Looks like the Supreme Court has another case headed their way...
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So what? Autopen signature is valid. You have quadrupled down on gullible and stupid! LOL!
More decisions coming from SCOTUS:
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US Supreme Court ending term with birthright, porn, voting rights
As the US Supreme Court winds down its term ahead of the summer break, there are a number of cases still to be decided.But a conservative-dominated appeals court upheld the age verification requirement, prompting the trade group to take its case to the Supreme Court, where conservatives have a...
More decisions coming from SCOTUS:
US Supreme Court ending term with birthright, porn, voting rights
As the US Supreme Court winds down its term ahead of the summer break, there are a number of cases still to be decided.But a conservative-dominated appeals court upheld the age verification requirement, prompting the trade group to take its case to the Supreme Court, where conservatives have a...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Birthright Citizenship case is 9-0. But I'll be conservative and guess that it will be 7-2 -- with Alito and Thomas dissenting. They're not going to overhaul that.
As far as porn age verification, I'm guessing that Texas will win that. I'll stick with the safe guess and say it's 6-3. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kagan joins the majority.
Not without a record of POTUS approval.
And we also need to quit thinking like an autopen is different from a rubber stamp.
Biden has said that he authorized all uses of autopen during his presidency. That ought to put an end to this whole thing. But, alas....
What the hell does that mean? Did he actually review and approve the pardons that were issued? That is the question. Approving the use of an autopen doesn't mean a damned thing unless you're an idiot.
What kind of record? Is there a record of Obama and Trump approving the use of autopen? Where are these records kept? All the President has to do is verbally authorize its use. There is no other record. As I've told you before, I've listened to the legal scholars on this and 100 percent think that everything signed by the autopen is legal and valid. It's a total joke and waste of time that anyone is still focusing on Biden's use of the autopen. I'm all for investigating the extent of the efforts to hide or minimize the extent of Biden's physical and mental decline. That's worthwhile and could lead to measures to ensure that the physical and mental condition of all Presidents now and in the future is known by being transparent about it.
The autopen is a big fat nothing burger with a large side order of nothing fries.
Exactly. It's frustrating as hell to see people focus on this when it's an absolute done deal that nothing EVER will come of the entire autopen (non)issue.
I don't know if he actually reviewed them. No idea.
But it's beside the point. In order for this to be any kind of justiciable problem, it would have to be demonstrated that Autopen was used without the authorization of POTUS. And the POTUS in question here has said that he authorized all of them. Whether or not he personally reviewed them doesn't matter...if he authorized them as he says he did.
You can try to argue that he's non compos mentis and thus can't make that claim, I guess. But that's pretty weak sauce.
He said that while senile. Even if he is lucid, I doubt he would know of all the pardons and other actions.
I have no idea where this goes if others took executive actions without Biden’s knowledge or approval. This is unprecedented.
The federal register.
It really depends on the document being signed. Records of official actions are not so haphazard.
It depends on the document. It also depends on Biden’s decisions.
You are begging the question and you are wasting time. The issue is whether Biden used the autopen or did somebody else do that?
So let me get this straight. Biden once told his staff that he approved the use of autopen. So a year later when he's laying in some bed upstairs with an IV drip completely senile and without a single clue as to what is going on his staff can issue any and all pardons they want even though Biden had absolutely no knowledge of them because he once said he approved of using an autopen? Is that really what you're arguing Crazed? Omg.
They had/have his approval. That's the point. He's made it clear that there are no actions he didn't (and doesn't still) approve.
Once he's said that, there is no issue. And he's said that.
He said he approved of all of them -- and he said this after they were all done.
You're not going anywhere with this lunacy until and unless he disclaims any of them. He's been offered that chance -- and he claimed all of them. And, well, that's it.
The pardons are and you can see them. Like you can see these: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/
All that you'll see are the Presidential Actions, including pardons, with the President's signature (done by him or autopen) and nothing else. The document itself is the result of the President's decision. If any pre-decisional documents exist, and many times there aren't (unless you count the drafts), they are typically destroyed. They're not required to be kept, with few exceptions.
Seriously though, if you want to spent time talking about Biden's use of the autopen, knock yourself out. I'm sure it's a complete waste of time that will result in absolutely nothing. I've wasted more than enough time on it already, to no apparent effect.
By the way, of course someone else used the autopen. That's how it works. They're used when the President authorizes them to be used. The former President has already made a statement that he authorized its use every time it was used. That ends this silly saga. On to the next!
I’m analogizing to authenticating a will. We can’t accept the statements of a known mentally disabled person. There must be corroborating evidence.
Still begging the question. We must know if Biden authorized its use in order to maintain public confidence in the office.
authorization and approval aren't what's germane. nor is use of the autopen. what is germane was whether he 1) actually was the person to give approval of each and every act. what evidence exists related to same. were there memos? writings? who witnessed this stuff. let's hear from them and 2) whether he was competent to know what he was doing. on each and every act.
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Read the above. The man was cooked. This has to be a matter of first impression and certainly worthy of investigation. it's sad our representatives are largely worthless
and no i don't believe anything will come of it for myriad reasons. legal and otherwise. that said i think we had weekend at bernie's and people other than biden were running wild
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Will be interesting to see if there are any retirement announcements tomorrow. Also Trump v. CASA is dropping.
Do we also need to get real about priorities? Or is it fine and dandy to dodge and deflect with red herring inanities?
Make no mistake the lesson the democrats took out of 2024 was forget moderating we need to go even further to the left and they have. This could be your ticked in 2028.
This from the guy who insists on written proof of a President declassifying anything.
Classic DANC. A whatabout comparing two entirely different issues with completely different requirements and processes.
His talent for wild conflations and unbelievably false equivalencies is unsurpassed.
It’s similar to DANC saying he shot 75 in a round of golf last week and someone chiming in with “no way, you only shoot 60 percent on free throws!”
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This one?
Supreme Court curbs injunctions that blocked Trump's birthright citizenship plan
The Trump administration wants to end automatic birthright citizenship as enshrined in the Constitution’s 14th Amendment.
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So let's see. Several courts rule exactly what we think, that the wording of the law in unequivicable that citizenship is a birthright. But one or two rule otherwise and throw people out of the country. So in 10 years it makes its way to the Supreme Court, and they rule for the obvious. What the heck do we do with the citizens who were booted?
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Supreme Court curbs injunctions that blocked Trump's birthright citizenship plan
The Trump administration wants to end automatic birthright citizenship as enshrined in the Constitution’s 14th Amendment.
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Live updates: Supreme Court limits nationwide injunctions, but leaves fate of birthright citizenship unclear
The Supreme Court ruled that individual judges cannot grant nationwide injunctions, but the decision left the fate of birthright citizenship unclear under an executive order issued by President Donald Trump.
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