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Looks like the Supreme Court has another case headed their way...

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The Biden extended family (along with several other folks) might be moving to Ecuador soon (no ext. treaty)... 😉😎
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The Biden extended family (along with several other folks) might be moving to Ecuador soon (no ext. treaty)... 😉😎
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At the end of the day, I don't care what's decided here. At this point though, going after the January 6 committee and the Biden family is a huge waste of time, given the shit show he's currently presiding over.
 

The Biden extended family (along with several other folks) might be moving to Ecuador soon (no ext. treaty)... 😉😎
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I don’t think there was any need to pardon them and dislike the idea of preemptive pardons, but signing them by autopen is nothing. They’re legal if Biden authorized that. President Trump made up the part about President Biden not knowing about the pardons. There’s no evidence of that and Biden talked about the possibility of those pardons two weeks before he did it. This is another nutty distraction.

 
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The Biden extended family (along with several other folks) might be moving to Ecuador soon (no ext. treaty)... 😉😎
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Clown Show post from the Clown Show president.
 
I don’t think there was any need to pardon them and dislike the idea of preemptive pardons, but signing them by autopen is nothing. They’re legal if Biden authorized that. President Trump made up the part about President Biden not knowing about the pardons. There’s no evidence of that and Biden talked about the possibility of those pardons two weeks before he did it. This is another nutty distraction.

I'm of the "Opinion" that Biden thought he was still a Senator throughout most of the last two and a half years of his Presidency... Every important decision, aside from what flavor ice cream Joe was allowed, appeared to have been made by someone else... Someday I hope we all get to learn who, or how many who's, were actually making those decisions...
 
I'm of the "Opinion" that Biden thought he was still a Senator throughout most of the last two and a half years of his Presidency... Every important decision, aside from what flavor ice cream Joe was allowed, appeared to have been made by someone else... Someday I hope we all get to learn who, or how many who's, were actually making those decisions...
Mike Johnson has made clear that there were at least some things Biden had no recollection or knowledge of signing.
 
I'm of the "Opinion" that Biden thought he was still a Senator throughout most of the last two and a half years of his Presidency... Every important decision, aside from what flavor ice cream Joe was allowed, appeared to have been made by someone else... Someday I hope we all get to learn who, or how many who's, were actually making those decisions...
There could be some interesting books that come out in the next several years. Money will always rule over loyalty.
 
There could be some interesting books that come out in the next several years. Money will always rule over loyalty.

Serious mental decline coverup
 

Serious mental decline coverup
Tapper’s book shouldn’t be entitled Original Sin; It should be How Ironical is it That I Wrote this Book?.
 
I don’t think there was any need to pardon them and dislike the idea of preemptive pardons, but signing them by autopen is nothing. They’re legal if Biden authorized that. President Trump made up the part about President Biden not knowing about the pardons. There’s no evidence of that and Biden talked about the possibility of those pardons two weeks before he did it. This is another nutty distraction.

Biden wasn’t competent at that point, hence autopen. It’s not hard to comprehend.
 
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Biden wasn’t competent at that point, hence autopen. It’s not hard to comprehend.
Are you really as dumb as you seem here? Did you miss the part that Presidents since Truman have used the autopen? That includes President Trump who used it to sign 30 or so of his Executive Orders. Try to focus really hard. Autopen isn’t an issue. If Biden authorized it for a bill, Executive Order, or pardons, they’re all good to go.

I told you I want no association with you. Don’t respond.
 
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Are you really as dumb as you seem here?
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Are you really as dumb as you seem here? Did you miss the part that Presidents since Truman have used the autopen? That includes President Trump who used it to sign 30 or so of his Executive Orders. Try to focus really hard. Autopen isn’t an issue. If Biden authorized it for a bill, Executive Order, or pardons, they’re all good to go.

I told you I want no association with you. Don’t respond.
I don’t think a facsimile signature is valid absent a clear extrinsic evidence that the official authorized the facsimile.
 

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Documents signed digitally are just as legally binding as documents signed by pen. 95% of the contracts I sign these days are done via DocuSign or something similar. So are my tax forms and such.

And there isn’t any evidence that Biden didn’t authorize the use of an auto-pen to sign these pardons. I’d be shocked to learn that these were executed without his knowledge and consent.

Another fake “scandal” from Trumpworld.
 
I don’t think a facsimile signature is valid absent a clear extrinsic evidence that the official authorized the facsimile.
If a President has authorized the use of an autopen, then the mere presence of an autopen signature on a document should constitute prima facie evidence that the signature was authorized, and the burden should be on those attacking the document to demonstrate otherwise.

To demand the opposite would be to reverse not only decades of common practice regarding the autopen itself, but also centuries of precedent regarding the administration of government in the English world, which since at least the time of British colonization, and more likely dating back even to the Normans, required multiple individuals to affix the approval of the monarch to various documents without the monarch actually signing them.
 
Documents signed digitally are just as legally binding as documents signed by pen. 95% of the contracts I sign these days are done via DocuSign or something similar. So are my tax forms and such.

And there isn’t any evidence that Biden didn’t authorize the use of an auto-pen to sign these pardons. I’d be shocked to learn that these were executed without his knowledge and consent.

Another fake “scandal” from Trumpworld.
Yup. If someone throws a fit it’s you just produce the original document
 
If a President has authorized the use of an autopen, then the mere presence of an autopen signature on a document should constitute prima facie evidence that the signature was authorized, and the burden should be on those attacking the document to demonstrate otherwise.

To demand the opposite would be to reverse not only decades of common practice regarding the autopen itself, but also centuries of precedent regarding the administration of government in the English world, which since at least the time of British colonization, and more likely dating back even to the Normans, required multiple individuals to affix the approval of the monarch to various documents without the monarch actually signing them.
Auto pen schmauto pen. An auto pen signature is not any different than my paralegal signing my name. The are specific rules about using facsimiles and copies in lieu of original material.
 
Documents signed digitally are just as legally binding as documents signed by pen. 95% of the contracts I sign these days are done via DocuSign or something similar. So are my tax forms and such.

And there isn’t any evidence that Biden didn’t authorize the use of an auto-pen to sign these pardons. I’d be shocked to learn that these were executed without his knowledge and consent.

Another fake “scandal” from Trumpworld.

Don't mind that .. There isn't even a constitutional requirement that a presidential pardon be in written form.

Clown show continues.
 
Don't mind that .. There isn't even a constitutional requirement that a presidential pardon be in written form.

Clown show continues.
I mentioned that in the other thread. However, the pardons could in theory be assailed if there were some evidence that he didn't authorize them, since on that issue, the presence of a signature would be irrelevant with regards to validity, and only bear on the possibility of fraud.

But, like I said to CO.H, I think some thousand years of precedent demands that the presumption of the law is that the pardons were authorized by him. Since the pardons were issued along with a memo and even, IIRC, a social media post, I suggest it is extremely unlikely the Trump partisans will be able to produce any sort of case that they weren't.

This entire exercise exists for the sole purpose of giving the Trumpers a boner.
 
I mentioned that in the other thread. However, the pardons could in theory be assailed if there were some evidence that he didn't authorize them, since on that issue, the presence of a signature would be irrelevant with regards to validity, and only bear on the possibility of fraud.

But, like I said to CO.H, I think some thousand years of precedent demands that the presumption of the law is that the pardons were authorized by him. Since the pardons were issued along with a memo and even, IIRC, a social media post, I suggest it is extremely unlikely the Trump partisans will be able to produce any sort of case that they weren't.

This entire exercise exists for the sole purpose of giving the Trumpers a boner.
There indeed might be proof that the autopenned pardons are valid.. But that proof will need to be a clear contemporaneous statement from Biden authorizing the facsimile signature.
 
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Don't mind that .. There isn't even a constitutional requirement that a presidential pardon be in written form.

Clown show continues.
Clown show?

Hunter: But judge, I have a pardon for these crimes.

Judge: show me.

Hunter: . . . . . . . . . . . .uh. . . . . .. . .

Judge: Mr prosecutor, proceed with the arraignment.
 
Again, no. I believe they must be accepted with a presumption of validity, and the burden will be on the prosecution to present evidence that they are not.
The prosecution must prove absence of a pardon? I think a pardon is a matter of immunity which defendant must prove if the prosecution doesn’t stipulate.
 
The prosecution must prove absence of a pardon? I think a pardon is a matter of immunity which defendant must prove if the prosecution doesn’t stipulate.
The defendant can't simply say, "I have a pardon." But they can produce one, and then I think it is upon the prosecution to attack it as invalid.
 
Clown show?

Hunter: But judge, I have a pardon for these crimes.

Judge: show me.

Hunter: . . . . . . . . . . . .uh. . . . . .. . .

Judge: Mr prosecutor, proceed with the arraignment.
Hmm, where were you in the classified documents debate when I said an ex-president who basically says, "if I have a document it was declassified even if no one knew it" couldn't work?
 
Are you really as dumb as you seem here? Did you miss the part that Presidents since Truman have used the autopen? That includes President Trump who used it to sign 30 or so of his Executive Orders. Try to focus really hard. Autopen isn’t an issue. If Biden authorized it for a bill, Executive Order, or pardons, they’re all good to go.

I told you I want no association with you. Don’t respond.
Biden wasn’t competent. He didn’t have the mental acuity to “authorize” it. You are dumb.

Have a good day brother.
 
Again, no. I believe they must be accepted with a presumption of validity, and the burden will be on the prosecution to present evidence that they are not.
Why would the burden be on the prosecution? Prosecutors bring charges to show a crime was committed. The burden rests with the defendant to show an out. Why would this be any different?

And hickory why are you liking posts on all this shit. You have no idea
 
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