It’s Devontes team

[HereYouGoIU]

after two games it’s clear Devonte is the leader. He is poised, calm, cool, collected. You can already see it in his demeanor.

He is the leader of the team. A true senior leader. This is what IU has always been built on, seniors stepping up.

Can only imagine how much better he will become as the season progresses.

Devonte, major improved Justin Smith, stud Frosh TJD, along with awesome depth makes this team potential off the charts better than natl media ever expected.

Gonna be a fun season.

 

[Jssanto]

In the off season Archie made a comment about letting Devante be Devante. I believe he meant accepting some of the bad-trying to do too much, out of control sometimes, etc.- to gain the good.
Every year we wonder which player will make that Olidipo jump.
Imagine if Devante makes dramatically more good decisions.
He could become a national level name.

 

[Univee2]

In the off season Archie made a comment about letting Devante be Devante. I believe he meant accepting some of the bad-trying to do too much, out of control sometimes, etc.- to gain the good.
Every year we wonder which player will make that Olidipo jump.
Imagine if Devante makes dramatically more good decisions.
He could become a national level name.

Who is this "Devante" of whom you speak?

 

[gator mcCluskey]

after two games it’s clear Devonte is the leader. He is poised, calm, cool, collected. You can already see it in his demeanor.

He is the leader of the team. A true senior leader. This is what IU has always been built on, seniors stepping up.

Can only imagine how much better he will become as the season progresses.

Devonte, major improved Justin Smith, stud Frosh TJD, along with awesome depth makes this team potential off the charts better than natl media ever expected.

Gonna be a fun season.

I hope not, but I’m trying to be optimistic right now. If we finish in the bottom half of the league and miss the NCAAs again, then we’ll know you were right.

 

[MonroeCity]

Devonte was for the most part under control and let the game come to him. Made some good passes that didn't get rewarded.

 

[VanHoosier]

Green has been more under control than last year but he still makes that one handed pass that I hate, that will be a turnover against better teams. Not sure I'd deem this "Devonte's team" but his leadership is vital regardless. Brunks experience can not be over looked as well.

You have to like the depth, I figured we'd wear Princeton down last night in the second half... hope to see that a lot this season. I think in a game that goes down to the wire I'd rather see the ball in TJD's hands than Greens for the last possession. JMO.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

after two games it’s clear Devonte is the leader. He is poised, calm, cool, collected. You can already see it in his demeanor.

He is the leader of the team. A true senior leader. This is what IU has always been built on, seniors stepping up.

Can only imagine how much better he will become as the season progresses.

Devonte, major improved Justin Smith, stud Frosh TJD, along with awesome depth makes this team potential off the charts better than natl media ever expected.

Gonna be a fun season.

I'm skeptical of him as a person and as a player........we'll see.

Where are those people who said DG wouldn't play PG this year....strictly off the ball? That was always a non-starter. He's never been the type of guy to assume such a role, for better or worse.

 

[Hatchets7times]

Green has moxie..And some court swagger..
When conference games kick in and we absolutely have to to have a bucket .Ie) Shot clock running down or in the last two minutes...Green has the ability to get it..Every team needs a guy like this..Edwards was a good example for the Bolier's

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Green has moxie..And some court swagger..
When conference games kick in and we absolutely have to to have a bucket .Ie) Shot clock running down or in the last two minutes...Green has the ability to get it..Every team needs a guy like this..Edwards was a good example for the Bolier's

He's got too much moxie and too much swagger for his abilities. He's got LeBron level moxie and swagger and HM ABT level ability.

 

[MrBing]

I hope not, but I’m trying to be optimistic right now. If we finish in the bottom half of the league and miss the NCAAs again, then we’ll know you were right.

You don't hope for a good season?

 

[iubud]

I'm skeptical of him as a person and as a player........we'll see.

Where are those people who said DG wouldn't play PG this year....strictly off the ball? That was always a non-starter. He's never been the type of guy to assume such a role, for better or worse.

He would have had many more assists last night if Race hadn't missed two layups and if Brunk hadn't mishandled an entry pass. I thought he was fantastic for his second game! He didn't try to do too much in his first game. I suggest we take it game by game and wait until he gives us a reason to be concerned.

Devonte was the best guard we had last night. He wasn't the one taking bad shots in the first half. I can remember at least 4 shots that were either too early without a single pass or a player taking a shot that is out of their range. Devonte makes us a better team. I wouldn't have said that until late last year. I've seen nothing so far to change that opinion.

Devonte saved a possession by making a contested 3 with the shot clock winding down. I can't think of anyone else I would want to take that shot on this team.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

He's got too much moxie and too much swagger for his abilities. He's got LeBron level moxie and swagger and HM ABT level ability.

Geez, the crap some people manufacture/complain about. Next it'll be about how TJD needs a haircut and/or how Aljami smiles too much...

 

[cshartle123]

Archie has gotten through to him. The ball doesn’t slow down when he gets it. He is not as focused on creating offense for himself. We will have to see more, but he may be the most improved this year.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

Archie has gotten through to him. The ball doesn’t slow down when he gets it. He is not as focused on creating offense for himself. We will have to see more, but he may be the most improved this year.

Oh c'mon, how can that be? Any number of folk posting here that wanted him gone last year, said he should never see another minute on the Court or that he didn't deserve to wear the candy-stripes.

 

[cshartle123]

Oh c'mon, how can that be? Any number of folk posting here that wanted him gone last year, said he should never see another minute on the Court or that he didn't deserve to wear the candy-stripes.

I was one of them. His body of work at IU has been mostly selfish, attention seeking play. That’s why I am saying he might be most improved.

 

[gator mcCluskey]

You don't hope for a good season?

I do hope for a good season. Someone saying this is “Devonte’s team” doesn’t boost my spirits.

 

[MrBing]

I do hope for a good season. Someone saying this is “Devonte’s team” doesn’t boost my spirits.

He's a team captain. When he's under control he's very good and I think he demonstrated some leadership skills last night.

 

[VanPastorMan]

He would have had many more assists last night if Race hadn't missed two layups and if Brunk hadn't mishandled an entry pass. I thought he was fantastic for his second game! He didn't try to do too much in his first game. I suggest we take it game by game and wait until he gives us a reason to be concerned.

Devonte was the best guard we had last night. He wasn't the one taking bad shots in the first half. I can remember at least 4 shots that were either too early without a single pass or a player taking a shot that is out of their range. Devonte makes us a better team. I wouldn't have said that until late last year. I've seen nothing so far to change that opinion.

Devonte saved a possession by making a contested 3 with the shot clock winding down. I can't think of anyone else I would want to take that shot on this team.

I thought it was funny how the announcers said that Brunk padded his rebounding stats by missing the shot and then tapping it in. I really liked Brunk last night. His energy was infectious.

 

[still4IU]

Archie has gotten through to him. The ball doesn’t slow down when he gets it. He is not as focused on creating offense for himself. We will have to see more, but he may be the most improved this year.

And you can be sure that if he does not play the way CAM wants him to he will be on the bench. CAM is not messing around this year.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

I was one of them. His body of work at IU has been mostly selfish, attention seeking play. That’s why I am saying he might be most improved.

Don't know near enough to cast him as "selfish" - going for the 'glory' isn't necessarily a 'me' thing, someone just caught up in the heat of the moment could well do just the same.

Clear he has NBA-level court vision, solid defensive/shooting skills, and better handles that most. One thing he's light on is penetration to the rack and finishing when he gets there, but if he really was as 'selfish' as many claim, seems he'd attempt that far more often than he has/does.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

He would have had many more assists last night if Race hadn't missed two layups and if Brunk hadn't mishandled an entry pass. I thought he was fantastic for his second game! He didn't try to do too much in his first game. I suggest we take it game by game and wait until he gives us a reason to be concerned.

Devonte was the best guard we had last night. He wasn't the one taking bad shots in the first half. I can remember at least 4 shots that were either too early without a single pass or a player taking a shot that is out of their range. Devonte makes us a better team. I wouldn't have said that until late last year. I've seen nothing so far to change that opinion.

Devonte saved a possession by making a contested 3 with the shot clock winding down. I can't think of anyone else I would want to take that shot on this team.

I don't disagree with any of this.......I'm just saying pump the brakes a little. I'm not sure he's a guy that can be counted on. We will see.

 

[cshartle123]

Don't know near enough to cast him as "selfish" - going for the 'glory' isn't necessarily a 'me' thing, someone just caught up in the heat of the moment could well do just the same.

Clear he has NBA-level court vision, solid defensive/shooting skills, and better handles that most. One thing he's light on is penetration to the rack and finishing when he gets there, but if he really was as 'selfish' as many claim, seems he'd attempt that far more often than he has/does.

I characterize selfish play as trying to make plays out of the context of the offense. Jacking up I’ll advised shots and making no look passes has been his legacy thus far. We will see if he has matured when the competition heats up, and the only way to win is to rely on his teammates.

 

[iubud]

I don't disagree with any of this.......I'm just saying pump the brakes a little. I'm not sure he's a guy that can be counted on. We will see.

Nobody is perfect. There will be games that he can't make a shot or have a bad game. The NIT games were a chance to play as the leader and knowing he was the #1 option. He did a very good job. Our issue wasn't his play. Our issue among other things was that we had Morgan and sometimes Phinisee as the only other players that could score.

Stop waiting and expecting for him to fail. One game isn't a trend. I don't expect he will be the player he was the first 2 years. I also don't expect him to be perfect. I just know I was happy to have him in the NIT and he seems to be that same player in his first two games this year.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

I characterize selfish play as trying to make plays out of the context of the offense. Jacking up I’ll advised shots and making no look passes has been his legacy thus far. We will see if he has matured when the competition heats up, and the only way to win is to rely on his teammates.

Then that strikes me as ill-advised or even stupid - but not selfish. And "legacy"? Might early for that, but if you look at his recent body of work (last ten games), he's been the best Player on the Team (nod to Juwan) - seems that the maturation you're awaiting has already happened. As for "the only way to win" is to rely on Teammates bit, there's that but also that he may be the only guy on the Roster that could deliver on a night when that isn't happening a la OSU in last year's B10 Tourney.

DG is IU's point guard and the Team is simply, visibly and statistically better when he's on the Floor. Good chance he starts every Game the rest of the Season - be encouraging if the fans would stop second-guessing him AND the Coaches about whether he's ready or some such.

 

[cryano]

Oh c'mon, how can that be? Any number of folk posting here that wanted him gone last year, said he should never see another minute on the Court or that he didn't deserve to wear the candy-stripes.

Him and Justin Smith...the ‘Crean leftovers’...

 

[cryano]

And you can be sure that if he does not play the way CAM wants him to he will be on the bench. CAM is not messing around this year.

Thats good to hear!
He messed around an awful lot the previous two.
Im glad he is ready to take this ‘winning at IU’-thing seriously...

 

[hondo314]

Thats good to hear!
He messed around an awful lot the previous two.
Im glad he is ready to take this ‘winning at IU’-thing seriously...

Yawn

 

[baileyiu]

He's a team captain. When he's under control he's very good and I think he demonstrated some leadership skills last night.

“SOME” - he was by far the best leader on the court last night!

 

[T.M.P.]

DG is IU's point guard

No he's not.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

No he's not.

Was yesterday. Keeps playing like that, hard to see otherwise. Robert is solid, but nowhere near the dynamicism/dimensionality that DG brings to the Court. You can make the case that Devo is better suited as a scoring guard, but if we're going to confine ourselves to a discussion about classic roles/positions, right now he's a better PG than Robert. One could cite Rob's being injured, but even at his best last year, don't recall that being near DG at his.

For my part not all that concerned about labeling what a Player does or doesn't do with a designated role per se, only in whether it works. Mostly just pleased that IU has depth in the backcourt and we've the luxury to debate/be burdened by this kind of 'problem'.

 

[T.M.P.]

Was yesterday.

At times ... mostly it was Al.

the rest of your post, maybe you should wait awhile to make those claims.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

At times ... mostly it was Al.

the rest of your post, maybe you should wait awhile to make those claims.

Just how I see it so far. In awhile the Players will make their own claims.

 

[TR32]

Green is a complex young man. I think he has taken a lot of criticism to heart and it resulted in some backlash last season. Since then, in my estimation, the coaching staff has worked with him, calmed him down and given him confidence and the keys to the convertible.
I think IU will only succeed if they truly share the ball and don't try to find a shot clock savior. I think Green will prosper as a leader if he is NOT asked to do too much. He was the most talented player on the floor vs Princeton, but he cannot be held to a Morgan-like standard. It just won't work.

Devonte is a combo guard and he hits some amazing shots, but he also averages about one airball teardrop per game. The team can stay together and win together, and Devonte can bring leadership on both sides of the ball.

 

[jsig]

Geez, the crap some people manufacture/complain about. Next it'll be about how TJD needs a haircut and/or how Aljami smiles too much...

That would be Damezi who needs a a hair cut.

 

[baileyiu]

That would be Damezi who needs a a hair cut.

Neither of them needs a haircut!

 

[HereYouGoIU]

I do hope for a good season. Someone saying this is “Devonte’s team” doesn’t boost my spirits.

whose team is it? Brunk, lol

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

we will see just how improved everyone is in 2 weeks when we have to put on the red jerseys and jog out onto the court at Kohl Center. Then we'll know.

 

[jsig]

Neither of them needs a haircut!

I know and don't care who does what with hair. I think somebody was complaining about Damezi's hair in the past so was surprised to see TJD being referenced in the need a haircut gallery.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Was yesterday. Keeps playing like that, hard to see otherwise. Robert is solid, but nowhere near the dynamicism/dimensionality that DG brings to the Court. You can make the case that Devo is better suited as a scoring guard, but if we're going to confine ourselves to a discussion about classic roles/positions, right now he's a better PG than Robert. One could cite Rob's being injured, but even at his best last year, don't recall that being near DG at his.

For my part not all that concerned about labeling what a Player does or doesn't do with a designated role per se, only in whether it works. Mostly just pleased that IU has depth in the backcourt and we've the luxury to debate/be burdened by this kind of 'problem'.

Your memory isn't so great.

 

[iubud]

Was yesterday. Keeps playing like that, hard to see otherwise. Robert is solid, but nowhere near the dynamicism/dimensionality that DG brings to the Court. You can make the case that Devo is better suited as a scoring guard, but if we're going to confine ourselves to a discussion about classic roles/positions, right now he's a better PG than Robert. One could cite Rob's being injured, but even at his best last year, don't recall that being near DG at his.

For my part not all that concerned about labeling what a Player does or doesn't do with a designated role per se, only in whether it works. Mostly just pleased that IU has depth in the backcourt and we've the luxury to debate/be burdened by this kind of 'problem'.

The way we are wanting to move the ball and getting the ball inside, I expect assist totals to be spread out among Green, Phinisee, Durham and Franklin. A PG does more than getting assists and bringing the ball up the court to make the first pass. Almost anyone could do that. They don't stop being a PG after that first pass. The PG is a disciplined player that can see what is happening on the entire court.

I'm not saying Green can't play the position. Phinisee not only plays PG, he plays it like a PG. He sees the big picture and understands his responsibilities. Green is a scorer and at his best when that is that role.