So once they get through the probationary period they can just prop their feet up, watch Netflix on their phones all day do no work, and never get fired?
That’s a hell of a gig if true.
Let the chaos begin!
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That’s a hell of a gig if true.
Of course not and he didn’t say anything like that. They can be fired immediately for misconduct like that. They can be fired for poor performance too. It’s a total myth they can’t be fired.
Yet a far cry from at will. Which applies to most of America. You come work for me. You don’t get probation. Notice. Nothing. If tomorrow I decide I’d rather buy a car than payroll you’re out. And that’s how most of the country lives
My parents were both public school teachers for almost 80 years combined. Not one has ever heard of a single teacher ever being fired for poor performance. I assume it’s the same in federal government.
Probation means they can be let go at any point during that period. They can be fired almost immediately for misconduct. They can be fired for poor performance, but the government has built in a process that allows them a chance to improve. If they don't, they're gone too. That's different than the private sector but Congress wanted those workforce protections in the law. If a union is involved there are some additional constraints like in the private sector. I don't think unions should be permitted in the public sector. The government isn't exactly like the non-union private sector, but it's a total myth that government employees can't be fired.
Wrong. When I was active duty and had civilians working for me, I fired two for poor performance. My guess is that most teachers are wimps when it comes to that sort of thing.
trust me I know all about it. As I said gov ees have protections, in law, and in practice, that non K at will private sector ees can only dream about. The only disadvantage is federal workers comp is dog shit. But gov ees are wayyyyyyyyyyy more protected than the vast majority of Americans. It’s another huge benefit they enjoy
like him or hate him. agree or disagree....
that was someone showing leadership and command of the room
can you imagine the former vp addressing that group?
I went to school with a guy who got fired from a federal civilian position. Don't know if he was probationary or not at the time. Must have been.
Anyway, they are firing thousands today. And clearly not performance related since it's blanket. I would assume some major class actions will be filed.
Lol….Europe is a bunch of “shithole” countries. @outside shooter I don’t discriminate
Anger, chaos and confusion take hold as federal workers face mass layoffs
Federal workers were responding with anger and confusion Friday as they grappled with the Trump administration’s latest effort to shrink the size of the federal workforce by ordering agencies to lay off probationary employees who have yet to qualify for civil service protections.
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I trust most will want a check and not reinstatement in all of the discharges. I’m sure this was contemplated. Seems musk’s MO
Anger, chaos and confusion take hold as federal workers face mass layoffs
Federal workers were responding with anger and confusion Friday as they grappled with the Trump administration’s latest effort to shrink the size of the federal workforce by ordering agencies to lay off probationary employees who have yet to qualify for civil service protections.
Many of these people take the jobs because they want to serve their country in some capacity. It's always at the top or very near the top of the responses for why they like their jobs in every survey I've seen.
Musk might have soured that a bit.
Vulnerable now like most everyone else. Welcome to america. Your job isn’t an entitlement
It sort of has been tho. Hasnt it? As long as you do your job, and don’t engage in misconduct, you can’t be terminated. How many people in the private sector don’t take vacations, work their asses off, and on a Tuesday are told sorry our profits were down. You’re out. Pack everything up now. Today is your last day. We’ll mail ur check. It’s a marked difference isn’t it
Would expect more of this?
For sure. Trying to circumvent RIF which is a pain in the ass. They’ll have to ultimately circle back and follow procedure
How many $Millions (borrowed) of Taxpayers funds were paid to AP again?Anger, chaos and confusion take hold as federal workers face mass layoffs
Federal workers were responding with anger and confusion Friday as they grappled with the Trump administration’s latest effort to shrink the size of the federal workforce by ordering agencies to lay off probationary employees who have yet to qualify for civil service protections.
Anyone?
Buehler?
Buehler?
Look…I loved the speech. I thought it was terrific. The people in that room deserved every word he said.
But imagine how much more credible it would’ve been coming out of Mike Pence’s mouth.
The primary differences between 1/6 and the Romanian election were (1) they had the imprimatur of a court to annul the election, and (2) they were actually successful overturning it.
Granted, the courts confer the annulment full formal legitimacy. But, in reality, it seems obvious to me that they just didn’t like the results. From what I read about it, the allegation that Russian interference was dispositive in the results has about as much credence as the allegation that the 2016 election turned on Russian meddling. Which is…not much.
Anyway, Vance doesn’t have the moral authority to be making that speech. He forfeited that as soon as he demurred on the question of whether or not Biden fairly won the 2020 election.
Probably. Which is a shame.
The blob has pretty obviously been designed over the years to be very, very hard to combat. It’s like the Godzilla of bureaucracy…and all of us pay for it.
No. I've explained that poor performers can and are fired. Done it twice. Then of course, it's even easier in the military to separate the bad actors and the poor performers. Done that as well.
Of course it's not the same as many private sector jobs. Didn't say it was. Of course, I couldn't fine a poor private sector employee half a months pay for three months and restrict him to the building for 45 days along with extra duty like I could on ships (change building to ship). I miss that . . .
In 2000 the federal government employed 1.8 million. In 2024, 2.4 million.
The share of the civilian workforce has remained roughly the same but the absolute numbers have risen considerably.
I guess my question would be, is it necessary that the government grows at the same rate as the population?
That said, I think all these people being laid off should get a decent severance package.
Hard to say. If you are in a public interactive job you probably need more people as population increases. Social Security admin, VA workers, etc....
I'll add there is zero severance for public employees. Doesn't exist. And it appears that all the probationary employees fired this week were also not eligible for the deferred resignation offer of 8 months pay. That was only for career status Feds
Five million paid 'contractors'.
With private armies, private air forces, construction companies, training and logistics, technicians, ad infinitum, all paid for by US taxpayers(borrowed).
Just like Shawshank, On the outside I was straight as and arrow and loved, I had to become President to become a Felon.
Given the highly scripted clerical nature of the govt employees I've interacted with, I would guess that AI should be able to streamline their workflows tremendously -- if the political will to do so is there. But I'm not at all sure that it ever will be.
I get the impression that many people view federal employment as a massive WPA.
What they lose in that government job,
They will more than gain by getting a better job in a better organization.
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Two months ago, something less than 20% of Fed employees were in their assigned workplace on any given day. Massive leased buildings, lit, air-conditioned, heated, leased furnishings, IT, sitting mostly empty and unused, at a cost of $Billions(borrowed).
Tangentially, dealing with the government online has become so much better over the years. I'm talking about the Indiana DMV, the Marion County Health Department (for a birth certificate), the US Treasury for purchasing I-Bonds, etc. If it wasn't for Intuit, we'd all be doing our taxes directly online for free. Lot's more that can and will be done in the future.
'..highly scripted clerical nature '..
What does that mean?
What is a clerical nature?
