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Is Biden seriously trying to rekindle relations with Iran, Venezuela and Saudi right now?

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Did he not learn a god damn thing about negotiation during his decades in Washington? You cannot negotiate a favorable outcome when you don't hold the leverage. JFC, this is 101.

Those nations are horrendous, for various reasons. We're now going to overlook that because he and his predecessor abandoned sound U.S. energy policy for green hypotheticals.
 
Did he not learn a god damn thing about negotiation during his decades in Washington? You cannot negotiate a favorable outcome when you don't hold the leverage. JFC, this is 101.

Those nations are horrendous, for various reasons. We're now going to overlook that because he and his predecessor abandoned sound U.S. energy policy for green hypotheticals.
Might be he's just trying to play the "there's plenty of shitty regimes to do business with, not just YOU" card as loudly as he can. We'll see how far any of this actually goes.
 
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Did he not learn a god damn thing about negotiation during his decades in Washington? You cannot negotiate a favorable outcome when you don't hold the leverage. JFC, this is 101.

Those nations are horrendous, for various reasons. We're now going to overlook that because he and his predecessor abandoned sound U.S. energy policy for green hypotheticals.
Trump looks pretty good about now, huh?
 
Churchill once said if Hitler invaded hell, he (Churchill) would put in a kind word for Satan to parliament.

Many here have quoted Romney that Russia is our biggest threat. If that is true, what difference does Venezuela make? It might be a horrible place right now, but they aren't a threat to the US. We spent the cold war siding with some very evil people.

Iran might be different since one can argue a nuclear Iran is a threat. But Iran is fighting Russian troops in Syria.
 
Churchill once said if Hitler invaded hell, he (Churchill) would put in a kind word for Satan to parliament.

Many here have quoted Romney that Russia is our biggest threat. If that is true, what difference does Venezuela make? It might be a horrible place right now, but they aren't a threat to the US. We spent the cold war siding with some very evil people.

Iran might be different since one can argue a nuclear Iran is a threat. But Iran is fighting Russian troops in Syria.

Do we have any morals any longer? We know all three of these governments treat their people like shit, two of the three are known sponsors of terrorism, etc.

Why would we negotiate with known liars, knowing that they'll never abide by whatever terms they abide by?
 
Do we have any morals any longer? We know all three of these governments treat their people like shit, two of the three are known sponsors of terrorism, etc.

Why would we negotiate with known liars, knowing that they'll never abide by whatever terms they abide by?
Like I said, go back to the cold war. We supported dictators all over the world. Carter took over and said we were not going to do that again and was very much disliked by those right of center.
 
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Like I said, go back to the cold war. We supported dictators all over the world. Carter took over and said we were not going to do that again and was very much disliked by those right of center.

But we're trying to play nice with these countries while threatening sanctions for China... it don't make no sense.

 
Like I said, go back to the cold war. We supported dictators all over the world. Carter took over and said we were not going to do that again and was very much disliked by those right of center.
Carter was a simp and his foreign policy a disaster.

He allowed the Ayatollah to take over and we're still paying for it.
 
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But we're trying to play nice with these countries while threatening sanctions for China... it don't make no sense.

If we are going to a human rights based foreign policy, China needs sanctions as well as those countries. I have zero problems with basing foreign policy on human rights. But I've been told by free-marketeers that the markets create human rights. So if we want to create a set of criteria for US trade based on human rights, I'll sign up. But my guess is no one is about to leave China.

We need to move from Saudi Arabia. I have no love of Venezuela. We've made mistakes with Iran but using sanctions to try and move them isn't a terrible idea. It won't work (hasn't worked in Cuba for 60 years). But at this moment we are faced with a simple fact, the last economic tool left to do with Russia is to stop buying their oil/NG. But if we do that, China will offer to buy it at a 20% discount. If oil/NG prices are at or over record prices, Russia still makes a LOT of money. So what is the fastest way to collapse the cost of oil? I've seen the Baker-Hughes rig counts, we have been a year of steady growth in rigs. But it isn't fast, there isn't a magical way to get more American drilling tomorrow. You can see below, the US has 247 more rigs than 1 year ago.


So if we are serious about not buying Russian oil/NG, we are stuck. We have to decide if we want to punish Russia or punish Venezuela because punishing both isn't likely to do anything to Russia.
 
If we are going to a human rights based foreign policy, China needs sanctions as well as those countries. I have zero problems with basing foreign policy on human rights. But I've been told by free-marketeers that the markets create human rights. So if we want to create a set of criteria for US trade based on human rights, I'll sign up. But my guess is no one is about to leave China.

We need to move from Saudi Arabia. I have no love of Venezuela. We've made mistakes with Iran but using sanctions to try and move them isn't a terrible idea. It won't work (hasn't worked in Cuba for 60 years). But at this moment we are faced with a simple fact, the last economic tool left to do with Russia is to stop buying their oil/NG. But if we do that, China will offer to buy it at a 20% discount. If oil/NG prices are at or over record prices, Russia still makes a LOT of money. So what is the fastest way to collapse the cost of oil? I've seen the Baker-Hughes rig counts, we have been a year of steady growth in rigs. But it isn't fast, there isn't a magical way to get more American drilling tomorrow. You can see below, the US has 247 more rigs than 1 year ago.


So if we are serious about not buying Russian oil/NG, we are stuck. We have to decide if we want to punish Russia or punish Venezuela because punishing both isn't likely to do anything to Russia.
As Blinken and Biden destroy US energy interests globally…China will benefit from these missteps.
 
As Blinken and Biden destroy US energy interests globally…China will benefit from these missteps.
We have many more rigs than a year ago and we are approving more permits for wells than Trump did, but the narrative that Biden destroying energy won't go away. Environmentalists are growing more unhappy with Biden than you are.

It is awful hard to get non-polluting energy going if oil/NG is basically free. Many people here support nuclear power, how can anyone afford to build a nuclear power plant if NG is basically free? So it isn't just the green power that is hurt (though nuclear is green but not thought of that way). The current rise has France deciding to build more nukes.

Using less oil and natural gas hurts Russia, it hurts Saudi Arabia, it would hurt Venezuela and Iran on the black market. But we never think of that as an option.

 
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We have many more rigs than a year ago and we are approving more permits for wells than Trump did, but the narrative that Biden destroying energy won't go away. Environmentalists are growing more unhappy with Biden than you are.

It is awful hard to get non-polluting energy going if oil/NG is basically free. Many people here support nuclear power, how can anyone afford to build a nuclear power plant if NG is basically free? So it isn't just the green power that is hurt (though nuclear is green but not thought of that way). The current rise has France deciding to build more nukes.

Using less oil and natural gas hurts Russia, it hurts Saudi Arabia, it would hurt Venezuela and Iran on the black market. But we never think of that as an option.

Western countries want to boycott Russian oil and gas. It will hit Putin hard, but most countries are ill-prepared to deal with the impact from inflation as energy inflation is not only working its way through the economy but reaching new highs almost daily.
 
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“Aramco and Sinopec strengthen ties with potential downstream collaboration in China”

There you go, Marv
 
Did he not learn a god damn thing about negotiation during his decades in Washington? You cannot negotiate a favorable outcome when you don't hold the leverage. JFC, this is 101.

Those nations are horrendous, for various reasons. We're now going to overlook that because he and his predecessor abandoned sound U.S. energy policy for green hypotheticals.
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f--- things up." - Barack Obama...a guy who knows about f---ing up foreign policy.
 
Churchill once said if Hitler invaded hell, he (Churchill) would put in a kind word for Satan to parliament.

Many here have quoted Romney that Russia is our biggest threat. If that is true, what difference does Venezuela make? It might be a horrible place right now, but they aren't a threat to the US. We spent the cold war siding with some very evil people.

Iran might be different since one can argue a nuclear Iran is a threat. But Iran is fighting Russian troops in Syria.
Iran is fighting with Russian troops in Syria, not against. They both back Assad.

Joe's a ****ing idiot. The first moves he made in office were signaling a cut back in domestic production of fossil fuels. Less than a year later he was begging OPEC to pump more. A little over a year later he is going to Iran and Venezuela to beg for more oil. Everybody saw this coming. Trump was warning the dumb ass Europeans that this was coming at the UN and the Germans laughed at him. Romney said the Russians were bad news 10 years ago. They laughed at him too. This wasn't a mistake or an oversight, it was willful ignorance.
 
Iran is fighting with Russian troops in Syria, not against. They both back Assad.

Joe's a ****ing idiot. The first moves he made in office were signaling a cut back in domestic production of fossil fuels. Less than a year later he was begging OPEC to pump more. A little over a year later he is going to Iran and Venezuela to beg for more oil. Everybody saw this coming. Trump was warning the dumb ass Europeans that this was coming at the UN and the Germans laughed at him. Romney said the Russians were bad news 10 years ago. They laughed at him too. This wasn't a mistake or an oversight, it was willful ignorance.

Look at numbers, permits are UP. Producing rigs are UP. Argue facts, not feelings. Does the US have more working oil rigs today than January 20, 2020? Has Biden been issuing more permits than Trump?
 
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Look at numbers, permits are UP. Producing rigs are UP. Argue facts, not feelings. Does the US have more working oil rigs today than January 20, 2020? Has Biden been issuing more permits than Trump?
If I issue you a permit to drill oil in my backyard in Indiana, how much is it worth?

Obama told us over a decade ago that for his side to get their way, our energy bills must necessarily skyrocket. Democrat energy policy has followed that path ever since.

 
Iran is fighting with Russian troops in Syria, not against. They both back Assad.

I'm not sure I have any idea on who is fighting who these days, but this seems to be accurate. Here's a good synopsis of why:

 
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If I issue you a permit to drill oil in my backyard in Indiana, how much is it worth?

Obama told us over a decade ago that for his side to get their way, our energy bills must necessarily skyrocket. Democrat energy policy has followed that path ever since.


So you have proof that Biden has issued permits to your backyard? If so, how did you do it? I'd love for them to find oil in my back yard, years as a youth watching Beverly Hillbillies have trained me for that moment.

Do you favor nuclear power? Again, we can't have it if natural gas is basically free. If there is any realistic chance that global warming is real, we can't say "we need to keep burning more and more gas and oil". It isn't a sustainable model for global health. But every avenue tried to move away results in people demanding a right to burn more and more at ever cheaper costs.
 
If we are going to a human rights based foreign policy, China needs sanctions as well as those countries. I have zero problems with basing foreign policy on human rights. But I've been told by free-marketeers that the markets create human rights. So if we want to create a set of criteria for US trade based on human rights, I'll sign up. But my guess is no one is about to leave China.

We need to move from Saudi Arabia. I have no love of Venezuela. We've made mistakes with Iran but using sanctions to try and move them isn't a terrible idea. It won't work (hasn't worked in Cuba for 60 years). But at this moment we are faced with a simple fact, the last economic tool left to do with Russia is to stop buying their oil/NG. But if we do that, China will offer to buy it at a 20% discount. If oil/NG prices are at or over record prices, Russia still makes a LOT of money. So what is the fastest way to collapse the cost of oil? I've seen the Baker-Hughes rig counts, we have been a year of steady growth in rigs. But it isn't fast, there isn't a magical way to get more American drilling tomorrow. You can see below, the US has 247 more rigs than 1 year ago.


So if we are serious about not buying Russian oil/NG, we are stuck. We have to decide if we want to punish Russia or punish Venezuela because punishing both isn't likely to do anything to Russia.

Well, it's probably a bit too late for that now, isn't it? I'm not smart enough to know about Keystone, etc. but all of that stuff was squashed and held up because of environmental concerns, some of which may be legitimate.

But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. We should take our medicine (higher energy prices) and maintain sanctions on Russia, which are clearly working.
 
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"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f--- things up." - Barack Obama...a guy who knows about f---ing up foreign policy.
You know even if I didn't like a lot of Obama's policies I would feel more comfortable with him in charge rather than Biden. After all I think Obama is pretty intelligent whereas I sure don't think Biden is.
 
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So you have proof that Biden has issued permits to your backyard? If so, how did you do it? I'd love for them to find oil in my back yard, years as a youth watching Beverly Hillbillies have trained me for that moment.

Do you favor nuclear power? Again, we can't have it if natural gas is basically free. If there is any realistic chance that global warming is real, we can't say "we need to keep burning more and more gas and oil". It isn't a sustainable model for global health. But every avenue tried to move away results in people demanding a right to burn more and more at ever cheaper costs.
My backyard was a tongue in cheek comment regarding where permits are being given. If I write one permit in an area that is known to have a huge deposit of natural resources it is worth as much as 100 or more permits in areas that are unknown.

As to your second paragraph, exactly. We aren't talking nuclear power first and foremost because that is verboten as well. However, the rest of your point is exactly what I said. The green alternatives are currently more expensive and less reliable so the only way to force people to change is to make fossil fuels as expensive as possible. Democrat energy policy follows that exact course domestically.
 
We have many more rigs than a year ago and we are approving more permits for wells than Trump did, but the narrative that Biden destroying energy won't go away. Environmentalists are growing more unhappy with Biden than you are.

It is awful hard to get non-polluting energy going if oil/NG is basically free. Many people here support nuclear power, how can anyone afford to build a nuclear power plant if NG is basically free? So it isn't just the green power that is hurt (though nuclear is green but not thought of that way). The current rise has France deciding to build more nukes.

Using less oil and natural gas hurts Russia, it hurts Saudi Arabia, it would hurt Venezuela and Iran on the black market. But we never think of that as an option.

So Biden and liberals should quietly love sanctioning Putin on oil and natural gas especially if Republicans are pushing the legislation. Publicly Biden says he wants to keep the world supply the same and keep oil prices from going up, but privately it’s a boon for the future of renewable energy.
 
No, I'm not surprised. Joe has always been an idiot. He is just moreso now that he has one big senior moment from the time he takes his head off the pillow until it returns each night.
Credibility ⬇️

So far Biden is beating the crap out of Putin in this chess match.
 
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“UK says will phase out the import of Russian oil and oil products by the end of 2022”
 
Well, it's probably a bit too late for that now, isn't it? I'm not smart enough to know about Keystone, etc. but all of that stuff was squashed and held up because of environmental concerns, some of which may be legitimate.

But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. We should take our medicine (higher energy prices) and maintain sanctions on Russia, which are clearly working.
I have no problem with that answer either. I just doubt our ability to suck it up and take on the prices.

The pandemic killed the oil industry. Some companies went under, others scaled production way back. It isn't fast to get all that back up as it was. It is happening but its going to be a while.


If we want to keep Venezuela cornered, I'm for it. But I doubt our desire to deal with the costs. And if the choice becomes Venezuela cornered or Russia cornered, I choose Russia.
 
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My backyard was a tongue in cheek comment regarding where permits are being given. If I write one permit in an area that is known to have a huge deposit of natural resources it is worth as much as 100 or more permits in areas that are unknown.

As to your second paragraph, exactly. We aren't talking nuclear power first and foremost because that is verboten as well. However, the rest of your point is exactly what I said. The green alternatives are currently more expensive and less reliable so the only way to force people to change is to make fossil fuels as expensive as possible. Democrat energy policy follows that exact course domestically.
I heard yesterday that there are 21 nuclear plants in Europe that are currently mothballed and were shut down after Fukushima (sp?).

They can still produce their own energy if they need to. Both Europe and the US need to get over their fear of nuclear energy if we're to make Russia an impotent energy exporter.
 
My backyard was a tongue in cheek comment regarding where permits are being given. If I write one permit in an area that is known to have a huge deposit of natural resources it is worth as much as 100 or more permits in areas that are unknown.

As to your second paragraph, exactly. We aren't talking nuclear power first and foremost because that is verboten as well. However, the rest of your point is exactly what I said. The green alternatives are currently more expensive and less reliable so the only way to force people to change is to make fossil fuels as expensive as possible. Democrat energy policy follows that exact course domestically.

Drat, I wanted to move to Beverly Hills. But that was a sarcastic way of saying what evidence do you have we are not permitting known areas? I know we have had a ton of Gulf permits, we know a lot of the Gulf has oil.

Free gas isn't in our long-term best interest, it just isn't.
 
Drat, I wanted to move to Beverly Hills. But that was a sarcastic way of saying what evidence do you have we are not permitting known areas? I know we have had a ton of Gulf permits, we know a lot of the Gulf has oil.

Free gas isn't in our long-term best interest, it just isn't.
The oil industry is saying it. Why would they not use those permits if they were profitable?

C'mon, man!
 
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