Is Dexter the Answer?
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With this offensive line not sure there is an answer, but Dexter provides a better chance.
It opens up the run game a little bit and they still have to respect his arm even if he misses on some. TOP may improve some but I don’t expect a whole lot more scoring.
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It seemed to slow down the rush a little as they couldn't just key in on the running back and had to respect the possibility of dexter keeping it.
The first answer is a competent offensive line.
I know Baze would fare much better if he had some confidence he had time to throw but I maintain the overthrows are a fundamental flaw that cannot be passed off on the line. It was an issue before he got here. If he hasn't adjusted by now I don't think he is going to. He's good for a pick a game, drives me bonkers.
I'm not ready to anoint Dexter. 10-30 (.333), 148 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs. But he gives you a chance since he can move around in the pocket and take off if need be. Baze is a sitting duck.
CrimsonCast is asking if it is even fair to try and evaluate Walt Bell (and the QB) with an oline that is so poor. That's a fair point but I do feel like I've seen enough and I'm not really sold on Bell. I'm not into hyper-tempo. And I feel like some of the silliness with the QB situation has to be on him.
I know Baze would fare much better if he had some confidence he had time to throw but I maintain the overthrows are a fundamental flaw that cannot be passed off on the line. It was an issue before he got here. If he hasn't adjusted by now I don't think he is going to. He's good for a pick a game, drives me bonkers.
I'm not ready to anoint Dexter. 10-30 (.333), 148 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs. But he gives you a chance since he can move around in the pocket and take off if need be. Baze is a sitting duck.
CrimsonCast is asking if it is even fair to try and evaluate Walt Bell (and the QB) with an oline that is so poor. That's a fair point but I do feel like I've seen enough and I'm not really sold on Bell. I'm not into hyper-tempo. And I feel like some of the silliness with the QB situation has to be on him.
I personally like Bell’s offensive philosophy. I think the season has shown he doesn’t have the horses to run it and it’s a very fair criticism to say a coach should adapt to his players and he hasn’t shown that he can.
I think Dexter provides a needed spark. I still think he’s very raw and it shows. He clearly needs reps. My biggest fear with him if he starts the last two games is that he’ll start running more than anything and not really develop his throwing and it may slow (or reverse) growth. I think we kind of saw that with Dmac last season. They did him no favors with how he was used.
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We need an OC that has shown that he can do more with a talent deficiency (when compared to the competition). Someone that can use an offense that makes use of the current players and what they can do while trying to minimize their weaknesses.
Saying this is my offense regardless of how well the current roster is capable of running it isn't going to be a recipe for success. If you want to have a specific offense that doesn't currently fit then it's more something you recruit towards for the future but not something to force square pegs into round holes so to speak in the present.
Hopefully Carey is getting the problems with the OL addressed (although real gains probably won't be seen until he has them for the offseason) but I think replacing Bell should be on the table.
If Allen is kept, then I'm sure he is going to be feeling the pressure to figure out what is wrong and who is holding us back.
If the rumored rift between Bell and Allen is accurate and we are looking for an OC again, then I think we would be better off looking at someone that has done well at a mid-major or even FCS. Someone that has had the offense playing above their talent level would otherwise suggest.
OCs or coaches that are used to having a talent advantage are more of a gamble IMO because they may look good simply because they have had better players than their competition. IU is often at talent disadvantage and needs someone that is used to that.
Saying this is my offense regardless of how well the current roster is capable of running it isn't going to be a recipe for success. If you want to have a specific offense that doesn't currently fit then it's more something you recruit towards for the future but not something to force square pegs into round holes so to speak in the present.
Hopefully Carey is getting the problems with the OL addressed (although real gains probably won't be seen until he has them for the offseason) but I think replacing Bell should be on the table.
If Allen is kept, then I'm sure he is going to be feeling the pressure to figure out what is wrong and who is holding us back.
If the rumored rift between Bell and Allen is accurate and we are looking for an OC again, then I think we would be better off looking at someone that has done well at a mid-major or even FCS. Someone that has had the offense playing above their talent level would otherwise suggest.
OCs or coaches that are used to having a talent advantage are more of a gamble IMO because they may look good simply because they have had better players than their competition. IU is often at talent disadvantage and needs someone that is used to that.
As a coach you don't ask players to do something they can't, like continually asking them to protect in a no back set. That's my rub with Bell, it was a bit better last week
On another train of thought....
I'm wondering if McCulley decided it was better for his health not to play behind this OL and asked to move to WR instead. Let's hope Williams isn't similarly ruined.
I'm wondering if McCulley decided it was better for his health not to play behind this OL and asked to move to WR instead. Let's hope Williams isn't similarly ruined.
If he's an accurate passer and good decision maker, yes. The rest of what he brings will make up for not having a great offensive line. Which I think is probably likely no matter who his coach is at IU the next few years.
But if he's not an accurate passer, none of the athleticism matters much. There are a lot of really fast Linebackers and safeties in the B10 that will be able to contain him if they know he isn't a viable passing threat.
But if he's not an accurate passer, none of the athleticism matters much. There are a lot of really fast Linebackers and safeties in the B10 that will be able to contain him if they know he isn't a viable passing threat.
We won't know how he will develop as he hasn't had much opportunity to develop so far. Coach DeBoer thought Dexter would be the answer for his offense so he thought he would be accurate enough. Bell's offense isn't right for IU due to the differently talent IU faces with OSU, UM, PSU etc because playing twos and threes kills the chances of winning the game.
He might be the answer, but we need to put in a new offense geared to Williams strengths.
I think Williams has played well enough to have earned the start at MSU.
He’ll need to amaze us all for an IU victory.
OSU gains shows he has the best speed since Victor D.
He’ll need to amaze us all for an IU victory.
OSU gains shows he has the best speed since Victor D.
MSU has won 3 out of 4. And played Michigan fairly tough. They’ll beat us handily I’m sure.
Good points, one thing about football is that there's not necessarily one right answer. Not all schemes are created equal but I do think you can win with multiple different philosophies. Winning has a lot to do with how well the system is coached and how much buy-in there is. And then what you said how well does what you're running correspond to the strengths and talent you have. The great coaches are able to squeeze a few extra drops out of each lemon and collectively those extra drops add up.
Also you have to evolve as the game evolves. I forget exactly who it was but someone mentioned that Allen's 4-2-5 was the cutting edge a couple years ago but CFB has caught up to it yet basically CTA keeps going back to the well expecting previous results. I would need more support to say that this is indeed what happened but it makes the point you can't be stagnant and think that you've arrived.
I used to have little interest in dual-threat quarterbacks. I wanted a drop-back pocket guy like Brady or Manning. My view on this has changed, I will take a guy who can make plays with his legs now but with the caveat that he should still be throw first. Run the offense, go through your progression, and take off only when it's not there. Then get down or get out of bounds, no need to be a hero.
Okay I'll quit rambling now...
Kinda how I look at it. If you want an advantage you've got to create a change. If you want to try and keep up you better change.
The 4 2 5 was great because Mark Hagen built a great DL and got pressure. Now we don't get pressure and can't stop the run either.
Feel very comfortable with Dexter running the offense playing QB. He appears to be the only QB on the roster to make good things happen. The best we have for the OL we've got.
We will see if coach Bell can adjust his offense to Dexter's talent but so far Bell hasn't shown the ability to adjust.
OSU's front changed when Dexter went in but in the 4th quarter, they started blitzing everyone and Bell didn't adjust the offense to counter that. I still think Coach Allen needs to let Bell go and get a better OC next year.
OSU's front changed when Dexter went in but in the 4th quarter, they started blitzing everyone and Bell didn't adjust the offense to counter that. I still think Coach Allen needs to let Bell go and get a better OC next year.
If next Spring rolls around and it leaks out that Dexter has requested a move to WR, I guess we'll know how these guys really feel about some of their teammates.
Watch Purdue's DL now, they don't have a good pass rush but the line keeps guys off the LB almost completely. Their LBs look like they are wading thru cow shit (maybe they really are) and DBs can't tackle. But the DL does its job.
Thanks Hagen!
Hagen was / is a really good coach and an even better recruiter. Wish we still had him.
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