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You can believe you’re as informed as you like. And I don’t doubt Dolson did his due diligence on Cignetti.
It’s still a risk. Definitionally.
Mullen is a nomad who couldn’t hack it at programs with better resources. There’s no reason to think he would’ve been successful here.
There’s every reason to believe Beard would.
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Tell him stuff @DANC
Dan Mullen has the best overall record at Mississippi state since the 1950s. That program was abysmal for decades--made moreso by Sylvester Croom who preceded Mullen. Mullen was there for 9 years then he went to Florida to take over from the disastrous Jim McElwain who went 4-7 prior to Mullen. 3 seasons at Florida he was 10-3, 11-2 and 8-4 with a junkie 5-6 last season. That junkie season included a 3 point loss to number 1 Alabama; a last minute 7 point loss to Kentucky; an overtime loss to Missouri. Until he took over UNLV, he had been at 2 places in 13 plus years. Hardly a vagabond. Certainly not a guy who "couldn't hack it at programs with better resources".
Beard is a much better coach than Woodson.
Leipold? If McCollum is the bball equivalent of him, that wouldn't be pretty.
Of course he couldn’t hack it at Florida. That’s why he’s not still there. You can debate whether they should have fired him (they shoudnt’ve) but 5-6 with poor recruiting outlook will get you fired.
I didn't know Mullen wanted the IU job that badly.
I do know the concensus of the FB boards were that we needed someone that 1) Was a consistent winner, 2) Had a coaching 'system' - an identity - that he could recruit to, 3) could bring his staff along with him, and 4) was a proven developer of talent.
Cig checked all the boxes and, honestly, I didn't doubt he could win at IU when he was hired. I wasn't predicting the CFB or 11-1 regular season, but I figured he'd get us to 8 to 9 wins consistently.
I do think it's possible to dip into the lower levels of college BB and pluck someone who checks all the boxes. With NIL, I don't believe impressing HS recruits is as big a deal as it used to be. I would love someone who is a proven recruiter, but a developer of talent is more important, imo, and anyone who can do that will draw recruits.
Agree - and that could have gotten the AD at OSU fired if Tressel would have fallen on his face
I don't know that he did that much "development," but Woodson's one calling card was being able to get his bigs (primarily) playing well and getting them into the league. Which I personally don't care much about. If TJD or Ware or Ballo make it big then good for them, but they didn't do anything for IU basketball.
Speaking of which, I saw where TJD got sent down to the G League and scored something like 22 points his first game there.
I thought he was solidly in the league!
No idea. I don't follow the NBA any more than MLS. I did think he really impressed his rookie year. No clue what happened.
Me neither. I only saw he was sent down. I know they play games with rosters, moving certain players up or down to keep them on the payroll or feature them for a trade, etc.
TJD got us into the tournament. He played hard. Too bad he couldn't develop a jump shot.
I disagree. While player development is certainly a question mark as it relates to McCollum, I'd much rather have an Xs and Os guy who knows how to use his system and wins, even at a lower level. IU may not be a blue blood any longer, but it still carries enough weight and interest to recruit itself, to a degree.
That's why someone like Crean - good recruiter, even better player developer, is going to be lost in today's world where you can backfill talent much quicker and easier than before. If you have a system and know how to get guys to buy in, you can win at a high level anywhere, but particularly a place with a solid NIL budget and basketball exposure.
You must be joking. Leipold has been up coach of the year two out of his 4 years.
Kansas was by far the worst D1 college football program--one of the worst of all times over a 11 years.
2010: 3-9
2011: 2-10
2012: 1-11
2013: 3-9
2014: 3-9
2015: 0-12
2016: 2-10
2017: 1-11
2018: 3-9
2019: 3-9
2020: 0-9
2021: 2-10 (Leipold's first year with a roster of half filled with walk ons)
2022: 6-7 Ranked 19 at one point
2023: 9-4 Final ranking of 23
2024: 5-7 Ranked 19 at one point (Beat number 7 BYU, number 16 Colorado, number 17 Iowa State, number 16 Kansas state. Lost to Arizona State by 5.
Nick Saban wouldn't have done better.
That’s unfair. Long term winning percentage should be taken into consideration.
McDermott is boring. I have Archie Miller vibes about him. I also have concerns that after his kid left, Creighton wasn't as good. They weren't terrible or average, but just pretty good.
I couldn't tell you whether one coach is better than the next. Some coaches might be better with one set of players than the next guy. I can say for sure though: (1 ) it is hard to win; (2) hard to win consistently, and (3) it is really frigging hard to win 4 national championships over short period of time.
He's under .500 at Kansas over 4 years. If Cig is under .500 after 4 years, you think we'll be happy?
And don't tell me you can't win at a college in the state of Kansas. Bill Snyder proved that wrong over decades.
What does one have to do with the other? You are comparing two completely different circumstances.
Kansas played its first season under Leipold with 41 walk ons. No transfer portal like it is now. And no meaningful high school recruits because no one wanted to go to a team with an 11 year record of being the worst program in NCAA history. That was not Indiana. What he had at Kansas for two years was was Tom Creans first two years at Indiana. And Leipold still had a great second season
What Leipold has done at Kansas is the functional equivalent of winning a national championship.
There is a reason that every major job opening for the last 3 years involved a conversation with him.
I'm not impressed. He's been there 4 years. Long enough to have built something. He hasn't. He had the portal and went 5-7 this year. Looks like a great example of a guy who could succeed at a lower level but that skill set didn't transfer to Div 1.
Why? If McCollum comes here and goes under .500 for his first four years, will you respond to complaining fans that they should be looking at his long-term winning %?
The schools long term winning percentage, not the coaches. Kansas football all time winning percentage is 47%. Leopold went 2-10 his 1st year and has been above .500 since.
It really is a crapshoot isn’t it. Think about some of the greats. How about Billy Clyde Gillespie. Man was an outlaw. You know that. Reached the pinnacle of college basketball at big blue. Now where is he. Tarleton college after being promoted from ranger college. Unless they boast Woodrow call and Gus McRae as alums I suspect that place isn’t much
There is no coach in the history of college football who has ever taken over a program like Kansas and had as many wins in four seasons as Leipold.
There was no NIL money for him- It all went to basketball. Two bowl games. Sellout stadiums, a new stadium and practice field- all of that because of the success he has had on the field.
My partner is a ku alum along with numerous friends. This is the most beloved. Ku is a great place
Bet Cig tops that. Also bet Leipold doesn’t match Bill Snyder’s years 5-10 at Kansas State.
If the next coach puts up comparable winning % and years as Leipold at IU bball, there are going to be a lot of dissatisfied fans.
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Since it’s almost impossible to cheat anymore, we should be all in for Bruce Pearl. Unfortunately, we’re about five years too late for that.
Gotcha. Sorry, he’s not Archie and Creighton has been better since his son left. The past 6 years have been his best run.
2020 - They won the Big East and was ranked 7th
2021 - 5 seed/SW 16
2022 - 9 seed/ 2nd round
2023 - 6 seed/ Elite 8
2024- 3 seed/SW 16
2025- 6-8 seed most likely
If Covid didn’t cancel the 2020 tourney they probably would have made the SW 16 4 out of the last 5 years. If Dolson hires McDermott, I’ll be happy. He will be the best hire since Sampson. He’s a good coach.
I just want a coach who does not believe it is wrong to recruit shooters. I do not know why we have had a series of coaches that think shooting is useless.
Yeah, the good stuff about Brey and Collins. Awesome. Makes me super happy to hear it
Mike Brey. Good god how boringYeah, the good stuff about Brey and Collins. Awesome. Makes me super happy to hear it
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