Markus Burton…
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Doubtful we had gunn and cupps so we were good I was told.
The 5'10 PG ranked 170th in his class? Lol your ass would have had an aneurysm if that's who the staff had prioritized.
To be fair…he blew up late nationally. We all knew he was special up here. But even Notre Dame wasn’t on him until his senior year. He had an incredible summer, and then followed it up during his senior year.
He’s not overly efficient. But I do think he’d be good in Woodys system. He doesn’t need anyone else to get him shots…he can create for himself and others out of 1 on 1 action.
Seems Woody has missed on pg recruiting. Smith and Burton both would be a huge upgrade over X and Cupps
No I wouldn’t. I have said it many times, build a roster…top talent plus a core.
Mr Basketball should always get a look from IU.
Bullshit. Around the time I quit posting on this forum all you were doing was bitching about recruiting guys like Galloway and citing their ranking. I see you still haven't stopped whining, so what's new? Are you still a closet Purdue fan or have you finally come out yet?
Do you want to have a conversation or be an ass?
Wanting shallowly had nothing to do with his ranking, it was because he couldn’t shoot. His ft and 3pt percentages were brutal in high school. Hmmn
Can't ever have a productive conversation with a constant whiner.
Correct.
OP conveniently left out that he's averaging 16 points (on 16 shot attempts a game) and 4.3 assists (to 4 TO's/game). If you think IU's offense is problematic, you should see Notre Dame. 267 on KenPom, only P5 teams worse are DePaul and Rutgers.
I don't mind Markus Burton, but this hindsight, revisionist history bullshit is nauseating. Let Gabe Cupps shoot the ball 16 times a game and he'd have similar if not better numbers. Hell let anybody shoot that many times a game.
Have you watched the replay? Not even close to the same type player. Burton is a playmaker with the ball. Cupps literally does nothing on offense
Different kinds of players.
Markus is much shiftier, more dynamic with the ball, and without question is much more of a scorer and playmaker off the dribble.
Gabe is probably better overall defensively, facilitates ball movement better, probably a better passer.
Neither one of them is likely leading a nationally relevant program, without really good players surrounding them.
Put two quality guards around Cupps and it's a completely different ball game. Cupps was never recruited to be a a high volume shooter/scorer. If that was your expectation, that's on you. Having a low efficient/high turnover PG is exactly why ND's offense is as bad as it is.
Burton also has marginal talent around him, right now.
Cupps creates nothing on offense. Absolutely zero and he is a pg. Burton creates and scores on a team with zero help. He doesn’t have a Ware or MR to drop it off to.
Burton is better than Cupps and it’s not close, not sure what he is arguing
Cupps plays in a horrid system with zero perimeter help. Burton "scores" because he literally takes 16 shots a game.
Ehhh...different kinds of players. I've seen Cupps more than hold his own against players like Burton. But he does need guys around him that can make plays.
Better at what? Taking and missing a lot of shots? You're enamored with 16 ppg without understanding any of the context. There's nothing special about what Markus Burton is doing at Notre Dame this year.
He leads ND in:
minutes per game 33.4
PPG 16.7
Asst 4.3
Steals 2 per game
41.4% from the field (2nd out of players who play major minutes)
81% FT
Cupps:
22.2 min per game
2.7 ppg
1.3 asst
35.5 fg%
61.5 FT%
Who is disputing that Burton has better stats than Cupps? Literally no one. They play two completely different roles on different teams. But this idea that had we recruited Burton instead of Cupps we'd have a 17 ppg PG on our hands isn't based in reality. He's the leading scorer on one of the least efficient offenses in the country. Big deal.
He would be better than any PG we have is the point. We didn’t recruit him and we have a huge backcourt issue.
Is he or is he not a Purdue guy still? I've been away for a few years, coaching rumors always bring me back!
I’m not even remotely a PU fan. I just respect what they have going on and how they are doing things.
Markus Burton is the missing piece to this years team? You can't fix stupid, should have known after all these years.
Where did I say that? Please repost. We have zero guard depth, and he would be a nice player to have on our team. We lack production and bodies in the backcourt.
Next year we return Cupps and Newton as a guard . Galloway most likely moves on….but hey keep being short sighted
I liked him a lot when he was at Penn. Saw a ton of their games. If he came to IU I would have been very happy.
You said we should have recruited Markus Burton over Gape Cupps using stupid revisionist history. Keep in mind Gabe Cupps committed nearly an entire year before Markus Burton was on a single teams radar. IU's lack of guard play and depth has nothing to do with recruiting Cupps over Burton and everything to do with Woodson whiffing on every single guard in the portal. Markus Burton isn't saving this years IU team. He's a high usage/low efficient player on a terrible team.
So you wouldn’t want him at iu for 4 years? We are talking about a freshman.
Again an issue with how Woody recruits. Build a roster that can continue..revolving door of rosters with portal Isn’t the answer. We can agree to disagree on this…I would like to have him on our roster and you wouldn’t. That’s fine
He is a self-described non-grad reversible jacket guy that claimed he was going to switch the IU side of his jacket to PU cause they are winning and he felt IU fans had to learn pronouns (lol). He now says that he did not switch yet but still humps their legs on a daily basis.
I see you on HSN, welcome back.
don’t run from IU’s crazy liberal environment. You own it. Also tell me what you like about how Iu is running the program. All you want to do is jump all over anyone who isn’t happy with it
looking at Cupps stats, him and Galloway are some real outliers, most coaches' kids tend to be good shooters. they are such poor free throw shooters it's amazing. I'm sure Cupps hasn't taken a lot but still hard to believe. remember watching him and Reed Sheppard last year and thought Sheppard was overrated and Cupps was under rated.
Way to set up a strawman. Where did I say I wouldn't have him on the roster? Your entire spiel is that IU should have recruited Burton over Cupps using revisionist history. Cupps nor Burton is saving this years IU team and neither should be the starting PG for a team expected to compete for a conference title or make a run in the NCAAT.
This was simply your chance to bitch about something....again.....which clearly still is a common theme with you and I haven't been here in a minute.
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never did I say he would save this years team. Would he be better than what we have playing. Yes by a lot.
If you are only taking 1, yes you take Burton. We had an open scholarship, take both! Two Indiana PG’s that would have helped this roster a ton would be Smith or Burton. Woody should have taken JHS and Smith or Cupps and Burton.
