MAGA Coalition Falling Apart
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DANC getting curb-stomped already in 2025.
That makes him a pathetic combo of these two characters:
That makes him a pathetic combo of these two characters:
Award visas only to those jobs offering the highest wages and phase it down as part of a transition to a skills-based immigration system
The world has come full circle. Twenty is now a fan of Bannon and posting his X content.
"I will get Elon Musk kicked out by the time he's inaugurated. He won't have a blue pass with full access to the White House. He'll be like everyone else," Steve Bannon tells Corriere . "He's a truly evil person. Stopping him has become a personal issue for me. Before, since he's put in so much money, I was prepared to tolerate it. Not anymore."
The article is in Italian, that's the Google Translate version:
www.corriere.it
The article is in Italian, that's the Google Translate version:
Steve Bannon: «Elon Musk vuole solo i soldi, farò di tutto per tenerlo fuori dalla Casa Bianca»
L'ex stratega di Trump: «I lavoratori respingeranno il tecno-feudalesimo globale di Elon Musk»
This battle for the MAGA movement is fascinating. And while we could spend days on their differences, I would like to ask about a similarity."I will get Elon Musk kicked out by the time he's inaugurated. He won't have a blue pass with full access to the White House. He'll be like everyone else," Steve Bannon tells Corriere . "He's a truly evil person. Stopping him has become a personal issue for me. Before, since he's put in so much money, I was prepared to tolerate it. Not anymore."
The article is in Italian, that's the Google Translate version:
Steve Bannon: «Elon Musk vuole solo i soldi, farò di tutto per tenerlo fuori dalla Casa Bianca»
L'ex stratega di Trump: «I lavoratori respingeranno il tecno-feudalesimo globale di Elon Musk»
Both agree on furthering RW movements in other countries. While I'm sympathetic to the woes brought about by muslim migrants, and the right of people in other countries to resist that trend, that is about the only thing I'm sympathetic to.
How is furthering nationalism in other countries beneficial to the U.S.? Is the irony of an America-first agenda wanting to help strengthen Nationalism across the globe lost on everyone? Why? What is in it for us?
"I will get Elon Musk kicked out by the time he's inaugurated. He won't have a blue pass with full access to the White House. He'll be like everyone else," Steve Bannon tells Corriere . "He's a truly evil person. Stopping him has become a personal issue for me. Before, since he's put in so much money, I was prepared to tolerate it. Not anymore."
The article is in Italian, that's the Google Translate version:
Steve Bannon: «Elon Musk vuole solo i soldi, farò di tutto per tenerlo fuori dalla Casa Bianca»
L'ex stratega di Trump: «I lavoratori respingeranno il tecno-feudalesimo globale di Elon Musk»
It would be a very encouraging sign if Trump shuns Bannon and (once again) sides up with Musk. IMO, Musk has a really good sense of where we're off the track and what kinds of things we need to focus on.
Steve Bannon, on the other hand, is just a blockhead.
Wouldn't it be the height of hypocrisy, if the guy that promised to drain the swamp, went against the majority of his party/supporters in favor of the billionaire that gave him millions?
I am very fine with that. At the same point, Musk has a unique ability to make almost everyone hate him.
I don’t think his supporters view musk as the swamp. I think they view him as an outsider and like him. Like crazed I hope he continues to have influence and that gadfly bannon just fcks off.
Ftr, I'm not picking a side. I would say that siding with Musk would be antithetical to America-First.
In most instances, this would cost Trump political support. Atp, I'm not sure Trump is capable of losing support. I wonder why that is?
Edit: If there was something that would cost him politically, I would think siding with a billionaire at the expense of the working man would be it. Given that Bannon would be the mouthpiece of opposition vs MSNBC, is another wrinkle.
Support from whom? Trump got a lot of votes. From people like myself. People that wanted to see musk and others involved. I don’t think I’m alone. I think it’s a misconception to believe that it’s all these maga folks alone. And remember he won’t be running again
I’m not talking about one specific policy. I meant in general. And in response to crazed’s opinion on musk. If this was specific to the visa I shouldn’t have commented
I don't think he minds. In fact, I think he kind of relishes it. He's got a bit of WWE heel in him.
Ultimately, though, he isn't what matters. There are substantive differences at work in this. And, unlike the personalities involved, the substance matters a great deal.
You see Elon Musk as a "swamp" guy? Is that just because he's rich?
I'd guess that the vast majority of the people in the swamp despise Elon Musk -- or, at least the post-X version of Elon Musk. And I'd also guess that the feeling is mutual. Him talking about streamlining government operating overhead has to be like fingernails on a chalkboard to these people. They are they overhead.
He strikes me as somebody who hates bureaucracy, committees, protocol, pedigree, Assistants to the Deputy Assistant, etc.
Again, I'm not picking a side. I think lobbyists and the unelected exerting control over our government's decisions definitely fits inside the MAGA definition of the swamp. Whether, MAGA views Elon as such? I don't think they do, but they probably should. And to remain logically consistent, wrt H1B, they should side with Bannon...and they do.
Ah, OK. Well I just disagree with that. I think he has the swamp directly in his sights.
Somebody lobbying governmental officials to do X, Y, or Z doesn't necessarily make them a swamp creature. What Musk says he wants to do (assuming he's on the level about it) is totally anathema to the swampies.
It is certainly true that Musk favors more legal immigration. But he always has and has always been forthright about that. So has Donald Trump, frankly. Didn't he say something about a "big, beautiful door" to go along with his "big, beautiful wall"?
I get there are many people whose opposition to immigration makes no distinction between legal and illegal. But they aren't going to win the day. And if they thought they were going to, they weren't listening.
I think this is already the case. Bannon can spin as much yarn as he likes about how he’s a pure blood MAGA. He doesn’t hold a power position with this administration in the way that Musk does.
Bannon did say he wants Amy Coney Barrett off the Supreme Court. I do like that. She was always destined to blow up in our faces. No women in the law.
I don't think there is any way to say that definitively, at this point. Stephen Miller is still Trump's #1 point man on all things immigration, and he's been a very big proponent of reducing legal immigration. Miller is much more Bannon than Elon
When the dustup over H1B was percolating, I'd made mention of Trump's deafening silence on it.
He didn't make a huge deal out of it, because he knows it's a delicate issue for him. But he eventually ended that silence and voiced his support for H1Bs. If that's any indication (and I think it is), then I think we can expect them to embrace legal immigration.
And, besides, as a practical matter, you pretty much have to do this if you're going to crack down on illegal immigration.
The Breitbart wing of his base has been opposing legal immigration for years. I think this is going to be a big battle and we have no idea how it will shake out.
DeSantis now out opposing H1B for clear political reasons.
Ron DeSantis Slams H-1B Visas, Outflanks Donald Trump
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is using the furor over the H-1B visa program to move to the political right of President-elect Donald Trump.
www.breitbart.com
What is he lobbying for? What will the results of his control be? Will MAGA love 100% of it, maybe not, but they will a great deal of it. His crusades against woke mind virus, leftist controlled media, cutting fat from gov’t etc. have endeared him to many…how effectively he can impact anything remains to be seen.
This phenomenon isn't uncommon.
Everybody shares common purpose and sets aside any differences when they're on a mission to accomplish something: in this case, the objective was to win an election.
But those differences come right out afterwards....win or lose. And, really, it's probably worse if you have succeeded than if you hadn't (because then you'll still be sharing common purpose again soon enough).
And sometimes the differences don't occupy enough common ground for much compromise. In this case, I think the immigration hawks are going to have to be content to finally get something more done about illegal immigration (including at the border) than has previously ever been done. The stars are aligned for that. They may not like that and insist that it must go farther than that and into restricting legal immigration.
But, one way or another, they aren't going to get that. Either they willingly capitulate and don't get it...or they blow the whole place up, and still don't get it.
I was about to say that.
But I think he meant among Trump supporters. But I'm not one of Trump's supporters (although I'll support him when he's right about something). So I just left it alone.
I do not think the majority of American people want less legal immigration. They've become more and more opposed to the free-for-all that we've had. I think they're calling on government to do a better job securing the border, enforcing visa stays, processing asylum claims and cracking down on bogus asylees, busting crooked employers, etc.
Trump and Vivek both spoke about H1B during the campaign. The videos were posted.
If the biggest grifter (according to 2017 COH), isn't part of the swamp, then I think it’s because he's viewed as an insider that will right the wrongs (ala Trump), not because he's an outsider. If he's viewed as an outsider then people aren’t paying attention.
I agree, " being on the level" will be the metric. We shall see. Policies that benefit one's self at the expense of the working class is not a good start. And again, I'm approaching this from the MAGA pov.
I get it. And you are absolutely right that it would be a mistake to view the MAGA coalition through the same lens as the traditional old guard Republican coalition.
I can't even fathom, for instance, Bush or Reagan or Dole or Romney coming out and saying "We're going to ban automation at our ports...because the stevedores' jobs are just too important to risk." But Trump certainly did, because he got elected from a substantially different coalition than earlier Republicans relied on.
I was just stating a fact.
Rasmussen Reports Immigration Index - Latest Numbers - Rasmussen Reports®
Just wait til the dollars stop flowing. The "overhead" of the government is an industry unto itself. Yes, it should be streamlined, more transparent, and efficient.
But every time I've seen those words, somebody lost their jobs. Now, the MAGAs may not care b/c it's government employees getting their ox gored but there is a trickle down here that will affect a great many MAGAs. God forbid Elon discover we have enough weaspons already for chrissakes and not even that many people to sell them to anymore. What will happen if DOGE determines the best way to balance the budget, cut spending, etc. is to reduce the size of the defense budget by 30%.
So, will MAGA love it? I'm sure they'll say they do.
I don't think MAGA will like the CBS This Morning piece, if they see it.
Maybe they watched the debates?
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