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San Fran is an interesting place from a public admin perspective. I just got out of grad school and spent a summer there when Willie Brown was taking over as Mayor. His timing was fortuitous as he was in charge during the dot com era. So the city had all sorts money for programs and was gentrifying areas and engaging in all sorts of large scale projects. It was gorgeous. Newsom replaced Willie when Willie termed out. Since that time as what appears to be bad luck (dot com decline) and bad policy San Fran has apparently gone to shit. I think it would be a terribly difficult city to manage when the median home price is 1.5 mil
If any city was able to cope with a dot.com decline, it should have been San Francisco. It had more going for it than any American city, Yet it has sunk lower and lower by any conceivable measure. It’s stupidity, not bad luck.
 
If any city was able to cope with a dot.com decline, it should have been San Francisco. It had more going for it than any American city, Yet it has sunk lower and lower by any conceivable measure. It’s stupidity, not bad luck.
Yes and no. Admins benefit and suffer from things ancillary to them. They can create an environ for biz to prosper but whether it be dot coms iPos house construction flipping day trading they are at the mercy to a certain degree of fortune and timing
 
Yes and no. Admins benefit and suffer from things ancillary to them. They can create an environ for biz to prosper but whether it be dot coms iPos house construction flipping day trading they are at the mercy to a certain degree of fortune and timing
Agreed. The dot.com collapse might have affected vacancy rates, sales tax revenue, and maybe a few other related things. But it by no means played much of a role in current conditions.
 
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Yes and no. Admins benefit and suffer from things ancillary to them. They can create an environ for biz to prosper but whether it be dot coms iPos house construction flipping day trading they are at the mercy to a certain degree of fortune and timing
Agreed. Like saying St. Louis should have been in the best position to survive the end of the riverboat era.
 
Agreed. Like saying St. Louis should have been in the best position to survive the end of the riverboat era.
Bitch Stl should have been! Between rail and steamers - steamers was the way to go!!! Gave the town the best logo in all of the Major Indoor Soccer League. New York Arrows had the Lord of Indoors Steve Zungel. The Baltimore Blast had Stan The Pizza Man Stamenkovic. The original Messi. Indoor Messi. Fat Messi. Could post up a defender and roll a ball like today's futsal players could only dream about. Arenas from Wichita to Cleveland sold out nightly but when you thought of the glorious MISL what everyone saw in their minds' eyes was that iconic steamboat logo

*The Pizza Man fell off his roof and died. He smoked on the bench too. Never attempted to get into any kind of shape. But what a touch. Wow. Rip
 
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I can go on all day. I'm nearly through rewatching all of it on Netflix. It's remarkably great.

We’re in the last season on Netflix. It’s a show we didn’t watch when it was new other than an occasional episode. It is a great show and I didn’t know that a lot of common sayings started with that show. It really is hilarious.
 
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We’re in the last season on Netflix. It’s a show we didn’t watch when it was new other than an occasional episode. It is a great show and I didn’t know that a lot of common sayings started with that show. It really is hilarious.
I'm going to have to watch it now. Stubborn is one thing but I think I might actually enjoy Seinfeld.
 
I'm going to have to watch it now. Stubborn is one thing but I think I might actually enjoy Seinfeld.
Me too. I wasn’t a fanatic about it when it was new, but I enjoyed the episodes I did see. Same for mash and cheers

What really is sad about those older shows set in LA, NY, or San Fran is that those cities are now thoroughly screwed and will never again be like they were in those shows.
 
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Me too. I wasn’t a fanatic about it when it was new, but I enjoyed the episodes I did see. Same for mash and cheers

What really is sad about those older shows set in LA, NY, or San Fran is that those cities are now thoroughly screwed and will never again be like they were in those shows.
It's a pendulum. Now San Fran/NYC will swing back to the right. Nothing's ever a straight line.

The pendulum will swing too far right sometime over the next decade and we'll swing back left. All the while going....somewhere.
 
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It's a pendulum. Now San Fran/NYC will swing back to the right. Nothing's ever a straight line.

The pendulum will swing too far right sometime over the next decade and we'll swing back left. All the while going....somewhere.
im not so sure. The drugs, the crime, the taxes, the energy crisis, the flight of the well-off, the cultural changes in the U S as a whole will make it hard to swing back. You might be right. But I think a rebirth is beyond all lives in being.
 
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im not so sure. The drugs, the crime, the taxes, the energy crisis, the flight of the well-off, the cultural changes in the U S as a whole will make it hard to swing back. You might be right. But I think a rebirth is beyond all lives in being.
NYC was a shithole in the 70's/80's but rebounded just fine. And sure, everywhere can't be NYC

I'm a big fan of Moderates in the Mayor's office. Whether they be Dem or Republican. What they shoudl really be doing is advocating for their city to draw in business opps and keeping the streets clean and safe. They have a mandate to do little else.
 
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It's a pendulum. Now San Fran/NYC will swing back to the right. Nothing's ever a straight line.

The pendulum will swing too far right sometime over the next decade and we'll swing back left. All the while going....somewhere.
All the cultural stuff is fun to bitch about and can be fixed. Hell crime can be fixed. What I see as the biggest issue is the American Dream slipping away. When a starter home in an average neighborhood is $300k and the average new car is $50k we have problems imo
 
All the cultural stuff is fun to bitch about and can be fixed. Hell crime can be fixed. What I see as the biggest issue is the American Dream slipping away. When a starter home in an average neighborhood is $300k and the average new car is $50k we have problems imo
We'll be f*cking Panem before we ever fix any problems.
 
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We’re in the last season on Netflix. It’s a show we didn’t watch when it was new other than an occasional episode. It is a great show and I didn’t know that a lot of common sayings started with that show. It really is hilarious.
And, sadly, the guy who played Mr. Bookman, the “library cop,” passed away recently.

I don’t know how Seinfeld ever completed a scene with him. He had to be breaking up and Bookman probably nailed his lines each time, before Jerry cracked up.
 
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im not so sure. The drugs, the crime, the taxes, the energy crisis, the flight of the well-off, the cultural changes in the U S as a whole will make it hard to swing back. You might be right. But I think a rebirth is beyond all lives in being.
Kansas seems to have rebounded from a far right extreme ideology under Brownback. Seems people do actually like having schools for their kids. Huh.
 
NYC was a shithole in the 70's/80's but rebounded just fine. And sure, everywhere can't be NYC

I'm a big fan of Moderates in the Mayor's office. Whether they be Dem or Republican. What they shoudl really be doing is advocating for their city to draw in business opps and keeping the streets clean and safe. They have a mandate to do little else.
Law follows culture. The shithole of tge 70’s and 80’s was unacceptable. The shithole of the 2020’s is tolerated and enabled if not accepted. See the OP.
 
Living in the world of the Party of Hate and Divide the guy who got attacked is the criminal here. Here is what it is like in the NY where it is so safe.


 
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Here is what it is like in the NY where it is so safe.
anecdotes are not data

Data is data.


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It's like the Seinfeld Bizarre World episode where up is down and down is up. Who is the criminal in the video. I'm surprised the police didn't arrive and shoot the worker/owner to save the thug.
 
It's like the Seinfeld Bizarre World episode where up is down and down is up. Who is the criminal in the video. I'm surprised the police didn't arrive and shoot the worker/owner to save the thug.
They would have had to step behind the counter to do that, and err'body knows now that is a bad game plan!
 
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