I’m betting he didn’t see his first full year on the job unfolding quite like it has. Football totally flopped. Basketball trending the same. Baseball 0-3 with 2 blowouts. Yikes.
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The money spent on these programs, and the corresponding return, is malpractice.
When you hire the wrong coaches, the facilities and the flagpoles carry no weight. Both Allen and Woody can recruit- but the questions still remain, can they coach them up? Both HC’s get more time to build their programs- but so far data supports us cynics as accurate and the sunshine pumping posts are absent.
I give Woody full credit for the improvement in defense, but thus far his offense has been awful. You can point to whatever you want to excuse the offense, but Archie was able to do more, and even I can guard a guy standing in a corner.
I'd say Woodson so far is just barely above avge in recruiting.
Sure JHS is a good one.
But he needs three like him. In the next two classes..
Like 3 top 50 guy's..Or do a whole lot better in the portal..Than Durr types.
I'm not all in on Allen yet.
He had a shit season..
But pulled off a great recruiting class..Which gives you hope..
Agreed recruiting has been ok but no better than Archie did his frist few years. I agree we need three or four top 40 guys in the next class or two.
Jury is still way out on Woodson’s recruiting. He hasn’t even had a full recruiting class yet. He’s inked two 5* guards in less than 12 months, added a solid wing in Kaleb Banks, and appears to have a really good guard in Newton coming in 2023. Don’t forget we’re in a very good spot for Miro Little. Don’t think he’s ranked because of his international status, but if there’s 30 better high school players in the class of 23, I’d like to see them.
Willing to let these kids get on campus and develop for a year or two before I pass total judgement. I suggest the rest do the same.
Willing to let these kids get on campus and develop for a year or two before I pass total judgement. I suggest the rest do the same.
You’re right, you’re right. Mike Woodson’s offense is the only offense on the planet that does not encourage players to make plays if they can.
A good coach makes the collective better than the individual parts. I don’t think even the most rose colored Woodson fan would argue that he has done that offensively this season.
I believe he has. If Woodson was not our coach I believe we would be averaging 5-10 less ppg. We are the most offensively flawed IU team I have ever seen from a talent perspective.
you know nothing about miro little, you watch a few youtube highlights and declare he would be a mcdonalds all american if he lived in the states, thats insane
Oh I believe that a lot of IU fans agree that 1, Woodson knows how to coach offensive after 20 years in the NBA, and 2, that the players Woodson is coaching this year outside of TJD are incredibly bad offensive players.
Two of the last three national champions are recruiting him and in his final 3. That’s good enough for me.
Back to your evening.
I apologize, it's just impossible to predict what his level is, just seems we hype the guys up we are recruiting, then tear them down when they don't live up to our inflated expectations
How well Woodson develops and integrates Little is one thing (assuming he commits), but to deny his raw talent is silly.
not denying he has talent I just don't think we have any way of knowing what level he is at; he might be an all-American level, or he might be a top 150 type
As I said earlier, if there’s 30 better players in his class I’d like to know who they are.
not trying to be a jackass but what do you base that on? Baylor is recruiting him also
I’ve watched tape on him as well as Jeremy Fears and Dra Gibbs-Lawhorn, both PG’s who IU recruited and ranked in that 30 range. If those guys are considered top 30 ranked players in the class of 2023, then so is Miro Little.
Not asking you to agree with me either.
a team that wasn’t supposed to make the tourney prob won’t make the tourney and we’re calling that a flop?
so weird established college coaches aren’t all over this job. Their loss. Lol
Just another day at the office at good, old Mayberry U.
He should be used to it by now. It happens the majority of the years between September and March.
He'll need to have a book signing at Borders to have a chance at that one.
Archie left the cupboard pretty bare, no scorers on this team. Archie never recruited shooters. And no reliable point guards. None. Not to say Woodson has done great, but he had nothing to work with. The transfers out, if you look at their stats, aren't necessarily world beaters although they do get PT. Durham's, Franklin's and Hunter's shooting percentages are all pretty bad. Not sure they would have helped all that much on this team.
Allen, on the other hand, is either really stupid or loyal to a fault. The biggest position problem on IU the last five years has been the OL, and yet with all the coaching turnover Hiller still remains employed. As important the OL is to the team, Allen's keeping of Hiller is coaching malpractice. QBs, RBs and WRs cannot develop or thrive with such poor performance by the OL year in and year out.
Come on this is not Tom Crean year one. I get people wanting to stick up for Woodson or whatever but this team is good enough for the NCAA and anyone who says it is not is just trying to justify our five game skid. If this team was so good awful we would not be in almost every game except a couple. They just do not know how to finish but to say Woodson had nothing to work with is absurd TJD and Race alone are plenty to work with . If that is really the attitude the bar for IU basketball if even lower than I thought and I know the bar these days is very low for some posters.
Every single time we get a new coach its the same excuses. Crean did not leave Archie any players and on and on. Once Crean's players are gone Archie will kill it. Yet somehow sampson made the NCAA with the Davis players in year one.
This talking point doesn't hold water. It takes more that raw talent to win games. Its not that the cupboard is bare, we got peanut butter and no jelly--cereal and no milk--ham but no burger.
So you are saying we are not good enough to make the NCAA with this group of players? If that is what people really believe than we are not underachieving at all 7-9 should be right about where they should be and people should be happy with the direction of the program. I am just trying to understand this nobody thought this team would make the NCAA group of posters. Like I said if that is what you thought than you should have zero complaints about this season and with Woodson. You should actually say things are right on track.
I'm saying the "on paper, talent is good enough" crowd are not seeing the whole picture. The games aren't played on paper. We have shooters who can't make under pressure. I'm guessing we shoot around 30% on 3s and 40% on 2s and 60% fts. That's why our talented players might miss the ncaa again.
I would say this. Last year’s team imo was a borderline tournament team from a talent perspective. They collapsed at the end of the season and underachieved.
While many of us, myself included, had high hopes for our talent being better this year it has not happened. We are worse. We replaced Franklin with a much leas talented Kopp, and Stewart is a downgrade from Durham as well. X in my opinion is at best a side grade from Rob. He is better in some ways and worse in others. I do believe our bench is better but incredibly young (especially with Rob out).
So we have less talent than what was imo a borderline bubble team. I believe we are coached better this year but yes imo if we make the tournament we will have overachieved from a talent perspective.
I have zero issues with the job Woody and staff has done this year.
i do remember seeing “Kopp Puts Us Over The Top” bumper stickers around town
That is fine so the same people talking up next years recruits maybe need tone down the kool aid a bit. The same ones telling us these players are garbage are talking up the next recruits like they are going to suddenly lead us to the promised land. I get that happens with every recruiting class but for the most part probably 75% of them have very little impact in year one.
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