to me in the hiring process, it would raise a huge red flag with me in regards the competence of management and the validity of the position.
Then you're not open to critically thinking about what's new these days, what's working these days, how to tackle and manage the NIL and portal dynamics better these days. Which is fine. I hope Dolson is more open to considering it.

I bet Dan Hurley and Bruce Pearl are glad they were open to those approaches.

All of those out of the box approaches are infinitely better than hiring retread Brad Brownell/Chris Collins type guys...just because they've managed to not get fired at a P4 school for over a decade. And that makes some feel more "comfortable". Its absurd.

Beard, May, McCasland...great, I'm excited, lets go.

McCasland is probably the only one I'd choose of those guys above McCollum. But I'd still be excited, and not overly disappointed about it not being McCollum. That's after obvious guys like Stevens, Pearl, Oats, Wright, etc...

This whole "we can't risk it" line of thought is so stupid. EVERYONE behind those obvious guys we aren't likely getting...is a risk of some sort.
 
I disagree. I think Woodson lost resources (McNeely, Haralson, Mullins) due to his lack of coaching prowess. Whether that be in his actual recruitment of players (rumors of calling people by their wrong names, not keeping in contact with prospects) or just by running a crappy offense, I think CMW squandered a good opportunity here.

Just think of the names that were strongly considering IU that past 4 years. If we had a "knock-out" coach, think of some of the teams/talent that could have been on the floor wearing Cream and Crimson in the past several years. Queen, Bidunga, McNeely just this year alone....Now you don't win all recruiting battles, but the right coach would have reeled in several of these guys.
I would agree -- I more meant that Woodson had pretty much all the resources he would need to get players like that, but he missed on them for reasons that had to do with his approach and effort, he was not constrained by lack of resources.
 
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No, he isn't this year's Enfield. You are clueless to the accomplishments of McCollum. Enfield was more like an Archie Miller. He had one run in the tournament where he caught lightening in a bottle and cash it in for big money.
I'm not bagging on McCullum but the fact is, he hasn't done it in D1 with the exception of this year. One could easily make a sensible argument that DeVries had him set up for this year's success. The guy might turn out to be dynamite at the D1 level but it's big risk. We see it almost every single year. I acknowledge his dominance at D2 but at IU he would be in a big-time spotlight and in a whole different situation than what he's in now. Risk, plain and simple.

There were several schools after Enfield. He was considered the next "basketball genius" by many and he had his pick amongst several prominent D1 offers.

I hoot a little bit about Brownell, although I think McDermott is actually a better candidate when you consider the longevity of his success. I think Shaka Smart and Chris Collins both would be "less risky" than BM.
 
I'm not bagging on McCullum but the fact is, he hasn't done it in D1 with the exception of this year. One could easily make a sensible argument that DeVries had him set up for this year's success. The guy might turn out to be dynamite at the D1 level but it's big risk. We see it almost every single year. I acknowledge his dominance at D2 but at IU he would be in a big-time spotlight and in a whole different situation than what he's in now. Risk, plain and simple.

There were several schools after Enfield. He was considered the next "basketball genius" by many and he had his pick amongst several prominent D1 offers.

I hoot a little bit about Brownell, although I think McDermott is actually a better candidate when you consider the longevity of his success. I think Shaka Smart and Chris Collins both would be "less risky" than BM.
What did DeVries do to "set him up"? Nearly the entire Drake team from the prior year left. DeVries as not overly helpful to McCollum in the transition.

Drake itself has been a solid MVC program, for years. So was it the program itself that "set McCollum up"... wouldn't IU provide something similar?
 
Then you're not open to critically thinking about what's new these days, what's working these days, how to tackle and manage the NIL and portal dynamics better these days. Which is fine. I hope Dolson is more open to considering it.

I bet Dan Hurley and Bruce Pearl are glad they were open to those approaches.

All of those out of the box approaches are infinitely better than hiring retread Brad Brownell/Chris Collins type guys...just because they've managed to not get fired at a P4 school for over a decade. And that makes some feel more "comfortable". Its absurd.

Beard, May, McCasland...great, I'm excited, lets go.

McCasland is probably the only one I'd choose of those guys above McCollum. But I'd still be excited, and not overly disappointed about it not being McCollum. That's after obvious guys like Stevens, Pearl, Oats, Wright, etc...

This whole "we can't risk it" line of thought is so stupid. EVERYONE behind those obvious guys we aren't likely getting...is a risk of some sort.
I'm not in the "we can't risk it" camp. If we are in this position 4 years from now, it would suck but it wouldn't be much different than what we are facing today. All I'm saying is there is more inherent risk with the up and coming hot name of the year and they seem to be out there every single year.

BM might turn out to be one of the best coaches in the history of NCAA basketball before it's all said and done, or he could just as easily be the next AE, Archie Miller, Kevin Keats.

I don't look at BB, CC or some of the others on that tier as being retreads. I think they have done remarkably well within the environment that they have existed and would expect ANY of them to be in better position for success at IU than where they are now.

If BM is the guy, I will be all about it and will support it with fingers crossed, but I won't deny the risk that is involved if he's the pick.
 
I'm not in the "we can't risk it" camp. If we are in this position 4 years from now, it would suck but it wouldn't be much different than what we are facing today. All I'm saying is there is more inherent risk with the up and coming hot name of the year and they seem to be out there every single year.

BM might turn out to be one of the best coaches in the history of NCAA basketball before it's all said and done, or he could just as easily be the next AE, Archie Miller, Kevin Keats.

I don't look at BB, CC or some of the others on that tier as being retreads. I think they have done remarkably well within the environment that they have existed and would expect ANY of them to be in better position for success at IU than where they are now.

If BM is the guy, I will be all about it and will support it with fingers crossed, but I won't deny the risk that is involved if he's the pick.
Who's denying the risk?
 
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His last few Clemson teams point to that being a possibility. But I don't think the first 12 Clemson teams can be ignored.
That is the big elephant in the room with BB. That is why I think McDermott is a better candidate (if he's interested). If BB is being interviewed, I'm sure a lot of the focus would be just that; for him to explain if he has turned it around, if so, why/how and can how can he assure that his teams would look like his teams of the past two years and not the previous 13.

Yes, in theory he had access to the same D1 talent that every other coach has, but it's a lot easier to recruit to the IU's of the world than it is to a school like Clemson. That's the reality.
 
I'm not in the "we can't risk it" camp. If we are in this position 4 years from now, it would suck but it wouldn't be much different than what we are facing today. All I'm saying is there is more inherent risk with the up and coming hot name of the year and they seem to be out there every single year.

BM might turn out to be one of the best coaches in the history of NCAA basketball before it's all said and done, or he could just as easily be the next AE, Archie Miller, Kevin Keats.

I don't look at BB, CC or some of the others on that tier as being retreads. I think they have done remarkably well within the environment that they have existed and would expect ANY of them to be in better position for success at IU than where they are now.

If BM is the guy, I will be all about it and will support it with fingers crossed, but I won't deny the risk that is involved if he's the pick.
I bet we could get beard or will wade but both also have risk. IU wont touch them but what is the difference really we could be doing this all over again in four years anyway with mccollum or Bronwell. Wade and Beard imo would have to do something off the court to not make it past four years.
 
You keep saying you could make an argument, so I'll bite.

How did Devries set him up for this year's success?
I said that a sensible argument could be made, not that I was making it, but for you, I will give it a shot. Definitely not a stretch after I've seen some of the other angles being played on this board in the past.

Anytime a program has success, it opens eyes, draws attention, attention of recruits, boosters(NIL), coaches. Sure got BMs attention. Easier to keep momentum going than to push a rock which is at a standstill.

I'm not going to dig into the history of Drake NIL fund, it's not that important to me.

BM is more of a risk than a proven D1 coach, especially one at a P5 school. That is just the way it is. I used AE as an example and I feel like he's a solid one.
 
The guy coaching SMU now.....Andy Enfield.....a few years ago HE was the McCullum of the college bball world. What did he do at USC??? Now he's at SMU?? Not saying BM would end up following in the same path, but we see this over and over. The flavor of the month. Archie was INDEED the flavor of the month that year. I would get behind a BM hire, but it sure is a risk.
Its amusing to see how many failing coaches that are being compared to Ben McCollum.....who hasn't failed anywhere he's been.
 
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I bet we could get beard or will wade but both also have risk. IU wont touch them but what is the difference really we could be doing this all over again in four years anyway with mccollum or Bronwell. Wade and Beard imo would have to do something off the court to not make it past four years.
There is risk with ANY coach. Jimmy Johnson couldn't replicate what he did in Dallas once he got to Miami. Not even close.

There is some risk with Brad Stevens.

Beard and Wade would carry risk as well but I feel it is LIKELY that either one would have good success at IU. Obviously the off-court issues with both is the stumbling block.

More risk with the less proven guys. Dolson has to decide when that risk gets to be too much to take. If the up and comer works out, then longevity is hopefully the reward.
 
Anytime a program has success, it opens eyes, draws attention, attention of recruits, boosters(NIL), coaches. Sure got BMs attention. Easier to keep momentum going than to push a rock which is at a standstill.
Indiana already has all of that at much higher level than Drake, so if that's your argument he should be able to succeed here too.
BM is more of a risk than a proven D1 coach, especially one at a P5 school.
I don't disagree with you there. I don't believe we're going to get a proven D1 coach though, so if it's really down to Brownell or McCollum, that's why I say take the chance on McCollum rather than a D1 coach who has been on the hot seat at a football school.
 
Then you're not open to critically thinking about what's new these days, what's working these days, how to tackle and manage the NIL and portal dynamics better these days. Which is fine. I hope Dolson is more open to considering it.
I see it changing. I see programs implementing Program Directors, if you will, just for a certain program (basketball vs football). That's the way this thing is going and I think it's necessary.

I don't think trying to steer a new coach into hiring a specific assistant is a wise move. A coach is hired b/c the AD trusts him to lead the program. The AD needs to let him do just that and trust that he will bring in the right staff without being pushed toward this guy or that guy.
 
One of the primary concerns--justifiably so--is BM's lack of D1 experience. But here's the thing: IU won't get another bite at the apple ... it's McCollum now, or McCollum never.

Not making an argument with this post ... just stating a (likely) fact. If Dolson is sold of BM, he'd better grab him now. But who knows, maybe Dolson isn't even considering him? I put zero stock in "reports."

Winning 4 national championships at the D2 level and then (probably) going to win 30 games his first year in D1, all by the age of 43.

I would put a very large amount of money we have been in contact with his people.
 
Like watching grass grow, which if he wins, is good with me.
In the interview posted in the OP, he talks about adjusting his style of play to fit what needs to be done this year in order to win. Basically, he's saying he doesn't have the horses to run and needs to value every possession to win.
 
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