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Looks like Erdogan officially staged this Coup attempt to strengthen his power

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We were all skeptical, given the rapid arrests, but it is now confirmed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...4910&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Following a failed coup attempt on Saturday, Turkish authorities on Sunday rounded up nearly 3,000 suspected military plotters, ranging from top commanders to foot soldiers, and the same number of judges and prosecutors.

"It looks at least as if something has been prepared. The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage," Hahn said.

"I'm very concerned. It is exactly what we feared."

An intelligent thought by someone on Reddit indicated that if this many people had actually been involved in committing a Coup, Erdogan wouldn't be around.
 
mjvcaj said:
We were all skeptical, given the rapid arrests, but it is now confirmed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...4910&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Following a failed coup attempt on Saturday, Turkish authorities on Sunday rounded up nearly 3,000 suspected military plotters, ranging from top commanders to foot soldiers, and the same number of judges and prosecutors.

"It looks at least as if something has been prepared. The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage," Hahn said.

"I'm very concerned. It is exactly what we feared."

An intelligent thought by someone on Reddit indicated that if this many people had actually been involved in committing a Coup, Erdogan wouldn't be around.
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Wow. If true that's pretty bad, and really could instigate even deeper conflict.
 
mjvcaj said:
We were all skeptical, given the rapid arrests, but it is now confirmed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...4910&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Following a failed coup attempt on Saturday, Turkish authorities on Sunday rounded up nearly 3,000 suspected military plotters, ranging from top commanders to foot soldiers, and the same number of judges and prosecutors.

"It looks at least as if something has been prepared. The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage," Hahn said.

"I'm very concerned. It is exactly what we feared."

An intelligent thought by someone on Reddit indicated that if this many people had actually been involved in committing a Coup, Erdogan wouldn't be around.
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Erdogan is gonna try and make Turkey the Caliphate seedling, with ISIS as his SA.
Gonna be a bloodbath.
 
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mjvcaj said:
Are you really scared of the Russians?
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Non sequitor, why would you impute fear on me? Channeling your inner Donald? Are you really scared of ISIS? You post like you are.

Erdogan is already reported to have had dealings with the Russians. Economic, military are both possible. Where does that put us in our fight against ISIS? Where do we base our air attackers? WHo then helps Europe stem the flood of refugees from LIbia? Turkey has huge geopolitical implications for the Middle East.
 
iuwclurker1 said:
Non sequitor, why would you impute fear on me? Channeling your inner Donald? Are you really scared of ISIS? You post like you are.

Erdogan is already reported to have had dealings with the Russians. Economic, military are both possible. Where does that put us in our fight against ISIS? Where do we base our air attackers? WHo then helps Europe stem the flood of refugees from LIbia? Turkey has huge geopolitical implications for the Middle East.
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I'm not familiar enough with Turkey and its ongoing issues to really have a definitive opinion. The facts that I know to be true are:

1) Erdogan is part of a more religious and socially conservative party, which opposes many ways of Western culture
2) Turkey has witnessed a significant increase in violence over the past decade, one that Erdogan was in power
3) Russian history with Islamic nations and factions is as bad as ours, if not worse
4) A rise in ISIS would likely mean more attacks against Russia and its citizens

I agree Turkey is strategic and of significant importance. I don't see why we need a military base there, given some of the others already in the region and I'm guessing that if we wanted to pay the Greeks a sum of money to utilize theirs, they would likely be quite willing.
 
mjvcaj said:
I'm not familiar enough with Turkey and its ongoing issues to really have a definitive opinion. The facts that I know to be true are:

1) Erdogan is part of a more religious and socially conservative party, which opposes many ways of Western culture
2) Turkey has witnessed a significant increase in violence over the past decade, one that Erdogan was in power
3) Russian history with Islamic nations and factions is as bad as ours, if not worse
4) A rise in ISIS would likely mean more attacks against Russia and its citizens

I agree Turkey is strategic and of significant importance. I don't see why we need a military base there, given some of the others already in the region and I'm guessing that if we wanted to pay the Greeks a sum of money to utilize theirs, they would likely be quite willing.
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All reasonable points. Turkey has a long history of secularism despite its large Muslim population. Erdogan has been largely cooperating with us. There's a strong likelihood he'll want to continue that, even under Sharia law. If we don't play friendly, then why not ally up with the Russians? Or the Chinese? I don't see that as in our interest.

We definitely don't want to batshit neocon crazy George Bush style and treat him like Saddam just because he purged a bunch of citizens. A stable Sharia Turkey is better than unstable Iraq, especially when it's out of our control.
 
twenty02 said:
Looks like they are going full on bat shit crazy Islamist.
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OK, here's where I go bat-shit conspiracy on y'all.

In the farthest back reaches of my mind I don't have concerns about Trump being in cahoots with Hillary . . . I have these little thoughts about Trump being in loose cahoots with Putin.

The proximity of Turkey to Russia, plus its proximity to Syria and the Assad regime, plus the current degradation of ISIS' military and administrative capacities all make me wonder about whether Erdogan has been working with Putin to destabilize NATO in exchange for Turkey's hegemony over the Levant and Russia's military support in crushing ISIS.

Trump's role? A distraction to the US discourse, of course, to provide cover for Erdogan and Putin in their other activities . . . .

I know bat-shit crazy, I admit it . . . but still . . . .
 
Sope Creek said:
OK, here's where I go bat-shit conspiracy on y'all.

In the farthest back reaches of my mind I don't have concerns about Trump being in cahoots with Hillary . . . I have these little thoughts about Trump being in loose cahoots with Putin.

The proximity of Turkey to Russia, plus its proximity to Syria and the Assad regime, plus the current degradation of ISIS' military and administrative capacities all make me wonder about whether Erdogan has been working with Putin to destabilize NATO in exchange for Turkey's hegemony over the Levant and Russia's military support in crushing ISIS.

Trump's role? A distraction to the US discourse, of course, to provide cover for Erdogan and Putin in their other activities . . . .

I know bat-shit crazy, I admit it . . . but still . . . .
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Someone on the right, maybe Erickson, has been complaining for a while about Trumps cozy relationship with Putin, and the lack of press coverage to this point. Apparently a lot of the trumpbots in online forums, etc are originated from Moscow. His campaign manager, Manafort, was previously working for the pro Russian Ukraine (former) president.

So you aren't the only one with conspiracy theories on this subject.
 
Sope Creek said:
OK, here's where I go bat-shit conspiracy on y'all.

In the farthest back reaches of my mind I don't have concerns about Trump being in cahoots with Hillary . . . I have these little thoughts about Trump being in loose cahoots with Putin.

The proximity of Turkey to Russia, plus its proximity to Syria and the Assad regime, plus the current degradation of ISIS' military and administrative capacities all make me wonder about whether Erdogan has been working with Putin to destabilize NATO in exchange for Turkey's hegemony over the Levant and Russia's military support in crushing ISIS.

Trump's role? A distraction to the US discourse, of course, to provide cover for Erdogan and Putin in their other activities . . . .

I know bat-shit crazy, I admit it . . . but still . . . .
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Iluminatus!
 
iuwclurker1 said:
We definitely don't want to batshit neocon crazy George Bush style and treat him like Saddam just because he purged a bunch of citizens. A stable Sharia Turkey is better than unstable Iraq, especially when it's out of our control.
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Well, I doubt anyone is proposing that we attack Turkey. Still, some of the policies and things that have come out under him are quite adversarial.
 
twenty02 said:
Looks like they are going full on bat shit crazy Islamist.
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I'm afraid they might be. The have the military to back it up - 2nd largest in NATO. But which way do they go? Syria is run by a guy who jumped the Alawi reservation (nothing peaceful, tolerant and loving about that guy), but he is from an enclave of Alawi in western Syria and southern Turkey, particularly Hatay Province on the border has a million Alawis, OTOH, ISIS is run by adherents to Wahabist doctrine of Sunni Islam. So which does Erdogan pick? He's a Sunni as, technically, are 90% of Turks. Then, over to their left as they face south are Kurds who are mostly Sunni, spread across southeastern Turkey, Northern Syria, Northern Iraq and Northern Iran. In Turkey, Kurds number more than 14 million.

Erdogan is strong enough and ruthless enough to go kill his opponents. Yes, Turkey has no death penalty but....

The best thing for Turkey would be if Erdogan met with misfortune.

I fear civil war if he tries to impose his will by force.
 
Sope Creek said:
OK, here's where I go bat-shit conspiracy on y'all.

In the farthest back reaches of my mind I don't have concerns about Trump being in cahoots with Hillary . . . I have these little thoughts about Trump being in loose cahoots with Putin.

The proximity of Turkey to Russia, plus its proximity to Syria and the Assad regime, plus the current degradation of ISIS' military and administrative capacities all make me wonder about whether Erdogan has been working with Putin to destabilize NATO in exchange for Turkey's hegemony over the Levant and Russia's military support in crushing ISIS.

Trump's role? A distraction to the US discourse, of course, to provide cover for Erdogan and Putin in their other activities . . . .

I know bat-shit crazy, I admit it . . . but still . . . .
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Its Not crazy, Sope. The Ottoman Empire covered all the middle east once. Difficult - more than the Ottomans coming to power there, but not crazy. Im worried - posted below - about who chooses what side. He's Sunni as are ISIS and most Kurds Not many Shia'a, millions of Alawi and Alevi in the border regions.
Sope Creek said:
Hasn't he already precluded that by staging a false coup and grim-reaping those most likely to participate and provide philosophical support in opposing him?
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He's tried to, but if he must resort to force to undertake the next steps, I don't believe he is assured of success. However, we DO NOT know that. There are 14 million Kurds in Turkey who hate him and have a small army. It may depend on whether the army would follow such orders to enforce Islamism on a country that has been secular by its Constitution since 1921 and which has, 3 times since 1960, removed a head of state who strayed to far from that. But we sure do not know right now.
 
Erdogan is such a loser. Per the Wiki Leak's emails, ISIS is managed by Israel and Mi6 and he blames the Zionists for most of the problems in the country.

This guy is just another Islamic nutjob with control over too many sheeple.
 
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The Original Happy Goat said:
I mean, we all know you like to necro, but nearly 9 years is one helluva necro.
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JamieDimonsBalls said:
The search function makes it easy. I wasn't scrolling back through time.
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You gave me some ideas for when time frees up though.

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