Mask Mandate on planes and trains OVA
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Now this...smh
6abc.com
Philadelphia's indoor mask mandate returns: Everything you should know
Starting Monday, masks are now required in all public indoor spaces in Philadelphia.
Looks like the Biden admin won't fight it. I suspect it dies in silence.
It expired yesterday but had been extended by two weeks to see if the increase in cases in certain locations was cause for concern.
I have despised wearing a mask from day one and looked forward to the day I don't have to.
My response to this will be situational.
Not wear one and generally keep some distance where possible and put the damned thing back on in close quarters with strangers...especially where the Bubba-o-meter is high.
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anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa
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Look again. They have to try to save face and ensure that CDC has arbitrary powers again.
DOJ appeals federal ruling on transportation mask mandate | CNN Politics
The Justice Department on Wednesday appealed a ruling by a federal judge that struck down the mask mandate for mass transportation, following a recommendation by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Look again. They have to try to save face and ensure that CDC has arbitrary powers again.
DOJ appeals federal ruling on transportation mask mandate | CNN Politics
The Justice Department on Wednesday appealed a ruling by a federal judge that struck down the mask mandate for mass transportation, following a recommendation by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.www.cnn.com
The ruling has to be challenged. The CDC has to be allowed to make policy in public health, if not now then for when the next public health emergency arises.
Either the numbers allow government action or they don't. The CDC doesn't get to play "Simon Sez."
If 1,000 people get the newest variant of Covid and nobody dies, the CDC will never get the courts to just empower them to tell folks what to do.
And if the mandate was gonna expire in 2 weeks anyway, this is just stupid politics.
Biden just lost votes.
November is coming.
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anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa
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Completely disagree - but at a more nuanced level. The CDC is not qualified to make a full spectrum mandate based on what they perceive - or continue to perceive - as a public health emergency.
They are not equipped with the faculties necessary to gauge choices and trade-offs. They cannot be trusted - not because they are bad people - but because they are unqualified - to not overcompensate and cost millions of people their jobs over something they deem to be an emergency.
The autopsy on COVID response will show massive government overreach - at first nested in good faith in the unknown - but soon devolving into politics and the need to be “right.” There is near zero reason scientifically why it’s ok to not wear masks in bars but are required on well-ventilated aircraft.
The CDC cannot tell us how to live. They should be an advisory board only.
So the CDC should not be empowered to make policy on public health in the future, due to questions about the scope and extent of their Covid response?
If that's the case, do we just shrug next time? Ask everyone nicely?
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anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa
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Scientists cannot make public policy. They are not equipped to do so. They should advise and it’s on our elected officials at state and federal level to respond accordingly.
The CDC is headed by political appointees and their recommendations are, I'm sure, signed off on by elected officials. The CDC does not act independently.
Can you guys give the November is Coming signature line a rest? The line is played out.
Yes, it will be a ass beating, but the pseudo tough guy line really makes you look silly. Probably hard for some of you to type that with one hand while the other is down your pants.
Yes, it will be a ass beating, but the pseudo tough guy line really makes you look silly. Probably hard for some of you to type that with one hand while the other is down your pants.
Negative. It must stay. And you're misconstruing it. It's hopeful. A feeling of relief. Like getting your final hearing date for a divorce
So in other words; we should not base public health decisions in science but instead politics?
Seems to be a theme of yours.
Apparently Public heath policy is best left to a judge with a political ax to grind.
Public Health isn't about science as there are many factors involved which CDC is equipped to deal with. What impact will shutdowns have on different industries, how will people earn money with various efforts to shut down a virus, which is the best alternative when looking at the total picture, etc. This idea that science is the answer to public issues is wrong because science doesn't consider social impacts.
Maybe this judge looked at the law and found out CDC overstepped their authority. It will take many cases brought before the courts to determine which position will win out unless Congress starts living up to its responsibilities instead of letting the bureaucracy decide policy.
What is the scientific evidence that was given to the judge to suggest public health still required masks on planes for another 12 days?
Explain why the judges position is political. Or try, because I don't think you can.
Every law which permits emergency health orders requires proof of an emergency health crisis.
What is the crisis here? We’re told BY the CDC that 82% of people over age 5 have been vaccinated at least once. 90% of the most vulnerable - age 65+ - are FULLY vaccinated. 76% of people over 18 - FULLY vaccinated. Case levels are as low as last summer and summer 2020, and deaths are as low as the beginning in Spring 2020. The variant now is sniffles.
So you may be wrong about who is looking at the science and who is being political.
Do facts matter any more?
Can CDC do what China is doing and make us stay home indoors, patrolling the streets with robots? On a whim? Without evidence? Are you TRYING to support totalitarian government?
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anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa
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Social, economic, etc. CDC completely unqualified for such. Our elected leaders are cowards that want a paycheck - they’re not ready to be true leaders and this is Dems’ way of passing the buck to CDC. It’s unacceptable.
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anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa
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Oh please. Politics? No.
Full-spectrum decision analysis. Economics, health (including mental), defense, etc. Understanding all of the ramifications of a health-related proposed policy from a health crisis. Why on earth wouldn’t you advocate for such? Did you learn nothing from our COVID response? Those that lost their jobs and livelihoods over a virus only dangerous to the old and obese certainly did - they learned that we make stupid ****ing decisions because we’re led by idiots.
When something big and ugly appears again, going into crisis mode can and should happen. But as data emerges, adjustments need to be made and quickly. That didn’t happen once it became clear that COVID wasn’t Bubonic. And people suffered greatly.
Those that followed the science...science that emerged and evolved as the virus did tried to keep the politics out of it, but reading your post here (and your posting history) you can see the political agenda woven throughout.
Those of you that spent more time listening to Tucker carlson than actual scientists extended this mess well beyond it's necessary life.
The judge ruled based upon her interpretation of our "rights" (codeword of course).
My preference would be a ruling based on science. But I am not going to change the trumpers minds here.
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