Let the chaos begin!
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For clarity, many years ago, I made a post highlighting just how many people would become jobless if we cut the federal government by X amount. One of our local small government posters said something to the effect of, "Then pay them their salaries for life, I don't care, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the money we'll save by not having those programs."
Is that what you think. For years I said old mushy peas was being controlled by 20 something social workers. Squad politics. You think all of this is Elon? I guess. Trump is no wonk. I don’t believe any of this is his grand plan. I don’t think he thinks about much below the surface. Maybe you’re right and this is what musk bought. Or someone
The seperation packages was pretty common knowledge before Trump even won the election.
I do think Elon’s fingerprints are all over these recent EO’s. The halting federal funding is straight out of his Twitter playbook when he went in and started slashing vendors left and right.
But do not overlook the silent assassin Stephen Miller.
I would not even call this a buyout. From what it sounds like you can agree to resign in 8 months but continue to work from home until then. So the big benefit is 8 months of WFH to quit a Fed gov job? Can't imagine many going to jump on that unless they already planned to retire this year
@Marvin the Martian noted long ago that musk’s business practices may not jive with the mission and values and culture of gov. Bumpy stuff
Not very attractive for someone with a bunch of years, vesting, losing benes etc. someone in just a year or two maybe woot woot vaca time
The Office of Personnel Management posted the email with a headline “Fork in the Road.” The subject was the same one used by Elon Musk in November 2022 when he purchased Twitter, now called X. Musk told employees to commit to long hours at high intensity or leave the company. He is working with Trump on streamlining the federal government through what he calls the Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE.
And Musk found out that Brad was the secret FAA dude behind the New Jersey drone shows. He had to take a truckload of batteries to the Garden State to keep the fleet airborne. And he messed around with some cougars when he had down time. And here he is talking about 40-hour work weeks. Took him no more than 30 hours. He should have been out collecting eggs those other 10 hours. DOGE rules.
Layoffs suck.
That said 500k tech employees have lost their job since 2022. Mainly normal people.
The era of federal government employment meaning permanent job security is over.
Organizations in fiscal distress need to reduce headcount and get leaner.
Doesn't that happen in every admin change? Pretty sure all US Attorneys are replaced every time there is a change of party in the WH.
The government workforce needs to be shrunk down but in a timely manner. Don't replace retirees i.e.
The main problem I have is Congress has shirked their duties and let the bureaucrats and K street write bills and set directives. Let them retire out and don't replace them.
We also have an idiot populace that contributes to the problem the US has.
The main problem I have is Congress has shirked their duties and let the bureaucrats and K street write bills and set directives. Let them retire out and don't replace them.
We also have an idiot populace that contributes to the problem the US has.
Having been layed of and fired before I somewhat agree. But if they get a severance package there are plenty of jobs out there.
I was working as a Scientist in Microbiology for a fortune 500 pharmaceutical company when the vaccine contracts ran out. Company laid off over 500. I was least senior on my team and got 6 months severance package.
BTW @twety02, screw you for calling me a failed Scientist in a post a few months back. I was working on multi million dollar drug injection projects.
Federal workers in their probationary period get nothing but their last paychecks, a walk to the door and a goodbye, if they’re lucky.
I guess I figured they had better upfront.
When I started my pharma job I got all the benefits as soon as my sig was on the contract.
Not at all. Any federal worker can be let go in their probationary period which is one year in my experience. I’ve read some have a two year period. It’s a good way to get rid of those not up to the job. That’s not what’s happening here.
I think you are ruining the spin cycle for a certain (left) side of the news. Stoppit !
The Leviathan is currently paying somewhere around 5 million 'contractors '.
Added to the 2.2 million employees..the USA has been paying over 7 million people to administer the people's business.
The waste, fraud and theft is overwhelming, throughout the machine.
Can you imagine how sick and twisted your politics would have to become that you would celebrate 200k US citizens losing their job?
They aren't citizens. They are The Deep State!
And so? That's like 2% of the adult US population. A lower percentage than 60 years ago. 40% of them are veterans as vets get preference for every Federal job.
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That's just nuts. Every job I had other than the pharma job was a 90 day probationary period.
I've fought every company that violates state and federal employment laws. Most people are either ignorant or dumb, so I stand up and fight
I've fought every company that violates state and federal employment laws. Most people are either ignorant or dumb, so I stand up and fight
Fed employment probationary is 1-3 years.
Flip side is what they are attempting is pretty blatantly illegal. Probationary employees can be fired for cause quite easily ....but on an individual basis, for poor performance, etc....Doing blanket layoffs of every probationary employee is most certainly a violation of the law. But we know that laws are now only suggestions for this regime.
Only O4 and below get vet preference, but yes, there are a lot of vets in federal service. Especially DoD, FBI and other law enforcement jobs.
There’s a segment of MAGA who are on the train for just this reason. They love the cruelty and awfulness. It truly resonates with their core feels.
This has been obvious for a decade. There are just a lot of miserable people out there that want everyone else to be miserable along with them.
Misery love company. I don't put up with bullshit. I was fired from my first job because I complained about the fact I was salary and working Christmas with no extra pay while hourly people got time and a half and holiday pay.
Also have been laid off. At least then I had 100K available and my wife was working.
Wouldn't wish it on anyone. I was fine with Trump the first time. I've soured on him. Never really trusted him. He's no republican, that's for sure.
JD Vance is taking a lot of heat for his speech in Munich. The speech itself was fantastic. There's nothing he said in this speech that I disagree with.
His major theme is that if you embrace democracy, you have to embrace ideas and votes for things you don't like. And he excoriates (but doesn't name) Thierry Breton for having cheered the annulment of a Romanian election under EU pressure...and for musing about the possibility of doing the same thing in Germany (if the AfD were to prevail).
But, of course, the obvious rejoinder to this would be that Vance's own boss, uh, quite famously objected to, dismissed as rigged, and sought to have overturned an election he didn't like. And I think that's 100% fair to be throwing that back in Vance's face. In other words, Vance doesn't occupy the moral space to be the one to be saying this. It's really something that ought to be coming from somebody like Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.
But would they ever give this speech to Europe? Given John Kerry's odious remarks about social media not long ago, I seriously doubt that they would. I fear that Biden or Harris might be just fine with the idea that a Romanian election should be annulled if it didn't turn out the way they wanted (they claimed Russian interference, natch). Because the entire enterprise of this is thwarting populist political parties in Europe.
Shouldn't Europe instead be addressing the underlying causes that are driving people into the arms of populists?
Anyway....you be the judge. It's 19 minutes long.
His major theme is that if you embrace democracy, you have to embrace ideas and votes for things you don't like. And he excoriates (but doesn't name) Thierry Breton for having cheered the annulment of a Romanian election under EU pressure...and for musing about the possibility of doing the same thing in Germany (if the AfD were to prevail).
But, of course, the obvious rejoinder to this would be that Vance's own boss, uh, quite famously objected to, dismissed as rigged, and sought to have overturned an election he didn't like. And I think that's 100% fair to be throwing that back in Vance's face. In other words, Vance doesn't occupy the moral space to be the one to be saying this. It's really something that ought to be coming from somebody like Kamala Harris or Joe Biden.
But would they ever give this speech to Europe? Given John Kerry's odious remarks about social media not long ago, I seriously doubt that they would. I fear that Biden or Harris might be just fine with the idea that a Romanian election should be annulled if it didn't turn out the way they wanted (they claimed Russian interference, natch). Because the entire enterprise of this is thwarting populist political parties in Europe.
Shouldn't Europe instead be addressing the underlying causes that are driving people into the arms of populists?
Anyway....you be the judge. It's 19 minutes long.
