I agree with most of what you say. However Green is much more than a scorer - he is our best passer, he sees what is about to happen much better than anybody on our team (per CAM)!
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Agree with all of that except the "almost anyone could do that". Would that it were so but it's just not.
OK smart-guy, regale us with the game(s) when RP at his best outperformed DG at his.
DeVonte is very good at feeding the post. But Rob appears to be more of a natural playmaker but can score. DeVonte is more of a natural scorer. But they will both at times have the opportunity to dish or to score. I like it that way. We just need good players.
First, it’s a silly argument because DeVonte is three years older and has played many more games than Rob. Also I’d say that Rob’s performance against Cassius Winston last year in East Lansing might have been our best individual performance by any player all year. That doesn’t mean he’s DeVonte’s equal or better or inferior. Dumb to argue these comparisons.
I don't understand the purpose of this .. Phin is our starting PG, Devonte the 2.. it's not going to be one or the other. If Phin shoots it doesn't make him a 2, and if Devonte passes it doesn't make him the 1. and you ignore the defensive end, and what a PG offensive role is.
Is Devonte the better scorer and creator? Yes, obviously.
Is he better at taking care of the ball facilitating the offense and not turning it over? Hasn't been yet.
Is he better defensively? Close, but no. Phin is probably the 2nd best defensive guard in conference.
Regardless, it doesn't matter.. they're both slated as starters this year. and we haven't seen either fully healthy or locked in. So, maybe just watch and see what happens as the season progresses and quit trying to guess?
Silly? Here? Perish forbid.
Games played doesn't enter - was about RP's best vs. DG's best as of right now. And no one save you has used 'inferior/superior' in the comparison - Rob is arguably steadier, but he's also more methodical and conventional. He drives and finishes at the rim better, and probably has a better A/TO ratio = that being said, DG sees and makes passes (with increasing reliability) that Rob doesn't see as yet, is a far better shooter at this point and just brings a greater level of energy to the Court and the Team's execution. Or so I imagine. Don't confuse my bias and/or perceived lack of judgment as an indictment or criticism of Rob - there are opponents (especially in Conference play) where I expect his skillset will probably serve better offensively, and times when IU will need the vision and creativity that DG brings.
Devontes production ceiling has been higher than Phinsees .. BUT .. his floor has also been far far lower. Sometimes below the basement. So yea DG at his best is probably better offensively than RP, but RP at his worst has been better for the team than DG at his worst. Where they fit and what they do for the team is more important than individual offensive stats.
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Not sure what it is I'm "guessing at" or what the purpose is in any of it. It's a discussion board - it's what we do.
Fine. RP is the PG. Be more convincing when he's healthy enough to log 20+ minutes a game without fouling out and show a better A/TO ratio than the other three guards in the main rotation. Defensively I'd rate it a toss-up, but for the record, this year, with an admittedly diminutive sample size, DG has been better "facilitating the offense and not turning it over" - 4/1 vs 4.5/2.5 A/TO ratio. Plenty in his past play to denigrate, just not so far this Season.
Again, that was then. Any number of folk, self included, that stand diminished on the basis of past performance. If I'm guilty of anything it's imagining that DG 4.0 is not the same Player from past years and that his apparent 'refinement' is the new norm rather than some type of aberration. Doubtless not alone in watching to see how that plays out...
RP is the PG.
My job is done here.
One thing of note. Almost every run we've had so far was facilitated by inserting Phinisee into the game. He may not be the one getting baskets, but he's the driver of the bus and the main cog of our defense...
Unsupported/disingenuous. DG's been back for all of two games, the first of which Rob didn't even play. Only runs of note in the Princeton game (7 or more pts.) had Rob on the bench for the first (7), both on the Floor for the second (9) and Rob out again for the third (9). In the second half of that game wherein IU played much better, RP only logged two minutes to DG's sixteen. Not that any of that is in any way definitive.
For my part, what I saw in the Princeton game, in those instances when IU looked like a Team that could run with just about anyone and the defense really was leading to offense, DG was on the Floor. Don't believe he's as good an on-ball, man to man defender, but something about his presence seems to be more disruptive to the opponents offensive scheme as a whole.
Really hate the five days between Games thing - too much time to fill, much better when it's only 2-3 days in between...
I'm late to this conversation but I have to agree with OP. Devonte looked one step ahead of everyone else and more composed in the moves he made. After watching the game, he should have had around 10 assists. Maybe the NBA workout provided some guidance in his play as well. If he were to move to the next level, he needs to show that he can handle the ball and pass, which he demonstrated in the last game. But, it was one game so I'd like to see more of that (along with other players finishing) but he needs to be consistent.
IU wins as Devonte goes. Simple as that. He is our Carsen Edwards. TJD is a stud. But not the leadser.
It's his world, we're only living in it. For better or worse.
I was never of the opinion that if DG was playing, we could make him into strictly a shooter. I never thought it was possible to control him to that extent. On the other hand, it's clear that he can't have the ball in his hands the entire game without completely losing it. So Rob is necessary if we really want to be good.
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