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Kinda frustrating to see TJD stroking it

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in that video on the front page. I don't get why he didn't shoot more (err, at all!) from outside this past season. Not like they taught him to shoot in the last 2 months, and he looks comfortable. I've thought all along, he'll strike a deal with a team to draft him, in the first round I believe, and be gone. If he can shoot form the floor, especially out to 3 pt range, he'd be a steal there. I don't think he'll be back.
 
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in that video on the front page. I don't get why he didn't shoot more (err, at all!) from outside this past season. Not like they taught him to shoot in the last 2 months, and he looks comfortable. I've thought all along, he'll strike a deal with a team to draft him, in the first round I believe, and be gone. If he can shoot form the floor, especially out to 3 pt range, he'd be a steal there. I don't think he'll be back.
Although we are just seeing highlights of drills at MAYBE 75% game speed, against defense that would be considered poor on the AAU circuit
 
in that video on the front page. I don't get why he didn't shoot more (err, at all!) from outside this past season. Not like they taught him to shoot in the last 2 months, and he looks comfortable. I've thought all along, he'll strike a deal with a team to draft him, in the first round I believe, and be gone. If he can shoot form the floor, especially out to 3 pt range, he'd be a steal there. I don't think he'll be back.
He is basically shooting set shots. Won’t get those in a real time game situation
 
in that video on the front page. I don't get why he didn't shoot more (err, at all!) from outside this past season. Not like they taught him to shoot in the last 2 months, and he looks comfortable. I've thought all along, he'll strike a deal with a team to draft him, in the first round I believe, and be gone. If he can shoot form the floor, especially out to 3 pt range, he'd be a steal there. I don't think he'll be back.
While I like the video, I wouldn't put too much stock into it. I recall watching CZ in warmups both his Freshman & Sophomore seasons and he looked the same. I thought, "Wow, he starts hitting 3's and we'll be unbeatable". Much like TJD, he's never been able to do it in game situations.
 
It’s funny that video came out today. I was just thinking last night he is the most limited “good player” I can ever remember at IU. Can anyone recall any other top-caliber player that could only score on dunks and layups?
 
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While I like the video, I wouldn't put too much stock into it. I recall watching CZ in warmups both his Freshman & Sophomore seasons and he looked the same. I thought, "Wow, he starts hitting 3's and we'll be unbeatable". Much like TJD, he's never been able to do it in game situations.
Yeah, I've always thought about he and CZ with a similar limitation, but I would imagine Cody was an even better shooter. Stiil, watching him drain what I assume are NBA 3s (didn't pay attention, did anyone check that?) so easily and making several in a row, makes you think he could have hit some open ones. Who was going to guard him to 3 pt land; I know I wouldn't until he showed me he could make a few. I thought Cody would also show it in the NBA but he hasn't.
 
in that video on the front page. I don't get why he didn't shoot more (err, at all!) from outside this past season. Not like they taught him to shoot in the last 2 months, and he looks comfortable. I've thought all along, he'll strike a deal with a team to draft him, in the first round I believe, and be gone. If he can shoot form the floor, especially out to 3 pt range, he'd be a steal there. I don't think he'll be back.
Maybe that's because IU had so many other good shooters last year and didn't need him to be just another good shooter.

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Omg, most basketball players at that level can drain high school threes at half speed. Hitting one in a game is a totally different story. Parker Stewart could probably hit 90 of 100 of those shots… without a break.

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Omg, most basketball players at that level can drain high school threes at half speed. Hitting one in a game is a totally different story. Parker Stewart could probably hit 90 of 100 of those shots… without a break.

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I'm not saying he's going to be a great 3 pt shooter. I'm saying it looks like there is enough promise there to try and work with him to develop it. Do you really think his shot looks much worse or would yield worse results than Race or Trey? Not sure you noticed last year, but we weren't a great 3 pt shooting team and in our case our best player is also the one least likely to be guarded on 3s, so he would have gotten the most open looks from 3. I'm saying I think there appears to be enough promise to have developed him more and allow him to try more than 3 3pt attempts last year.
 
Again, this is BS. The NBA nowadays moves the ball really well and closes out and defends well too. I'd say you don't watch the NBA. Best bball being played right now at any level.
playoffs I agree. During the season, hell no.
 
playoffs I agree. During the season, hell no.
No1 watches the regular season. But that is nothing to compared to the amount of people that dont watch college during the regular season.
 
playoffs I agree. During the season, hell no.
I think it's still much higher intensity than most expect or than it used to be. You have to weigh it against the demands of an 82 game season of 48 minute games on older bodies. They still get after it pretty good in my book and I find most who rag on them don't actually watch and are basing their opinion off watching many years ago. I think the difference is the salaries are so high now, the "average" NBA player is taking it way more seriously and has a team of specialists: trainers, nutritionist, psychs, coaches, etc... The skill level of the average player is just so much higher, but it's cause they are making millions and milions and have started to train, eat well, yoga, etc.... I think they put in way more work than they used to and to me it shows. I still don't get as excited about the NBA game as I do college, because I prefer the college vibe, but trying to be objective, there's no comparison in the skill level and play: way higher in the NBA. It's on the same level as clock mgt in the NFL vs college; just so much better.
 
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OK, after reading so many NBA posts lately, I decided to give it another try. Wow. The game moves much much faster, the players are working so much harder, the passing is incredible, and as a long time college BB fan, I’ve got to admit our players ( including TJD) couldn’t keep up with today’s NBA. I only hope this is the game Woodson is bringing to Assembly Hall.
 
OK, after reading so many NBA posts lately, I decided to give it another try. Wow. The game moves much much faster, the players are working so much harder, the passing is incredible, and as a long time college BB fan, I’ve got to admit our players ( including TJD) couldn’t keep up with today’s NBA. I only hope this is the game Woodson is bringing to Assembly Hall.

That's what I see too. When I hear someone ragging on lazy play and 1 on 1 ball, frankly, I am certain they're not actually watching games nowadays. The passing is what I love to see and is just so precise, and it's not just 1 or 2 teams, it's how they all play. Some teams with really ball dominant guys like Doncic, or Butler do play a little more 1 on 1 but they generally still use passing to isolate the matchup they want. And, every team generally has multiple guys who can knock down 3s at a very high level, often off the dribble. It may not have the team allegiance factor that college does, but just in terms of skill level and quality of play, it's a huge difference imo.
 
Maybe that's because IU had so many other good shooters last year and didn't need him to be just another good shooter.

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That's my point: we sucked from 3, yet were encouraging guys like Race and Trey to shoot. Now our very best player, who happens to be the 5 and the guy most likely to be left unguarded out to the 3, shows he's at least capable of making the shot and doesn't look bad doing so. Just seems like there might have been an opportunity to utilize that given that overall we still struggled from 3. Could've been an easy way to get TJD more open looks and draw his defenders away from the paint.
 
I agree, better Passing/Pass Receiving/Soft Hands is the second most important skill for our Hoosiers to continue to develop this summer, just behind in game shooting precision.

For me, it's the most notable difference in the Pro and College games.

Maybe Norman Dale is available to run summer drills? ha ha
 
He’s been doing this stuff in practice for 3 years. It’s a game confidence thing. He’s not going to jump 15-20 spots overnight.
We'll see. I guess it will be evident then based on what he does, as I thought I'd read that he'd only stay if he's at least an early 2nd round pick. It only takes 1 and as I watch the smaller 5s so many teams are using, I think TJD can fill that role. And, if he can show a jumpshot that he hasn't so far, all the better. That's my prediction: if he stays in the draft, he'll be a late 1st round pick. So we'll see what happens. Only takes 1 team to decide they want him.
 
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We'll see. I guess it will be evident then based on what he does, as I thought I'd read that he'd only stay if he's at least an early 2nd round pick. It only takes 1 and as I watch the smaller 5s so many teams are using, I think TJD can fill that role. And, if he can show a jumpshot that he hasn't so far, all the better. That's my prediction: if he stays in the draft, he'll be a late 1st round pick. So we'll see what happens. Only takes 1 team to decide they want him.
He’s only on 2 draft boards. The least accurate one is 33. The other is in the 40s and everyone else has him not drafted. That’s a big risk if you want 35 or better. If I had to say right now he’s most assuredly coming back.
 
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It's on the same level as clock mgt in the NFL vs college; just so much better.
What was this just thrown in Willy nilly. I don’t watch college football but the NFL is atrocious at clock management. There should be a position or coach specifically for it. Me and my buddies always talk about how dumb most teams are.
 
What was this just thrown in Willy nilly. I don’t watch college football but the NFL is atrocious at clock management. There should be a position or coach specifically for it. Me and my buddies always talk about how dumb most teams are.
You're kidding? The NFL teams move the ball with precision and 5X the distance of college teams, imo. Geez, look at the scoring at the end of the KC/Buffalo game last year. I think NFL teams get off 2-3X as many plays in the final 2 minutes as the average college team.
 
You're kidding? The NFL teams move the ball with precision and 5X the distance of college teams, imo. Geez, look at the scoring at the end of the KC/Buffalo game last year. I think NFL teams get off 2-3X as many plays in the final 2 minutes as the average college team.
I don't watch college, like at all. Good teams can do well, Andy is a great one.... But so many teams have pathetic coaching with clock management. No excuses, these teams are worth billions, coaches getting millions, and just complete disasters at half and the end of the game.
 
Well if you are playing with Luka, you'll probably get plenty of wide open 3 point set shots in the playoffs r the regular Season. DoDo just went 8-12 from 3 yesterday and 10 of them were probably uncontested set shots.
 
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That's what I see too. When I hear someone ragging on lazy play and 1 on 1 ball, frankly, I am certain they're not actually watching games nowadays.
They've certainly never watched the Suns or Warriors.

The team play, ball movement and passing is exceptional ...
 
They've certainly never watched the Suns or Warriors.

The team play, ball movement and passing is exceptional ...
Yeah, those are the 2 best, but I feel like every team has implemented it to some degree. Even teams like Dallas, Milwaukee or Memphis that have ball-dominant players, generally really whip the ball and use precise passing to get 3s or the mismatch they want. And, every team generally has 2-3 just "average" guys who can knock down 3s at a high clip. I don't see how anyone who is a bball fan could watch these playoffs and not be entertained. The Boston v Milwaukee game last night was great viewing with Giannis at his Freakish best and then Horford going off.
 
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