Juco QB from Texas

[Bobby9]

anyone know anything about him ?--his pedigree seems to be tops--could be answer to our potential problem for next year and maybe the next three years--would be interested in hearing about him--other than he is big--big--6'6'' big--am sure he has a strong arm--can he run ? would be nice to have a QB that can run away from trouble--
BOBBY9

 

[IUHarselCo]

The H-T mentioned three JUCOs they were looking at, but no guage on their interest in us. When the big boys finally get around to JUCOs, we'll see who's left over. Coach quoted as being very big on King too. I'd rather avoid the JUCOs if possible. Rarely works out for us, usually getting what's left after being picked over by more successful programs, Vaughn Dunbar one very notable exception. A three year JUCO would pretty much slam the door on those in the program, except for those redshirting. Probably see some transfers. But if there is someone significantly better available than anyone you have, I guess you grab him. I'll not hold my breath. We've been here too many times too. There's usually a good reason why they're JUCO.

 

[Ptah180]

The H-T mentioned three JUCOs they were looking at, but no guage on their interest in us. When the big boys finally get around to JUCOs, we'll see who's left over. Coach quoted as being very big on King too. I'd rather avoid the JUCOs if possible. Rarely works out for us, usually getting what's left after being picked over by more successful programs, Vaughn Dunbar one very notable exception. A three year JUCO would pretty much slam the door on those in the program, except for those redshirting. Probably see some transfers. But if there is someone significantly better available than anyone you have, I guess you grab him. I'll not hold my breath. We've been here too many times too. There's usually a good reason why they're JUCO.

 

[Ptah180]

Vaughn was already signed to play for IU be couldn't pass the SAT.

 

[Iudanapoint]

The H-T mentioned three JUCOs they were looking at, but no guage on their interest in us. When the big boys finally get around to JUCOs, we'll see who's left over. Coach quoted as being very big on King too. I'd rather avoid the JUCOs if possible. Rarely works out for us, usually getting what's left after being picked over by more successful programs, Vaughn Dunbar one very notable exception. A three year JUCO would pretty much slam the door on those in the program, except for those redshirting. Probably see some transfers. But if there is someone significantly better available than anyone you have, I guess you grab him. I'll not hold my breath. We've been here too many times too. There's usually a good reason why they're JUCO.

Babe Laufenberg, Eric Moore, Ian Beckles, Kwynn Supernaw, Damon Sweazy, Mike Friede. More out there than you think. Dunbar, by the way, committed out of high school then was forced into JC.

 

[IUHarselCo]

Babe Laufenberg, Eric Moore, Ian Beckles, Kwynn Supernaw, Damon Sweazy, Mike Friede. More out there than you think. Dunbar, by the way, committed out of high school then was forced into JC.

First off, all good posts above. I knew Dunbar's history, but he was the last one I could think of as an impact player. Note that three of the above JUCOs were Mallory players or earlier. Only three JUCO impact players in 20 yrs. Figure 44 active players per season that's three out of 880 players. Just that odds aren't in our favor. Crap shoot were shouldn't need. Imo

 

[RBB89]

First off, all good posts above. I knew Dunbar's history, but he was the last one I could think of as an impact player. Note that three of the above JUCOs were Mallory players or earlier. Only three JUCO impact players in 20 yrs. Figure 44 active players per season that's three out of 880 players. Just that odds aren't in our favor. Crap shoot were shouldn't need. Imo

JUCOs and grad transfers at QB can be a huge help. Kelly at Ole Miss, Marshall at Auburn, Wilson at UW, just to name a few. It would be nice to have a guy come in in December and take over for a year or two until Ramsey or King are ready. I really like the kid from Texas.

 

[ezluke]

First off, all good posts above. I knew Dunbar's history, but he was the last one I could think of as an impact player. Note that three of the above JUCOs were Mallory players or earlier. Only three JUCO impact players in 20 yrs. Figure 44 active players per season that's three out of 880 players. Just that odds aren't in our favor. Crap shoot were shouldn't need. Imo

Cam had a few good jucos. We had a good JUCO linebacker in Cooper last year and wasn't Szceczny(sp?) a JUCO?

People tend to remember the bad more than the good

 

[mattndallas]

A kid that is a QB at a Texas JUCO....

Or a Texas kid that is a QB at some JUCO?

Key element.

Who are we talking about.

Getting a kid that was in the top 20 as a Texas HS QB is akin to getting the top prospect in the state of Indiana.

 

[IUHarselCo]

Cam had a few good jucos. We had a good JUCO linebacker in Cooper last year and wasn't Szceczny(sp?) a JUCO?

People tend to remember the bad more than the good

You're sure right about that. Maybe I just have a bad impression of JUCOs. Still I'd rather see someone here now or coming in as a freshman get the job. Even with JUCO experience, being a B10 QB will have a learning curve. I just can't see us getting a ready to win QB from the JUCO ranks. But I could be wrong and if we do I'll be behind him 100%.

 

[ezluke]

You're sure right about that. Maybe I just have a bad impression of JUCOs. Still I'd rather see someone here now or coming in as a freshman get the job. Even with JUCO experience, being a B10 QB will have a learning curve. I just can't see us getting a ready to win QB from the JUCO ranks. But I could be wrong and if we do I'll be behind him 100%.

I don't see us getting a ready to win freshman either. The guys good enough to step right in and win don't usually go to IU. Even Nate was a special case, if not for being let go late by UA and us coincidental happening to hire the coach that recruited him, I doubt we even get him

 

[IUHarselCo]

I don't see us getting a ready to win freshman either. The guys good enough to step right in and win don't usually go to IU. Even Nate was a special case, if not for being let go late by UA and us coincidental happening to hire the coach that recruited him, I doubt we even get him

I agree that bringing in anyone good enough to win immediately is probably out of our range of possibilities. This is why I'd rather see King or someone in the system now win the job outright. Gives evidence that the coaches have a "system" that's working. Wouldn't next year have been Coffman's year? TR would have graduated this year with Nat...I think. Don't have the class standings in front of me. But had CC not transferred out, we'd had a fifth yr man ready to go. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

 

[Optimist13]

Let's get somebody first before we start tearing a player's credentials apart on here based on our (mistaken) assumption
that because past Juco players may not have
panned out that he (or anyone else) won't
pan out either.

 

[ezluke]

I agree that bringing in anyone good enough to win immediately is probably out of our range of possibilities. This is why I'd rather see King or someone in the system now win the job outright. Gives evidence that the coaches have a "system" that's working. Wouldn't next year have been Coffman's year? TR would have graduated this year with Nat...I think. Don't have the class standings in front of me. But had CC not transferred out, we'd had a fifth yr man ready to go. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

Cam's a senior, he spent a year in JUCO before IU

 

[82hoosier]

That guy on NCIS did okay as a juco transfer.

 

[RBB89]

I agree that bringing in anyone good enough to win immediately is probably out of our range of possibilities. This is why I'd rather see King or someone in the system now win the job outright. Gives evidence that the coaches have a "system" that's working. Wouldn't next year have been Coffman's year? TR would have graduated this year with Nat...I think. Don't have the class standings in front of me. But had CC not transferred out, we'd had a fifth yr man ready to go. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

The kid from TX has playing experience against some of the top JUCO programs in the country. He will be able to come in for spring ball. He was a highly rated 3 star out of HS. He's 6'6, 240 with a huge arm. There will always be a learning curve, but if you can get a guy like that, you take him. It's not like we're going through the bargain bin. There is some good talent out there. He will be visiting soon and may decide right after.

 

[IUHarselCo]

The kid from TX has playing experience against some of the top JUCO programs in the country. He will be able to come in for spring ball. He was a highly rated 3 star out of HS. He's 6'6, 240 with a huge arm. There will always be a learning curve, but if you can get a guy like that, you take him. It's not like we're going through the bargain bin. There is some good talent out there. He will be visiting soon and may decide right after.

Pretty good post but I disagree with one thing...IU always gets the bargain bin...always. Top JUCOs don't come to IU, never have or will until we're a winner. Anyone we get will have been passed over by better programs.

 

[Hoosiers Rising]

It all really depends on what other programs are needing a qb and who the transfer feels may be ahead of him or challenging him.

 

[82hoosier]

Have to completely disagree with the bargain bin comment. You only have to look back to last season and the Hoosiers pick-up of Jordan Howard. Indiana has a prolific offense that is thin at the skill positions. IU is an opportunity for a talented offensive player to come in and prove himself against top competition on game day. The reality is that many of the top 20 programs are already 2 and 3 deep at qb. IU is a great opportunity for a transfer.

 

[bang63]

It's only 1 scholly and only ties it up for 2 years. If the coaches think this kid can compete for the starting qb job who are we to disagree.

 

[IUHarselCo]

Have to completely disagree with the bargain bin comment. You only have to look back to last season and the Hoosiers pick-up of Jordan Howard. Indiana has a prolific offense that is thin at the skill positions. IU is an opportunity for a talented offensive player to come in and prove himself against top competition on game day. The reality is that many of the top 20 programs are already 2 and 3 deep at qb. IU is a great opportunity for a transfer.

Howard is not a JUCO. That's what I was referring too. Top JUCOs don't come to IU. Too many better options when you have limited playing time left.

 

[DallasHoosier]

A kid that is a QB at a Texas JUCO....

Or a Texas kid that is a QB at some JUCO?

Key element.

Who are we talking about.

Getting a kid that was in the top 20 as a Texas HS QB is akin to getting the top prospect in the state of Indiana.

Kid mentioned a couple days ago that I think everyone is referring to is Richard Lagow. Just looking at his Rivals page, he was at Plano HS is 2013. Signed with UConn, then it appears pretty quickly transferred to Oklahoma St. Then he ended up at a JUCO called Cisco here in Texas.

Seems he must have a little bit of something if Okla St wanted him, but you have to wonder what's up with the hopping around.

 

[DallasHoosier]

Howard is not a JUCO. That's what I was referring too. Top JUCOs don't come to IU. Too many better options when you have limited playing time left.

This year very well may be different though. Most years there is a QB or two in the mix with some experience. There will be virtually none of that, so a JUCO QB will some abilities and experience should feel real good about stepping right into an offense with quality skill players all around him and the structure to put up big numbers.

 

[Iudanapoint]

This year very well may be different though. Most years there is a QB or two in the mix with some experience. There will be virtually none of that, so a JUCO QB will some abilities and experience should feel real good about stepping right into an offense with quality skill players all around him and the structure to put up big numbers.

They're looking for a reason. It's a position with no clear favorite and no difference making player. Smart to go look for help.

 

[BigRedFootballEd]

I agree that bringing in anyone good enough to win immediately is probably out of our range of possibilities. This is why I'd rather see King or someone in the system now win the job outright. Gives evidence that the coaches have a "system" that's working. Wouldn't next year have been Coffman's year? TR would have graduated this year with Nat...I think. Don't have the class standings in front of me. But had CC not transferred out, we'd had a fifth yr man ready to go. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

Not 100 per cent sure but we should have had Nate for next year as well. When Tre broke his leg during the UMass game it unfortunately forced Suds into playing time thus losing his rs year. Nate is going to hold many, many IU qb records here after only netting out approx 3 years of playing time.

 

[history Bill]

anyone know anything about him ?--his pedigree seems to be tops--could be answer to our potential problem for next year and maybe the next three years--would be interested in hearing about him--other than he is big--big--6'6'' big--am sure he has a strong arm--can he run ? would be nice to have a QB that can run away from trouble--
BOBBY9

He has two years to play two (he had a redshirt year at OK State, then has played two years at Cisco JC)

 

[iueyedoc99]

We were very close to getting Marshall until Auburn called. We were in play for Kelly until Ole Miss called. It's tough to do at IU.