Knight era fans

[victorbear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984–85_Indiana_Hoosiers_men's_basketball_team

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989–90_Indiana_Hoosiers_men's_basketball_team

Yea what is your point I don't see any 9/10 losses there?????

 

[IU Scott]

Yes the shit hit the fan halfway through that big ten season. Todd told me that if an assistant coach called their room and nobody answered they were off the team!!! They went 8-10 in conference.

That was one team that really shouldn't have made the tournament but still did even with a losing conference record. I remember they lost to California in the first round that year.

 

[victorbear]

LOL. Yeh, analytics is why the mid-range game has gone by the wayside. Players now shoot better and from all positions. Coaches began using it to space the floor before analytics validated it's effectiveness.

That said, I do agree to some extent and for different reasons . I could live without the 3 point rule in the game.

Tom Allen was talking about analytics when he decided to go for it on 4th down against Michigan State I think instead of kicking a field goal to go up 6. So we were up 3 and he goes for it. Then he says that his "analytics" say there is no difference between being up 6 as there is 3. Wow. There's analytics for you.

 

[snarlcakes]

Knight certainly was mediocre at TT: never won a conference championship, never made it past the Sweet 16. Crean did more than that at IU. Knight's record shows he was capable of more, and he did less.

It’s a lot easier to win at IU than TT. You compare them to the schools historical norms.

 

[victorbear]

That was one team that really shouldn't have made the tournament but still did even with a losing conference record. I remember they lost to California in the first round that year.

I don't know about that Scott, the big ten was freaking brutal. Illini, Michigan, Iowa, Purdue. Can't remember how many top 10 tens but it was several.

 

[victorbear]

I don't know about that Scott, the big ten was freaking brutal. Illini, Michigan, Iowa, Purdue. Can't remember how many top 10 tens but it was several.

Sorry Iowa was no good, 5 big ten teams ended up in top 20.

 

[iubud]

Evidently we're unwanted.
I've heard all kinds of people say this.
The game has changed, the situation has changed.
I don't understand what is wrong with looking fondly back at when we were successful, I've never advocated to play the game the way it was played then.
I honestly don't know what to say about it, but .......okay.
I'll step out and let the younger fans have their way.
At the very least I will save a bunch of money and time not going to Bloomington any more.

I will not forget the 3 NCAA titles I followed. I will never forget the fundamentals of the game I learned in part from the RMK TV show, the basketball camp I attended in 1975, and the coaches I played for that were heavily influenced in this state by Knight. He alone made our fanbase the most knowledgeable in the country. I miss that.

Knight is the same age as my dad. I enjoyed learning from men like my dad and Knight. While RMK was a role model for basketball. He had his issues outside basketball that I forgave and excused. I don't miss that part of his time at IU.

 

[victorbear]

I will not forget the 3 NCAA titles I followed. I will never forget the fundamentals of the game I learned in part from the RMK TV show, the basketball camp I attended in 1975, and the coaches I played for that were heavily influenced in this state by Knight. He alone made our fanbase the most knowledgeable in the country. I miss that.

Knight is the same age as my dad. I enjoyed learning from men like my dad and Knight. While RMK was a role model for basketball. He had his issues outside basketball that I forgave and excused. I don't miss that part of his time at IU.

Thank YOU! My brother went to his camp too, highlight was when Knight asked him for a fork during lunch.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

Yes they were you idiot.............you have to be the dumbest person on this site.

Funderburke was at I.U., for the 89-90 season only

Yes they were you idiot.............you have to be the dumbest person on this site.

Ok, a good man always admits when he is wrong. When I looked up the stats they did not show Leary's freshman year. Now assbag, I was wrong, but the dumbest post on this board is between you and fpeaugh. No reason at all to call names just because someone made a mistake. What are you, 13? Grow a pair.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

You are so stupid it's actually comical. Leary and myself were freshman in 1989 along with Lawrence Funderburke. You are an idiot.

Seriously? Still carrying on like mommies little bitch. Go away and die.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

Leary started in 1991, my god dude. Can you not do an internet search.

I googled assmunch, and it said "see Victorbear".

 

[IU Scott]

I don't know about that Scott, the big ten was freaking brutal. Illini, Michigan, Iowa, Purdue. Can't remember how many top 10 tens but it was several.

I think you are thinking of the 88-89 season when we won the big ten with Hillman and Edwards leading the way. That year we started out terribly by giving up over 100 points 3 times against Syracuse, UNC and UL. That year Um ended up winning the championship as well as UI going to the final four.

 

[victorbear]

I will not forget the 3 NCAA titles I followed. I will never forget the fundamentals of the game I learned in part from the RMK TV show, the basketball camp I attended in 1975, and the coaches I played for that were heavily influenced in this state by Knight. He alone made our fanbase the most knowledgeable in the country. I miss that.

Knight is the same age as my dad. I enjoyed learning from men like my dad and Knight. While RMK was a role model for basketball. He had his issues outside basketball that I forgave and excused. I don't miss that part of his time at IU.

Do you ever see us set screens like this, do we set screens???

 

[IU Scott]

Do you ever see us set screens like this, do we set screens???

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don't see many off the ball screens in college basketball, period

 

[victorbear]

I think you are thinking of the 88-89 season when we won the big ten with Hillman and Edwards leading the way. That year we started out terribly by giving up over 100 points 3 times against Syracuse, UNC and UL. That year Um ended up winning the championship as well as UI going to the final four.

YEa that year was really good. Nick Anderson, Glen Rice all the cast of characters. That year was much better.

 

[Crossblock]

Knight always said that the first thing to teach a kid was how to catch the basketball, and the second was how to pass it. Once they have mastered those, they can learn the rest. Very few learn these fundamentals anymore. When I watch Kyle Guy, a tremendously sound player, I can understand why he is at Virginia. Most of his teammates play the same way.

This reminds me of a story about Vince Lombardi the Hall of Fame Coach of the 1960's for the Green Bay Packers. The story is that he started every training camp holding a football in hand saying, "Gentlemen this is a football", and went on from there. He assumed that whether you were a veteran or rookie you had a limited knowledge of football, and had to learn from the ground up starting with fundamentals the way he wanted to teach them.

 

[T.M.P.]

Evidently we're unwanted.
I've heard all kinds of people say this.
The game has changed, the situation has changed.
I don't understand what is wrong with looking fondly back at when we were successful, I've never advocated to play the game the way it was played then.
I honestly don't know what to say about it, but .......okay.
I'll step out and let the younger fans have their way.
At the very least I will save a bunch of money and time not going to Bloomington any more.

You're soooo oppressed ..

 

[T.M.P.]

Teams don't switch on defense as much as they used to.

Good post except that ... teams probably switch even more as the players can and are expected to guard multiple positions. The more positions the players can guard the more a coach can switch.

 

[iubud]

don't see many off the ball screens in college basketball, period

If Smith and Morgan would screen for each other down low or on the wing, they could cut and catch the ball for easy shots without putting the ball on the floor. I have seen screens off the ball after a time out, but rarely in the flow of the offense.

 

[choptalk]

I think the love for Bobby Knight is not the negatives that came about but how he knew how to recruit to fit his style and be a teacher of basketball that was successful. I'm sure we all wish his temper never got the best of him because sometimes it clouded his judgement. But no one can ever say he didn't make IU players successful on the court and in life.All of us long for the day that IU can play like the teams Bobby put on the floor. Win or lose,they were gonna throw everything at the opponent that they could. Motion was important,help defense was important,blocking out and free throw shooting was stressed. I hope that CAM can get his players to buy into his system and work hard. Will he win 3 titles? Probably not,but he can create his own legacy if he and his teams put forth the effort.

I wasn't a big Knight fan because of the way he treated people. He was though a tremendous basketball mind who cared about making players better on the court and in life. He prided himself n operating the "correct way". I wonder if Romeo would be a member of his team with his dad getting a hundred grand from Adidas. You fans who long for the glory days. Would he have allowed this to happen? he used to get angry about programs operating in the gray area. Yes, it was legal but I wonder if he'd call it BS. Thoughts?

 

[iubud]

Thank YOU! My brother went to his camp too, highlight was when Knight asked him for a fork during lunch.

My highlight was when I took a shot after bringing the ball up the court and Knight clapped his hands and said, "pass the ball!"

 

[Harry Hondo]

The game hasn't changed except for 3 things:
1.) More dribble drive and high ball screens
2.) More reliance on 3-point shooting
3.) Kids are physically more athletic but mentally weaker in the team game at an early age because so many of them are doing all sorts of individual workouts and camps and multiple teams. The ability to understand how to win and how to work together to improve is not only at a loss, but with the turnover in college ball, athletes asking for transfers and one -and -done or even sooner, there is a sense that college ball itself is in danger of being privatized by the NBA and it's development structure.

. A motion offense still works. Man defense with help still works. Teams don't switch on defense as much as they used to.

Here's the thing about Knight that there has never been an answer for: he won consistently with a dominant style of play that was and is synonymous with "Indiana basketball". When he had stars, they won even more, and that was the beauty of it as a fan. You could expect 20 wins but if a couple blue chips came in then the win totals went up.

I also will always continue to point out that the mid to late 90's were perhaps the greatest in terms of cheating within the conference. 5 or 6 Big Ten teams were caught cheating, and IU wasn't one of them, but yet Knight always takes heat for those years, despite that one of them is officially a 13-5 conference record.

Personally, Knight's Indiana will always be the yardstick and what we as fans are striving to find again on the court. I've noted before that IU hoops is about 50% Knight, 30% McCracken, 15% Dean, and about 5% everybody else.

From the mid to late 90’s the gripe wasn’t so much about their conference play, but rather their tourney play. IU had some early exits and by teams that weren’t even top 20 caliber.

 

[IU Scott]

YEa that year was really good. Nick Anderson, Glen Rice all the cast of characters. That year was much better.

That year me and my brother bought tickets to the 1st/2nd round of the tournament at the RCA Dome thinking IU would get the #1 seed since we won the big ten. Actually UI got the #1 seed and they were put in Indy and they were a very entertaining team to watch in person. There starting lineup that year all were between 6'4 and 6'7

 

[victorbear]

That year me and my brother bought tickets to the 1st/2nd round of the tournament at the RCA Dome thinking IU would get the #1 seed since we won the big ten. Actually UI got the #1 seed and they were put in Indy and they were a very entertaining team to watch in person. There starting lineup that year all were between 6'4 and 6'7

Oh yea Kenny Battle, Bardo, Nick, loaded................

 

[glidresquirrel]

I wasn't a big Knight fan because of the way he treated people. He was though a tremendous basketball mind who cared about making players better on the court and in life. He prided himself n operating the "correct way". I wonder if Romeo would be a member of his team with his dad getting a hundred grand from Adidas. You fans who long for the glory days. Would he have allowed this to happen? he used to get angry about programs operating in the gray area. Yes, it was legal but I wonder if he'd call it BS. Thoughts?

In my opinion , deal with the outside stuff how you see fit, just basketball. Knight was the best there ever was. Unfortunately there was baggage . I think Knight may have had some grey areas . I wonder if Jay Edwards would have been welcomed back if he changed his mind on going pro too early. Does anyone think Bob didn't have any idea what was going on?

 

[IU Scott]

Oh yea Kenny Battle, Bardo, Nick, loaded................

Don't forget Kendall Gill

 

[TR32]

I think you are thinking of the 88-89 season when we won the big ten with Hillman and Edwards leading the way. That year we started out terribly by giving up over 100 points 3 times against Syracuse, UNC and UL. That year Um ended up winning the championship as well as UI going to the final four.

Yes, i believe this year may be rivaling 89 for overall league winning percentage all time.

 

[IU Scott]

Yes, i believe this year may be rivaling 89 for overall league winning percentage all time.

To me in my lifetime the big ten was at its best between 86-93

 

[TR32]

Don't forget Kendall Gill

Or Marcus Liberty.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

I remember Knight's team employing many fundamentals of pack-line "D".

Many of Coach Knight's years of coaching were before the 3 point line where the theory was simple, the farther out they shoot the better.

 

[Hatchets7times]

I'm from the RMK year's..
But I love the game today just as much..
Hell I want a team of 5*'s..
I just want Indiana to win .A LOT !!

 

[TR32]

That was one team that really shouldn't have made the tournament but still did even with a losing conference record. I remember they lost to California in the first round that year.

Pretty sure that was the year they beat a top ranked UM at home and Greg Graham missed a breakaway dunk that he tried to reverse. Knight was not pleased.

Another memory that may or may not be that season was Knight furiously taking off his watch and slamming it down and he was pointing and yelling as blood spurted from his finger.

They struggle all year with ball movement and the 45 second clock, but sqweaked into the tourney. Still went 18-10 and came back as sophomores.

 

[Ladoga]

Root for Texas Tech.

I do. They play the best defense in the country and are 20-5 (10th in Pomeroy)with a former RMK assistant as the coach.

 

[stripetology]

Evidently we're unwanted.
I've heard all kinds of people say this.
The game has changed, the situation has changed.
I don't understand what is wrong with looking fondly back at when we were successful, I've never advocated to play the game the way it was played then.
I honestly don't know what to say about it, but .......okay.
I'll step out and let the younger fans have their way.
At the very least I will save a bunch of money and time not going to Bloomington any more.

If missing 7 of last 15 tournaments and 0 championships is better then I too should step aside in both basketball and football (which is unbelievably worse in same period). You don’t have to get out of the way though, many don’t care enough to show anyways

 

[go_iu]

Tom Allen was talking about analytics when he decided to go for it on 4th down against Michigan State I think instead of kicking a field goal to go up 6. So we were up 3 and he goes for it. Then he says that his "analytics" say there is no difference between being up 6 as there is 3. Wow. There's analytics for you.

Well, he's a HS level coach … and a dumbass, so there;s that

 

[go_iu]

Don't forget Kendall Gill

Nick whatchamcallit that stole that game after we had just stolen the game … gotta give credit. Seems like our fortunes seem to align with MU or UI being really good. MSU has been historically average before IZZO

 

[gator mcCluskey]

Evidently we're unwanted.
I've heard all kinds of people say this.
The game has changed, the situation has changed.
I don't understand what is wrong with looking fondly back at when we were successful, I've never advocated to play the game the way it was played then.
I honestly don't know what to say about it, but .......okay.
I'll step out and let the younger fans have their way.
At the very least I will save a bunch of money and time not going to Bloomington any more.

What prompted this? I’m a Knight-era fan too. Was some kind of fatwa issued against us that I must’ve missed?

 

[cmo1]

The game hasn't changed except for 3 things:
1.) More dribble drive and high ball screens
2.) More reliance on 3-point shooting
3.) Kids are physically more athletic but mentally weaker in the team game at an early age because so many of them are doing all sorts of individual workouts and camps and multiple teams. The ability to understand how to win and how to work together to improve is not only at a loss, but with the turnover in college ball, athletes asking for transfers and one -and -done or even sooner, there is a sense that college ball itself is in danger of being privatized by the NBA and it's development structure.

. A motion offense still works. Man defense with help still works. Teams don't switch on defense as much as they used to.

Here's the thing about Knight that there has never been an answer for: he won consistently with a dominant style of play that was and is synonymous with "Indiana basketball". When he had stars, they won even more, and that was the beauty of it as a fan. You could expect 20 wins but if a couple blue chips came in then the win totals went up.

I also will always continue to point out that the mid to late 90's were perhaps the greatest in terms of cheating within the conference. 5 or 6 Big Ten teams were caught cheating, and IU wasn't one of them, but yet Knight always takes heat for those years, despite that one of them is officially a 13-5 conference record.

Personally, Knight's Indiana will always be the yardstick and what we as fans are striving to find again on the court. I've noted before that IU hoops is about 50% Knight, 30% McCracken, 15% Dean, and about 5% everybody else.

Knight should be the head basketball coach and Athletic Director. If that's not enough, he should also be President of IU and President of the Board of Directors. That should take care of any problems!!

 

[choptalk]

Knight should be the head basketball coach and Athletic Director. If that's not enough, he should also be President of IU and President of the Board of Directors. That should take care of any problems!!

Yeah, that sure wouldn't cause any problems!! LOL.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I wasn't a big Knight fan because of the way he treated people. He was though a tremendous basketball mind who cared about making players better on the court and in life. He prided himself n operating the "correct way". I wonder if Romeo would be a member of his team with his dad getting a hundred grand from Adidas. You fans who long for the glory days. Would he have allowed this to happen? he used to get angry about programs operating in the gray area. Yes, it was legal but I wonder if he'd call it BS. Thoughts?

AAU and other youth basketball programs were completely different when BK was at IU let alone shoe company influences. It is the world he would have to coach in today. From experience, managing an AAU team is expensive and funding coming from a shoe company or other marketers is necessary. We sold pasta, raffle tickets and paid for expenses out our our own pockets.

People make such a big deal out of the money AAU gave Langford. $100K would pay for one year at that level...nobody got paid here, Did they influence Langford to send Romeo to an Addidas school just as NIke and UA do? Probobly...its marketing, IU, Duke, KY and Kansas don't sponsor the teams...It isn't a gray area.