It ain't the coach folks....

[T.M.P.]

They wouldn't need to if there was any ball movement and we just got it to TJD as a first option

Yea, so your idea is to throw it into a double and triple team to a guy who doesn't seal well, has no post moves, and is only one handed.

*eyeroll*

The better way to get him the ball is on the move when he's going downhill. Where his athleticism, which is extraordinary and not his skills, which are lacking, can be used to good effect. But we have no one that can start that type of action consistently.

Getting him the ball on the block back to the basket only results in a tough shot. He's very much a weak side post at this point, roll, cut and rebound. But, the other teams know that too and design game plans to stop it. He's just too easy to guard right now and will be until he learns to use his off hand. Jump shot would help too ..

 

[T.M.P.]

Ha. I played a division 1 sport in the ncaa tournament on a top 20 team. I know what effort looks like - and I haven't seen it in three years under Miller. The x's and o's don't mean squat if you can't get the kids to play hard. And Miller simply cannot get the kids to out work the other team.

It sure in the fk wasn't basketball ...

 

[mcmurtry66]

It sure in the fk wasn't basketball ...

LOL no it wasn't .

 

[victorbear]

It sure in the fk wasn't basketball ...

Shut up already

 

[go_iu]

Why do we have 2 open schollies? Archie had a year to try to fill them with a point guard that can shoot and somebody else who can shoot.

Winner, winner! Chicken dinner! and Bingo!

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Winner, winner! Chicken dinner! and Bingo!

Who was available that would help this roster?

 

[victorbear]

Who was available that would help this roster?

You can’t defend that question idiot

 

[mcmurtry66]

Shut up already

It's not worth arguing over. He's part of a shrinking minority that's grasped onto a position and won't relent. This along with any other business is a results-oriented business. Miller is in year three and on the biggest night in Indiana basketball history in more than two decades the team didn't show up. Effort, composition, execution, is all on Miller at this stage, and if TMP or anyone else wants to get lost in the minutiae of the minute by minute play they're losing the forest for the trees. He's smart enough to understand that the results speak for themselves, or he's not...

 

[go_iu]

Who was available that would help this roster?

Well most of the PG's and SG's that we didn't attempt to recruit. You want names? They'd be scattered around the entire landscape of college basketball freshmen and the transfer portal. Jesus are you retarded?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Well most of the PG's and SG's that we didn't attempt to recruit. You want names? They'd be scattered around the entire landscape of college basketball freshmen and the transfer portal. Jesus are you retarded?

What a poor choice for a comeback. You have no idea. “Retarted”? Seriously?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

You can’t defend that question idiot

You have no room to talk.

 

[Cavanagh]

What was the APR the first year and how did that impact the decision?

you know moore al and Justin were not enrolled at IU when Archie was hired right? Therefore if he desired to not recruit them it would have 0 effect on the Apr. this got debunked a ways back. Carry on basement boy.

 

[go_iu]

What a poor choice for a comeback. You have no idea. “Retarted”? Seriously?

Your the "Retarted" one, seriously I didn't miss spell you did, And it wasn't meant as a "comeback", just the truth

 

[victorbear]

you know moore al and Justin were not enrolled at IU when Archie was hired right? Therefore if he desired to not recruit them it would have 0 effect on the Apr. this got debunked a ways back. Carry on basement boy.

And Durham too that’s 3 schollys lil arch could have kept with zero impact to apr

 

[victorbear]

And Lil Arch is apparently still learning how to coach

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Your the "Retarted" one, seriously I didn't miss spell you did, And it wasn't meant as a "comeback", just the truth

You insensitive SOB! The word “retarded” is very offensive.

 

[Jg48]

It’s simple. It really isn’t all coaching. Our guards can’t hit a broad side of a pole barn.

Well, we can't fire the kids, so let's fire the coach.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Well, we can't fire the kids, so let's fire the coach.

Yes you can. Scholarships are awarded year by year.

 

[go_iu]

It's not worth arguing over. He's part of a shrinking minority that's grasped onto a position and won't relent. This along with any other business is a results-oriented business. Miller is in year three and on the biggest night in Indiana basketball history in more than two decades the team didn't show up. Effort, composition, execution, is all on Miller at this stage, and if TMP or anyone else wants to get lost in the minutiae of the minute by minute play they're losing the forest for the trees. He's smart enough to understand that the results speak for themselves, or he's not...

Correct, let the apathy set in … and we're going to watch this shit for another year when we know we'll have to fire him eventually. Certainly that has to be illogical to someone in the administration. Someone has to surely see that if they do that and basically forfeit this year and next it's going to hit them in the wallet. It's beyond absurd, and I really have no respect for someone that knows there not meeting their job expectations, knows they're going to be fired, knows their going to continue to slide and disappoint more, but says "hey, gotta pay me still after I've already basically stolen 10M from you" … if he won't resign, that's what he's doing

 

[Birnk403]

Yes you can. Scholarships are awarded year by year.

Technically, the SBOR is supposed to prohibit cutting of players, but it happens in every sport at IU in exactly the way I described. Each varsity coach is under pressure to win, and players who aren’t contributing are often told that their playing time will reduce drastically moving forward, and that their primary value will be as a practice player. Most take the hint and move on but, for those who stay, the indignities of being where you’re not wanted can be demeaning. I’ve known a few competitors to whom this has happened and most step away since the fun of competing has been sapped. For those contemplating a fifth year, the SBOR does not apply, so coaches can push those players out at the conclusion of their fourth year of competition. Happens in every sport.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Miller MAY be a good coach, but he has done an awful job of getting the most out of IU’s talent while at IU. And I could care less what he did in Ohio.

This is the most perplexing thing.

I like Miller’s approach: play solid D, limit TO’s, take ball inside. And we’ve seen glimpses of how good we are when we followed that script.

But since the last three minutes of the Maryland game we’ve played like a bunch of guys with no direction. Miller is the only one you can blame that on. His inability to get guys to play the way they should might possibly cost him his job.

 

[cdatkins74]

it's a simple matter of talent, and we're just not a team with a lot of talented players. It isn't that our kids don't care about winning. They all come from winning programs. They're just overmatched by the Garzas (Iowa), Smiths (Maryland), Winstons (Mstate) and Simpsons (Michigan) of the league. You can go on and on.

We got no ball handler, no drivers, no beast in the middle, no dagger in your heart shooters. I watch a lot of college ball other than IU, and this is what other teams have, and what we lack.

What we've got are great kids who go to class, get good grades, graduate, and keep themselves out of trouble off the court.

Most everyone wants to "lock up the state" when it comes to recruiting. Maybe it's time to admit that Indiana talent isn't what it used to be. Haven't been any Abernathys, Baileys or Hulls coming out of the Hoosier state in a long, long time. Yeah, if we had 13 kids with the enthusiasm of Joey Brunk, we might have a really good team. But we don't.

IU isn't a "destination" team like it used to be. Until it is and we can start attracting some top caliber national talent, settle in for lowered expectations. Archie can only offer, he can't make them commit.

Would love to see Cooper Bybee jack up some 3s in a game. Couldn't be any worse.

Purdue had many, many open and good looks. They hit a lot of them. They also worked to get the ball inside and scored quite a few at the rim. They also worked much harder than IU.

IU had many, many contested looks and settled for questionable shots. They didn’t look to get the ball inside that much, and when they did, Purdue smartly double teamed and make it tough for IU to score.

None of that has anything to do with talent.

 

[Jg48]

Yes you can. Scholarships are awarded year by year.

As I understand the Students Bill of Rights, you will get your four years of free school even if the coach no longer wants you on the team. I don't know if that's counts against the BB scholarships.
That said I'm still in favor of firing the coach.

 

[go_iu]

You insensitive SOB! The word “retarded” is very offensive.

OK, probably not for retards themselves, but I'll go PC on this, you're "Mentally Challenged", feel better?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

OK, probably not for retards themselves, but I'll go PC on this, you're "Mentally Challenged", feel better?

Still very childish.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

As I understand the Students Bill of Rights, you will get your four years of free school even if the coach no longer wants you on the team. I don't know if that's counts against the BB scholarships.
That said I'm still in favor of firing the coach.

They very rarely use those as the player still wants to play. The bill of rights was kind of created for players who are injured...etc. still ethical. I believe it doesn’t count against scholarship numbers. Might want to look that up to be sure.

 

[HoosierJimbo89]

Who was available that would help this roster?

Any player available during last year's recruiting cycle.

 

[Zeester]

Yea I know you don't understand how little you know. Dunning Kruger is common around here.

It's okay, you're fairly bright, hopefully someday you will know what you are talking about and then you'll feel as foolish as you sound.

Until then .. learn.

Ok oh wise one.... you aren't quite as smart as you think you are. But you probably don't know that.

 

[snarlcakes]

it's a simple matter of talent, and we're just not a team with a lot of talented players. It isn't that our kids don't care about winning. They all come from winning programs. They're just overmatched by the Garzas (Iowa), Smiths (Maryland), Winstons (Mstate) and Simpsons (Michigan) of the league. You can go on and on.

We got no ball handler, no drivers, no beast in the middle, no dagger in your heart shooters. I watch a lot of college ball other than IU, and this is what other teams have, and what we lack.

What we've got are great kids who go to class, get good grades, graduate, and keep themselves out of trouble off the court.

Most everyone wants to "lock up the state" when it comes to recruiting. Maybe it's time to admit that Indiana talent isn't what it used to be. Haven't been any Abernathys, Baileys or Hulls coming out of the Hoosier state in a long, long time. Yeah, if we had 13 kids with the enthusiasm of Joey Brunk, we might have a really good team. But we don't.

IU isn't a "destination" team like it used to be. Until it is and we can start attracting some top caliber national talent, settle in for lowered expectations. Archie can only offer, he can't make them commit.

Would love to see Cooper Bybee jack up some 3s in a game. Couldn't be any worse.

I’ll clue you in, it’s the coach. Also, the players who you are throwing under the bus are alums (will be) and should be treated better. In 3 years Archie won’t give a sh#t you about IU, just like Crean doesn’t now. Do better.

 

[BayernFan]

It’s coaching at the college level.

 

[bailey777]

You insensitive SOB! The word “retarded” is very offensive.

Dude chill out

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Dude chill out

Dude...no

 

[Baller23Boogie]

When Archie came in, he couldn't get rid of any of the kids already on the roster. That's how bad of shape we were in with the APR. Anyone that thinks the university would have let us take a PR hit like that after hiring a new coach is nuts.

Now, has Archie made rosters moves that I don't agree with, yes. I've said for over a year he's needed to find a true point guard. We need another shooter.

 

[victorbear]

Purdue had many, many open and good looks. They hit a lot of them. They also worked to get the ball inside and scored quite a few at the rim. They also worked much harder than IU.

IU had many, many contested looks and settled for questionable shots. They didn’t look to get the ball inside that much, and when they did, Purdue smartly double teamed and make it tough for IU to score.

None of that has anything to do with talent.

U mean Purdue ran an offense

 

[victorbear]

When Archie came in, he couldn't get rid of any of the kids already on the roster. That's how bad of shape we were in with the APR. Anyone that thinks the university would have let us take a PR hit like that after hiring a new coach is nuts.

Now, has Archie made rosters moves that I don't agree with, yes. I've said for over a year he's needed to find a true point guard. We need another shooter.

U don’t know that more excuses

 

[Baller23Boogie]

U don’t know that more excuses

I don't know what?

 

[victorbear]

I don't know what?

That he couldn’t get rid of players of course he could have

 

[Baller23Boogie]

That he couldn’t get rid of players of course he could have

Without a postseason ban, no he couldn't of. And the university wouldn't have allowed him to do that. Now, I'm not talking about his incoming kids that year, but the kids already on the team, he was stuck with.

If you think the university would have allowed Archie to get us banned from the postseason, your nuts.

 

[Birnk403]

Without a postseason ban, no he couldn't of. And the university wouldn't have allowed him to do that. Now, I'm not talking about his incoming kids that year, but the kids already on the team, he was stuck with.

If you think the university would have allowed Archie to get us banned from the postseason, your nuts.

They banned themselves from the NCAA tournament for two years because he didn’t fix the roster, and year 3 is right around the corner. Not sure the APR excuse holds water.

 

[victorbear]

Without a postseason ban, no he couldn't of. And the university wouldn't have allowed him to do that. Now, I'm not talking about his incoming kids that year, but the kids already on the team, he was stuck with.

If you think the university would have allowed Archie to get us banned from the postseason, your nuts.

Once again Archie was not stuck with Smith, Durham or Moore they had not enrolled in classes and Archie didn’t have to take them as recruits pure pure lies to think otherwise