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I dont recall Archie making the excuse - but the Archie Apologists on here overwhelmingly cried about injuries to role/practice players...

And that was with a 17-man roster w/13 scholarship players...
As it sits now I believe Archie’s Hoosiers are a 12 man team, w 11 scholarship players...

So Archie either didnt learn from the injuries, or has just had a really hard time convincing HS seniors or Grad Transfers to take a step down his path...

Either way...seems foolish.

That all may be true, but the issue was with hunty saying that "Archie will pull the injury card again next season".
All I wanted him to do was prove he wasn't typing 100% out of his ass and show everyone some evidence that CAM did it last season. Any evidence. At all.
None seems to be forthcoming, so I have to assume that hunty is full of shit...again.
 
That all may be true, but the issue was with hunty saying that "Archie will pull the injury card again next season".
All I wanted him to do was prove he wasn't typing 100% out of his ass and show everyone some evidence that CAM did it last season. Any evidence. At all.
None seems to be forthcoming, so I have to assume that hunty is full of shit...again.
Please head straight to jail. Do not pass go, and do not collect $200.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/2742406002
 
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In your face Archie nation...

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Please head straight to jail. Do not pass go, and do not collect $200.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/2742406002
So exactly where is the quote where Archie said injuries were why they were losing?
He said their “depth had been challenged” - which was stating the obvious. He followed that up with saying there were things they could be doing better.

C’mon, CDK, where is the quote from Archie blaming injuries for losses? Sure wasn’t in that article. You at least showed the ability to provide a link; your problem is you continue to have a firm understanding of what facts are.
 
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So exactly where is the quote where Archie said injuries were why they were losing?
He said their “depth had been challenged” - which was stating the obvious. He followed that up with saying there were things they could be doing better.

C’mon, CDK, where is the quote from Archie blaming injuries for losses? Sure wasn’t in that article. You at least showed the ability to provide a link; your problem is you continue to have a firm understanding of what facts are.
I am not a paying indystar customer, and therefore, have no access to the article. From the way feepaw and hunty were reacting, I figured it quoted CAM as saying something like, "Hey, you can't judge my work harshly this year...we had way too many injuries to count this season against me. I deserve a do-over. Yes, I am going to pull the injury card."

Are you telling me it did not say that? :eek:
 
I’ve said it before and mean it... much of the negativity you see isn’t really directed at a coach, player or ad, it’s a release from decades of built up frustration. Thank/blame univ admins for gross negligence of a passionate fan base. CAM is hopefully getting through the issues the right way. Otherwise, I think biggest fear will be apathy.
 
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I’ve said it before and mean it... much of the negativity you see isn’t really directed at a coach, player or ad, it’s a release from decades of built up frustration. Thank/blame univ admins for gross negligence of a passionate fan base. CAM is hopefully getting through the issues the right way. Otherwise, I think biggest fear will be apathy.
100% agree. I fn love iubball but I’m getting sick and tired of watching shit bball
 
So exactly where is the quote where Archie said injuries were why they were losing?
He said their “depth had been challenged” - which was stating the obvious. He followed that up with saying there were things they could be doing better.

C’mon, CDK, where is the quote from Archie blaming injuries for losses? Sure wasn’t in that article. You at least showed the ability to provide a link; your problem is you continue to have a firm understanding of what facts are.
I can only provide you the facts. I can’t make you like or accept them.
 
I already did.
No, you didn’t.

Here is the full text of the article. NOWHERE is there a quote from Archie that blame the losses on injuries.

BLOOMINGTON – On the same day his athletic director described IU coach Archie Miller’s task as a “serious rebuild” at a board of trustees meeting, Miller himself engaged in a frank discussion with reporters about that challenge.

Fred Glass’ comments reportedly came during an extended discussion of the broader direction of Indiana’s football and men’s basketball programs. They were also surely prompted by the seven-game losing streak that has submarined Miller’s once-promising second season in charge in Bloomington.

Michigan State is favored to extend that streak to eight on Saturday, when the Hoosiers visit East Lansing with ESPN GameDay in town and the Spartans aiming for a second-straight Big Ten title.

Miller, meanwhile, continues to grapple with a short-handed, unbalanced roster. One that’s lost both its ability to accentuate its strengths, and the depth and versatility it was expected to lean on during the season’s more difficult months.

“This team played really hard early in the season, and like it or not, our depth has been challenged in a lot of different ways,” Miller said. “In the Big Ten you're going to need a lot of bodies. You're going to need some experience to go along with it, and we're in a stretch in the first month of the Big Ten play, in terms of January, where our depth and our chemistry and our team changed.

“That's not to say that we can't recreate ourselves here and start to do some things better.”

Miller’s news conference Friday centered around a direct discussion of the myriad challenges facing Indiana this season, the sources of those challenges and what the Hoosiers have and haven’t done in trying to meet them.

He acknowledged what IU has lost in the course of this season, both physically in terms of bodies and depth, and figuratively in terms of its ability to play to a central identity at both ends of the floor.

And it was perhaps Miller’s most introspective dialogue since the first days of his tenure regarding his long-term vision at Indiana, and balancing that with day-to-day progress.

“When you take over a program, you've got to look at the big picture,” he said, “and the big picture is (recruiting) classes upon classes upon classes and development upon development.”

There are issues this roster is grappling with that are recent, like injury issues, attendant problems with depth and experience, and fleeting confidence.

And there are some that stretch back beyond Miller’s tenure.

The roster Miller inherited immediately lost three players to the NBA draft. It also included five seniors, and a pair of transfers within months of Miller’s hiring brought the total turnover in Miller’s first year on the job to 10 players.

It’s worth pointing out at least one outgoing player, former Crown Point standout Grant Gelon, later suggested he had not wanted to leave IU. But in the bigger picture, a sagging APR number limited how much non-graduation roster turnover Indiana could absorb without NCAA penalties, even if Miller underplayed it Friday.

“(IU’s APR number) hasn't really been a concern,” Miller said. “When we got here, we had a full roster of a team, know what I mean? There wasn't a whole lot of wiggle room in terms of what we were going to do in our first year, to be able to recreate something really fast.

“For us, development and retention is everything, and graduation is everything. Our goal is to put these guys in a situation where obviously they're getting better, they're getting older, and they're pursuing what they want to do academically. APR is something that I think every staff goes through when you have transfers or departures, but for us that hasn't really been a concern.”

What Miller was left with this season was an inevitably young team. Nine of its 13 scholarship players are either freshmen or sophomores because of that wave of exits. And a team that as far back as September Miller said would need to be deep and versatile to succeed.

It has rarely been allowed to be either, because of injuries. Indiana overcame that to win 12 of its first 14 games, but the Hoosiers haven’t won since Jan. 3, and they haven’t often looked good in losing.

There were back-to-back 15-point losses to Nebraska and Purdue. The capitulation at home against Michigan. And Wednesday’s trip to Rutgers, which started with promise but came undone during a 22-0 Rutgers run across 9 ½ minutes either side of halftime.

Now, staring at a tall task in East Lansing on Saturday, Miller is doing whatever he can to help his team rediscover what made it successful in November and December. What it can rediscover, anyway.

“There's got to be certain things that you're taking great pride in right now,” Miller said. “Really narrowing the focus, it's not a lot of things, it's a couple things, and we've got to do those things well.”

He started Friday with a defense that dug Indiana out of a lot of holes in tight wins in nonconference play but has been porous and inconsistent since the new year. He’s also trying to reenergize that offense, which has endured more scoreless streaks than just the one that sunk the Hoosiers midweek in New Jersey.

And there’s a broader, more intangible concern that blankets everything Indiana is doing right now.

“We have to have more poise,” Miller said. “We have shown the ability to sort of play well at times and then all of the sudden, it goes away very fast, and we can't stop the flood, so to speak. And that comes down to poise and patience, and don't panic on either end of the floor. Just stick with it, stay with it, and be a little smarter.”

Is that possible, with a roster still in transition, a locker room asking a lot out of its youngest members and an injury crisis that doesn’t seem to be improving?

Devonte Green will be back from suspension for Saturday’s game. But De’Ron Davis is still out with an ankle problem. And Zach McRoberts is now shut down too, according to Miller, because of a “stress reaction” in his foot.

“We're trying to correct some things,” Miller said, “but at the same time trying to reestablish that, No. 1, there's a lot of season left, and No. 2, we've got to get better in a couple areas that we can control pretty quick.”

Just about every time Miller has fielded a question this season about his long-term vision, he’s batted it away, suggesting he is firmly focused on the here and now. Friday, prompted at least in part by Glass’ exchange at the trustees meeting in Columbus, proved an exception.

Nevertheless, no matter how much Miller zoomed out, he always came back around to what’s in front of him right now — a team with flaws, challenges and 10 games to turn things around.

“This season is long from over. We'll see obviously at the end of the season how far we can go, and then it goes into the next one and the next one and the next one,” Miller said. “We've had good moments this season where we've shown really good progress, and like all teams, you go through sort of the waves.

“We're in a wave right now, and hopefully as we continue to keep progressing here, and you get to February, you want to start to play your best ball, and we have an opportunity to do that.”
 
When you take over a program, you've got to look at the big picture,” he said, “and the big picture is (recruiting) classes upon classes upon classes and development upon development.”


Hows that 2 man class (plus a walk-on) working for the ‘classes upon classes upon classes’....
 
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No, you didn’t.

Here is the full text of the article. NOWHERE is there a quote from Archie that blame the losses on injuries.

BLOOMINGTON – On the same day his athletic director described IU coach Archie Miller’s task as a “serious rebuild” at a board of trustees meeting, Miller himself engaged in a frank discussion with reporters about that challenge.

Fred Glass’ comments reportedly came during an extended discussion of the broader direction of Indiana’s football and men’s basketball programs. They were also surely prompted by the seven-game losing streak that has submarined Miller’s once-promising second season in charge in Bloomington.

Michigan State is favored to extend that streak to eight on Saturday, when the Hoosiers visit East Lansing with ESPN GameDay in town and the Spartans aiming for a second-straight Big Ten title.

Miller, meanwhile, continues to grapple with a short-handed, unbalanced roster. One that’s lost both its ability to accentuate its strengths, and the depth and versatility it was expected to lean on during the season’s more difficult months.

“This team played really hard early in the season, and like it or not, our depth has been challenged in a lot of different ways,” Miller said. “In the Big Ten you're going to need a lot of bodies. You're going to need some experience to go along with it, and we're in a stretch in the first month of the Big Ten play, in terms of January, where our depth and our chemistry and our team changed.

“That's not to say that we can't recreate ourselves here and start to do some things better.”

Miller’s news conference Friday centered around a direct discussion of the myriad challenges facing Indiana this season, the sources of those challenges and what the Hoosiers have and haven’t done in trying to meet them.

He acknowledged what IU has lost in the course of this season, both physically in terms of bodies and depth, and figuratively in terms of its ability to play to a central identity at both ends of the floor.

And it was perhaps Miller’s most introspective dialogue since the first days of his tenure regarding his long-term vision at Indiana, and balancing that with day-to-day progress.

“When you take over a program, you've got to look at the big picture,” he said, “and the big picture is (recruiting) classes upon classes upon classes and development upon development.”

There are issues this roster is grappling with that are recent, like injury issues, attendant problems with depth and experience, and fleeting confidence.

And there are some that stretch back beyond Miller’s tenure.

The roster Miller inherited immediately lost three players to the NBA draft. It also included five seniors, and a pair of transfers within months of Miller’s hiring brought the total turnover in Miller’s first year on the job to 10 players.

It’s worth pointing out at least one outgoing player, former Crown Point standout Grant Gelon, later suggested he had not wanted to leave IU. But in the bigger picture, a sagging APR number limited how much non-graduation roster turnover Indiana could absorb without NCAA penalties, even if Miller underplayed it Friday.

“(IU’s APR number) hasn't really been a concern,” Miller said. “When we got here, we had a full roster of a team, know what I mean? There wasn't a whole lot of wiggle room in terms of what we were going to do in our first year, to be able to recreate something really fast.

“For us, development and retention is everything, and graduation is everything. Our goal is to put these guys in a situation where obviously they're getting better, they're getting older, and they're pursuing what they want to do academically. APR is something that I think every staff goes through when you have transfers or departures, but for us that hasn't really been a concern.”

What Miller was left with this season was an inevitably young team. Nine of its 13 scholarship players are either freshmen or sophomores because of that wave of exits. And a team that as far back as September Miller said would need to be deep and versatile to succeed.

It has rarely been allowed to be either, because of injuries. Indiana overcame that to win 12 of its first 14 games, but the Hoosiers haven’t won since Jan. 3, and they haven’t often looked good in losing.

There were back-to-back 15-point losses to Nebraska and Purdue. The capitulation at home against Michigan. And Wednesday’s trip to Rutgers, which started with promise but came undone during a 22-0 Rutgers run across 9 ½ minutes either side of halftime.

Now, staring at a tall task in East Lansing on Saturday, Miller is doing whatever he can to help his team rediscover what made it successful in November and December. What it can rediscover, anyway.

“There's got to be certain things that you're taking great pride in right now,” Miller said. “Really narrowing the focus, it's not a lot of things, it's a couple things, and we've got to do those things well.”

He started Friday with a defense that dug Indiana out of a lot of holes in tight wins in nonconference play but has been porous and inconsistent since the new year. He’s also trying to reenergize that offense, which has endured more scoreless streaks than just the one that sunk the Hoosiers midweek in New Jersey.

And there’s a broader, more intangible concern that blankets everything Indiana is doing right now.

“We have to have more poise,” Miller said. “We have shown the ability to sort of play well at times and then all of the sudden, it goes away very fast, and we can't stop the flood, so to speak. And that comes down to poise and patience, and don't panic on either end of the floor. Just stick with it, stay with it, and be a little smarter.”

Is that possible, with a roster still in transition, a locker room asking a lot out of its youngest members and an injury crisis that doesn’t seem to be improving?

Devonte Green will be back from suspension for Saturday’s game. But De’Ron Davis is still out with an ankle problem. And Zach McRoberts is now shut down too, according to Miller, because of a “stress reaction” in his foot.

“We're trying to correct some things,” Miller said, “but at the same time trying to reestablish that, No. 1, there's a lot of season left, and No. 2, we've got to get better in a couple areas that we can control pretty quick.”

Just about every time Miller has fielded a question this season about his long-term vision, he’s batted it away, suggesting he is firmly focused on the here and now. Friday, prompted at least in part by Glass’ exchange at the trustees meeting in Columbus, proved an exception.

Nevertheless, no matter how much Miller zoomed out, he always came back around to what’s in front of him right now — a team with flaws, challenges and 10 games to turn things around.

“This season is long from over. We'll see obviously at the end of the season how far we can go, and then it goes into the next one and the next one and the next one,” Miller said. “We've had good moments this season where we've shown really good progress, and like all teams, you go through sort of the waves.

“We're in a wave right now, and hopefully as we continue to keep progressing here, and you get to February, you want to start to play your best ball, and we have an opportunity to do that.”

I'm interested just exactly where hunky and feepaw see CAM pulling the injury card. Exactly which quote, guys?
 
Miller, meanwhile, continues to grapple with a short-handed, unbalanced roster. One that’s lost both its ability to accentuate its strengths, and the depth and versatility it was expected to lean on during the season’s more difficult months.

“This team played really hard early in the season, and like it or not, our depth has been challenged in a lot of different ways,” Miller said. “In the Big Ten you're going to need a lot of bodies. You're going to need some experience to go along with it, and we're in a stretch in the first month of the Big Ten play, in terms of January, where our depth and our chemistry and our team changed.
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Slow down, take a deep breath, and read again son.
 
Translation: "The article really doesn't say what I said it did, so I can't point to any quotes...but I'm not about to admit it, so I'll act like you have a problem because you can't find something that isn't there."
Scroll up. The message is there. Just because it doesn’t fit word for word what Taz said doesn’t mean it’s not there in black and white.
 
In your face Archie nation...

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You're an idiot if you think that article shows that Archie "played the injury card" because it doesn't. I don't know why you and your friends like fpeaugh post here since you're not IU fans. Go post on your UK or PU board instead and quit stinking up this place with your sh!t.
 
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I can’t force you to accept the truth kid. That’s up to you.

Translation: "Now, I'm just going to double down on acting like a douche, call him "kid", and hope he gives up with these translations that are killing it. I sure wish I would have read that article carefully before trying to use it to support my claim, though. I've really stepped in it big time here. I got nothing."
 
You're an idiot if you think that article shows that Archie "played the injury card" because it doesn't. I don't know why you and your friends like fpeaugh post here since you're not IU fans. Go post on your UK or PU board instead and quit stinking up this place with your sh!t.
I’m convinced they’re mouth breathing morons. You’re also right that they aren’t IU fans. They’re trolls and several are the same people posting under different handles. They’re pathetic, actually.
 
I’m convinced they’re mouth breathing morons. You’re also right that they aren’t IU fans. They’re trolls and several are the same people posting under different handles. They’re pathetic, actually.
Yes they are pathetic.
 
I dont recall Archie making the excuse - but the Archie Apologists on here overwhelmingly cried about injuries to role/practice players...

And that was with a 17-man roster w/13 scholarship players...
As it sits now I believe Archie’s Hoosiers are a 12 man team, w 11 scholarship players...

So Archie either didnt learn from the injuries, or has just had a really hard time convincing HS seniors or Grad Transfers to take a step down his path...

Either way...seems foolish.
Your math is not very good. 11 scholarship players + Vijay Blackmon + Nathan Childress = 13. Not 12. Johnny Jager also had a year of eligibility left but I'm not sure if he's returning or not. If he does that is 14.

You sure like to whine a lot about the number of walk-ons but you get it wrong every time.
 
Your math is not very good. 11 scholarship players + Vijay Blackmon + Nathan Childress = 13. Not 12. Johnny Jager also had a year of eligibility left but I'm not sure if he's returning or not. If he does that is 14.

You sure like to whine a lot about the number of walk-ons but you get it wrong every time.
I should get better at it this season - as there are less scholarship players to concern myself with...
 
I’ve never seen an IU coach recruit as poorly as Archie has over the last 6 months. Ever. I mean it completely fell off a cliff. He may have already signed his last IU recruit.
 
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I’ve never seen an IU coach recruit as poorly as Archie has over the last 6 months. Ever. I mean it completely fell off a cliff. He may have already signed his last IU recruit.
LOL! Funny stuff there.
 
To claim injuries and lack of bodies for practices...it sure doesnt make any sense...
 
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