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Looks like Brownell?……

I enjoy BTBs......over 2100 page thread with 41000 replies and 2600000 views.....btw, ap2345 says we've are landing a big fish.
it's been fun, almost exhausting, to follow that thread. But the wind has changed directions on that thread so many times, it's reached the point of just entertainment. Brad Stevens himself could join the thread and say he's coming, and I wouldn't believe it. Strictly for amusement now.
 
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it's been fun, almost exhausting, to follow that thread. But the wind has changed directions on that thread so many times, it's reached the point of just entertainment. Brad Stevens himself could join the tread and say he's coming, and I wouldn't believe it. Strictly for amusement now.


O ye of little faith. If you can't trust ap2345 who can you trust?
 
O ye of little faith. If you can't trust ap2345 who can you trust?
my head will explode if I see one more meme of a large white whale.

edit- sounds like Donovan is back in Monroe County looking at horse farms with an agent. Is FPeaugh on BTB under another alias?

rewatching the same movie from years ago.
 
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Seems like a 'high floor, low ceiling' kind of guy.

0 regular season ACC championships, 0 appearances in the ACC tourney final game since he's been there. Before you say "Yes, but UNC, Duke, Virginia..." in the same time frame FSU has 3 appearances, GT 2, with one each for Miami, ND, and VT. .5.....33 win% in ACC play.

Good to very good results at UCC Wilmington & Wright State before Clemson. Very mediocre results in his first 11 years at Clemson. 4 NCAAs in 12 years.

Admittedly, very good results the last two years.....50-17 (.746) & 29-11 (.725)......Do you overlook the first 18 years in favor of the last two??
What is the explanation for the new success? NIL?? Or because of the specific mix with his current players?? Personal growth?? I don't follow them so I have no clue. But on the face of it, he looks like a Clemson, FSU, ND, Oregon, USC level hire until you convince Dull Son otherwise.
Anyone who has been a head coach for that long is what his record says he is. He won't do substantially better because we have more "resources." Look at Woodson. Good coaches find a way to win with what they have.
 
I most definitely would be disappointed in a Wade hire. All I'm saying about Pitino is it would make a big splash. Would make a lot of waves. Basketball wise, he is a dream hire on the same level as a Stevens or Donovan. Basketball wise.

Restored Kentucky and Louisville, culminated with banners. It would be quite the story if he completed the holy trinity of restorations with IU.

I'm pivoting to Jay Wright. 6x60 with a gm.
 
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Restored Kentucky and Louisville, culminated with banners. It would be quite the story if he completed the holy trinity of restorations with IU.

I'm pivoting to Jay Wright. 6x60 with a gm.
Offer JW a Saban deal: he'll always be the highest paid coach.
 
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So what you are saying is he is extremely average, sounds just like the guy IU should hire. Clemson has performed well this year, might be helpful they play in a conference that is absolutely terrible.

That being said I don't believe it will be Brownell, if it is it will most definitely not move the needle or excite the fan base which is a problem.
ACC is terrible. But Duke finished 17-1. Who was the one? Clemson made an E8 last year and is following up with one of their best years in history. I can’t believe we are that elitist as a fan base considering we have basically sucked for 30 years
 
ACC is terrible. But Duke finished 17-1. Who was the one? Clemson made an E8 last year and is following up with one of their best years in history. I can’t believe we are that elitist as a fan base considering we have basically sucked for 30 years
He's done some impressive things recently, to be sure. But he's been on the hot seat at Clemson (once for sure, maybe twice). Good coach, but I don't think he's a better candidate than guys like Cronin, Collins, and the like ... many of whom fans don't want. I focus more on his entire body of work.

Jmo.
 
Anyone who has been a head coach for that long is what his record says he is. He won't do substantially better because we have more "resources." Look at Woodson. Good coaches find a way to win with what they have.


2 1sts; 5 3nds; 4 3rds; 2 4ths; 1 6th; and 1 9th in 15 years in the BE. Not at Syracuse. Or Georgetown; Or Marquette; Or U Conn; Or Villanova; Or Xavier. At Creighton.
 
I compared "predicted results" to a Greg Gard at Wisconsin or Matt Painter at Purdue. I really wouldn't classify what both of those coaches have accomplished as "average". I think Clemson has passed the "eye test" at least the past two years. Not sure what he was doing before that.
I also think McDermott could find above average success here extrapolating what he has done at Creighton, into an IU setting with good NIL and homegrown ballplayers wanting to play for the state school.
I would love to have the cannon ball off of the diving board but not sure that is going to be in the cards this time around. Hopefully we will be surprised
Brownell is not in the same ballpark as Painter or Gard. Brownell is a safe mediocre hire, nothing more nothing less. He will have IU wading in the middle of the Big 10 for years.

McDermott is a nice coach not sure his style or his charisma would do well at IU. Creighton seem like the ideal place for him.
 
I don’t understand the hate toward Brownell. He has made people care about Clemson bball. That isn’t easy
His last three season records are pretty good and made the elite 8 last year. He’s also at a school that isn’t exactly known for bball. Let’s see what he does in this tournament. He’s also in the top 10 this year. There are worse hires out there.

He’s 56 so he’s experienced enough and he’s from Indiana.
 
I, also, do not understand all the Brownell hate around here. Is He the "big splash" hire that most of us dream about (the OTHER Brad, Pitino, Billy Donovan)? No he is not, but watch Clemson basketball the past two years and ask yourself if you would like to see IU playing ball like that. I know I would. I put him on the same tier as McDermott, Cronin, Shaka Smart, Chris Collins.....guys who have D1 experience and would surely do OK here at IU. As in "Gard Ok" or "Painter OK". Mabye not "Bill Self OK"

Brownell played with Cheaney at Evansville? Maybe they have a good relationship and CC would remain on staff? Guy knows how important basketball is in the state.

I was hoping for the Stevens, Few, Donovan type of hire but it looks like it's gonna NOT be someone in that tier.

With Beard, IU needs to first and foremost decide if he's hireable. If so, he is candidate #1. If not, then he's never a candidate. Not now, not if we get down to #24 on the list.

yeah, I recall the "What can Brown do for you" posts here prior to Archie.
 
yeah, I recall the "What can Brown do for you" posts here prior to Archie.
Being an Evansville native, I like Brad Brownell and think he is a pretty good coach. Was a good assistant under Jim Crews at UE. But I’m sure he is plenty aware of the expectations of IU basketball/fans. He might be very comfortable at Clemson (doing well also), and not want to start over. Clemson’s location is definitely better than Bloomington too. He would probably do fairly well at IU, but I personally dont think he would be interested.
 
I'd rather have about 12 other choices instead of this guy

No way. I wouldn't even consider him a candidate.

Come on Dolson.
You may rather have 12 other choices instead of this guy, but not all 12 would prove to be a better pick. Brownell is a bright guy and a solid coach. If all 12 of your hypothetical choices got to coach the same team next season, I bet Brownell would be top 3 or 4 in performance. And he could be 1 or 2. He’s good.

There may be more exciting hires. But Brownell’s floor is WAY higher than Arch, Crean, Woodson, imo. He played under Royce Waltman (former Knight assistant). He knows the game and will win at IU if given the chance.

One man’s humble opinion about someone I know quite a bit about.
 
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Seems like a 'high floor, low ceiling' kind of guy.

0 regular season ACC championships, 0 appearances in the ACC tourney final game since he's been there. Before you say "Yes, but UNC, Duke, Virginia..." in the same time frame FSU has 3 appearances, GT 2, with one each for Miami, ND, and VT. .5.....33 win% in ACC play.

Good to very good results at UCC Wilmington & Wright State before Clemson. Very mediocre results in his first 11 years at Clemson. 4 NCAAs in 12 years.

Admittedly, very good results the last two years.....50-17 (.746) & 29-11 (.725)......Do you overlook the first 18 years in favor of the last two??
What is the explanation for the new success? NIL?? Or because of the specific mix with his current players?? Personal growth?? I don't follow them so I have no clue. But on the face of it, he looks like a Clemson, FSU, ND, Oregon, USC level hire until you convince Dull Son otherwise.
High floor for sure. I don’t thing the ceiling would be that low, especially with IU’s NIL $. Brownell can coach.
 
ACC is terrible. But Duke finished 17-1. Who was the one? Clemson made an E8 last year and is following up with one of their best years in history. I can’t believe we are that elitist as a fan base considering we have basically sucked for 30 years
I have no idea who the one was? I'm going to assume Clemson? IU sucks and we beat MSU at MSU, miracles do happen.
 
Two things: First, I think McCollum has a higher upside and is a more consistent winner than Brownell. Second.....I think IU hires Brownell....and have thought as much for a couple of weeks.
 
I most definitely would be disappointed in a Wade hire. All I'm saying about Pitino is it would make a big splash. Would make a lot of waves. Basketball wise, he is a dream hire on the same level as a Stevens or Donovan. Basketball wise.
Pitino is scum tons of NCAA BAGGAGE
 
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Can we put Brownell to rest? 0% chance he is a candidate with his resume. Whoever from the media initially threw his name out did it for clicks
 
I get that. But he did pretty well his first yr in the league.
He got a couple key transfers but he had a lot of really tight wins, which I guess is good, but he cratered down the stretch. I know people on this board have a huge infatuation with him and people are all gonna have their candidate that they really like. I just keep thinking about his first four years as a head coach at FAU.

In the end, you hire someone who wants to be here. May didn’t wanna be here. May is not the type of guy that is gonna crawl across glass to come to IU. This connection is it was all the matter. That’s it as far as the state of basketball is concerned, it was reported that he told some insiders that he felt that the Michigan program was on more solid ground and had a higher ceiling.

He wants to be at Michigan and he sees it as a better opportunity. It’s great for him. Hope it works out.
 
We hope for better results than Painter. He fits Purdue, but I don't know that he would do much better if any at Indiana, so if that's Brownell tier, than no. Painter is good though, obviously.
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Hope for better results than what Painter has accomplished at Purdue?? I'm not going to go back and look up how many conference C-ships he's won in the past 10 years, or how many top 10 teams he's beaten in the past 10 years, but how many coaches are out there that we can expect those results from? Hell I would LOVE to have a Donovan, Few or Stevens, but that isn't likely to happen and it's gonna take a name like that to get "better than Painter-like results".
 
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