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International wing Harun Zrno announcing college decision on Friday

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Is it me or is it hard to get excited over anything related to this team?
The kid, who will be 21 when the next season starts, is a sharpshooter; but with the sad state of affairs here, he'd lose his shooting touch as soon as he dons a pair of candy-striped pants.
I imagine he'll be offered tons of $$$ so we might well be serious consideration.
Does anyone really care at this point?
 
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If you would have asked me this morning what the odds are of IU landing him, I would have said about .0000001%. That's just where I am with this program. However, my son texted me a bit ago and I guess Trilly put in his pick that Zrno is choosing IU. Happy for this, but shocked if it is true.

I'm guessing the combo of NIL and IU's status (as old as it is) coupled with him not being as familiar with the day to day college basketball world may have worked in our favor. Guess we'll see at 12:30.
 
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If you would have asked me this morning what the odds are of IU landing him, I would have said about .0000001%. That's just where I am with this program. However, my son texted me a bit ago and I guess Trilly put in his pick that Zrno is choosing IU. Happy for this, but shocked if it is true.

I'm guessing the combo of NIL and IU's status (as old as it is) coupled with him not being as familiar with the day to day college basketball world may have worked in our favor. Guess we'll see at 12:30.
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Ben McCollum as our coach

Bennett Stirtz
Myles Rice
Bryson Tucker
This Foreign Fella (that I know nothing about)

Talk about hitting the ground running?!
 
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MTBRider22 said:
If you would have asked me this morning what the odds are of IU landing him, I would have said about .0000001%. That's just where I am with this program. However, my son texted me a bit ago and I guess Trilly put in his pick that Zrno is choosing IU. Happy for this, but shocked if it is true.

I'm guessing the combo of NIL and IU's status (as old as it is) coupled with him not being as familiar with the day to day college basketball world may have worked in our favor. Guess we'll see at 12:30.
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It’s an odd one. I suppose the player and likely new coach can figure out if the commitment still works.

I would guess our players are on big money, I could see a lot of these deals not working for the next coach…
 
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It’s an odd one. I suppose the player and likely new coach can figure out if the commitment still works.

I would guess our players are on big money, I could see a lot of these deals not working for the next coach…
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My strong suspicion is the next coach will come in, and mainly just decide who of the current players they want to "recruit" back to play for them. Those that he does, will keep their current NIL setup, if not improve it. Those he doesn't...well...them and their NIL will be opened up.

My theory is guys like Rice, Carlyle, Tucker...despite stuff that they might have said publicly, chose IU as much or even more than anything, because of the NIL packages. None of those guys fit Woodson's style. None of them had enough time to really get to know Woodson with a longer recruiting process before committing.

Having said all that...his list of schools is an odd mix, for sure. IU, stylistically, is the odd team out on that list. I suspect NIL has us on the list. And if that's in any way true, and if the next coach values the foreign kid, or Rice, or Carlyle, or whoever...I would say they're just as likely to be at IU next year for new coach than they are for Woodson.
 
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Bippy said:
Is it me or is it hard to get excited over anything related to this team?
The kid, who will be 21 when the next season starts, is a sharpshooter; but with the sad state of affairs here, he'd lose his shooting touch as soon as he dons a pair of candy-striped pants.
I imagine he'll be offered tons of $$$ so we might as well serious consideration.
Does anyone really care at this point?
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Ferguson about to write him a massive massive check with the cooks money
 
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My strong suspicion is the next coach will come in, and mainly just decide who of the current players they want to "recruit" back to play for them. Those that he does, will keep their current NIL setup, if not improve it. Those he doesn't...well...them and their NIL will be opened up.

My theory is guys like Rice, Carlyle, Tucker...despite stuff that they might have said publicly, chose IU as much or even more than anything, because of the NIL packages. None of those guys fit Woodson's style. None of them had enough time to really get to know Woodson with a longer recruiting process before committing.

Having said all that...his list of schools is an odd mix, for sure. IU, stylistically, is the odd team out on that list. I suspect NIL has us on the list. And if that's in any way true, and if the next coach values the foreign kid, or Rice, or Carlyle, or whoever...I would say they're just as likely to be at IU next year for new coach than they are for Woodson.
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There is not one guy on this roster I would want back. they all played for woodson so no thanks.
 
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I understand this thinking, but with proper coaching, spacing on offense and defensive accountability, I'd gladly take Rice, Reneau and Tucker back.
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Well you better write them huge checks because Ferguson made sure they are paid more then most guys in the big ten.
 
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Throw in a Steve Novak college type would be very interesting along with a bruiser.
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McCollum's system, with heavy emphasis on Pick n Pop, instead of pick n roll...fits emerging 3 and D bigs very well.

Don't have a specific guy in mind...but yes, a Novak type, Ivisic or Humrichous for Illinois...really any big that can pop and hit threes...and defend and rebound on the other end.
 
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There is not one guy on this roster I would want back. they all played for woodson so no thanks.
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There are multiple guys I'd take back, with a different coach...but who the coach is, and what style they play, would determine exactly who.

I think this level of analysis should be happening by Dolson right now. If this foreign kid chooses IU, and he's an impact level player... Finding a coach that guys like Rice, Tucker, the foreign kid, etc...would likely thrive playing for, should be one of the factors being considered.

Honestly...haven't even thought about what kind of style or program would fit our most talented guys that have eligibility left, like Rice, Tucker, Mgbako, etc... But I hope Dolson is including that in his thought process...or that he will when their is a search.

I used McCollum as an example...because he has another very high level player, Bennett Stirtz, that I would think would follow him to IU. And without knowing exactly how this foreign kid plays...typical skilled, foreign wings, fit McCollum's overall Pick n Pop, force 2 on 1 for kickouts type of style, very well.
 
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There are multiple guys I'd take back, with a different coach...but who the coach is, and what style they play, would determine exactly who.

I think this level of analysis should be happening by Dolson right now. If this foreign kid chooses IU, and he's an impact level player... Finding a coach that guys like Rice, Tucker, the foreign kid, etc...would likely thrive playing for, should be one of the factors being considered.

Honestly...haven't even thought about what kind of style or program would fit our most talented guys that have eligibility left, like Rice, Tucker, Mgbako, etc... But I hope Dolson is including that in his thought process...or that he will when their is a search.

I used McCollum as an example...because he has another very high level player, Bennett Stirtz, that I would think would follow him to IU. And without knowing exactly how this foreign kid plays...typical skilled, foreign wings, fit McCollum's overall Pick n Pop, force 2 on 1 for kickouts type of style, very well.
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But are they willing to take pay cuts? Woodson and Ferguson way overpaid for alot of these guys and they are not worth what they are being paid. Carlye is probably making four times as much as other guys in the big ten who are having way better years. These guys are now used to big fat paychecks that they are not worth. Do you really want to pay tucker 800k to come back?
 
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But are they willing to take pay cuts? Woodson and Ferguson way overpaid for alot of these guys and they are not worth what they are being paid.
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Who said they'd have to take pay cuts? IU's NIL isn't a finite number.
 
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There are multiple guys I'd take back, with a different coach...but who the coach is, and what style they play, would determine exactly who.

I think this level of analysis should be happening by Dolson right now. If this foreign kid chooses IU, and he's an impact level player... Finding a coach that guys like Rice, Tucker, the foreign kid, etc...would likely thrive playing for, should be one of the factors being considered.

Honestly...haven't even thought about what kind of style or program would fit our most talented guys that have eligibility left, like Rice, Tucker, Mgbako, etc... But I hope Dolson is including that in his thought process...or that he will when their is a search.

I used McCollum as an example...because he has another very high level player, Bennett Stirtz, that I would think would follow him to IU. And without knowing exactly how this foreign kid plays...typical skilled, foreign wings, fit McCollum's overall Pick n Pop, force 2 on 1 for kickouts type of style, very well.
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Players come and go. Some are here for a year. I don't think it makes sense to hire a coach to fit the players you have. Hire a good coach, let him build the roster he wants. From scratch if necessary.
 
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Players come and go. Some are here for a year. I don't think it makes sense to hire a coach to fit the players you have. Hire a good coach, let him build the roster he wants. From scratch if necessary.
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For sure...at the core of it, you're right.

But I don't think having an idea on the types of coaches that Myles Rice, Tucker, maybe this foreign kid...your impact level guys... having an idea on what style and coaches they'd thrive under, is a bad thing.

I know I've been parroting that our NIL will allow the new coach to fill his roster how he sees fit. But we do have some very talented guys already in the building...if the new coach could use them, get more out of them, etc... its a head start on building a competitive team.
 
Bippy said:
Is it me or is it hard to get excited over anything related to this team?
The kid, who will be 21 when the next season starts, is a sharpshooter; but with the sad state of affairs here, he'd lose his shooting touch as soon as he dons a pair of candy-striped pants.
I imagine he'll be offered tons of $$$ so we might well be serious consideration.
Does anyone really care at this point?
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Maybe a Max Hoetzel or Montana 2.0?
 
IUNorth said:
My strong suspicion is the next coach will come in, and mainly just decide who of the current players they want to "recruit" back to play for them. Those that he does, will keep their current NIL setup, if not improve it. Those he doesn't...well...them and their NIL will be opened up.

My theory is guys like Rice, Carlyle, Tucker...despite stuff that they might have said publicly, chose IU as much or even more than anything, because of the NIL packages. None of those guys fit Woodson's style. None of them had enough time to really get to know Woodson with a longer recruiting process before committing.

Having said all that...his list of schools is an odd mix, for sure. IU, stylistically, is the odd team out on that list. I suspect NIL has us on the list. And if that's in any way true, and if the next coach values the foreign kid, or Rice, or Carlyle, or whoever...I would say they're just as likely to be at IU next year for new coach than they are for Woodson.
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How many of our current players would you honestly want back with the lack of toughness and just general fight they've shown this year?
 
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I’d take rice back, scrap the rest. Love this foreign guy tho. Check will still cash with the next coach.
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It all depends on what Woodson is actually doing right now, what he's trying to teach and coach...and then what the new guy would do.

My assumption, from watching them play, is that Woodson isn't really "teaching" much of anything. If the new guy is more meticulous with that, and has proven to be able to teach and demand better fundamental play...

THEN... Rice and Tucker jump out as for sure guys. I also think Reneau, if utilized differently, maybe even as a Pick and Pop/Pinch post guy...could be really good.

Until and unless Drake starts to fade/fizzle this year... I'm gonna keep bringing up McCollum.

Bennett Stirtz
Myles Rice
Foreign kid (gotta learn his name)
A pick n pop big
A longer defensive/rebounding oriented wing/big

Bryson Tucker as a 6th man

With McCollum's famous attention to detail...the shooting and playmaking the backcourt would have...well it just sounds like a warm blanket compared to what we have today.
 
IUNorth said:
It all depends on what Woodson is actually doing right now, what he's trying to teach and coach...and then what the new guy would do.

My assumption, from watching them play, is that Woodson isn't really "teaching" much of anything. If the new guy is more meticulous with that, and has proven to be able to teach and demand better fundamental play...

THEN... Rice and Tucker jump out as for sure guys. I also think Reneau, if utilized differently, maybe even as a Pick and Pop/Pinch post guy...could be really good.

Until and unless Drake starts to fade/fizzle this year... I'm gonna keep bringing up McCollum.

Bennett Stirtz
Myles Rice
Foreign kid (gotta learn his name)
A pick n pop big
A longer defensive/rebounding oriented wing/big

Bryson Tucker as a 6th man

With McCollum's famous attention to detail...the shooting and playmaking the backcourt would have...well it just sounds like a warm blanket compared to what we have today.
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Reneau can go. I’ve seen enough. Newton? Cupp?
 
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There are multiple guys I'd take back, with a different coach...but who the coach is, and what style they play, would determine exactly who.

I think this level of analysis should be happening by Dolson right now. If this foreign kid chooses IU, and he's an impact level player... Finding a coach that guys like Rice, Tucker, the foreign kid, etc...would likely thrive playing for, should be one of the factors being considered.

Honestly...haven't even thought about what kind of style or program would fit our most talented guys that have eligibility left, like Rice, Tucker, Mgbako, etc... But I hope Dolson is including that in his thought process...or that he will when their is a search.

I used McCollum as an example...because he has another very high level player, Bennett Stirtz, that I would think would follow him to IU. And without knowing exactly how this foreign kid plays...typical skilled, foreign wings, fit McCollum's overall Pick n Pop, force 2 on 1 for kickouts type of style, very well.
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would never factor in trying to find a coach to fit our current players. players are on 1-year contracts, find the best coach and then help him get players to fit his system. if some of those are holdovers great but I sure as hell aint hiring someone to fit with MM.
 
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There are multiple guys I'd take back, with a different coach...but who the coach is, and what style they play, would determine exactly who.

I think this level of analysis should be happening by Dolson right now. If this foreign kid chooses IU, and he's an impact level player... Finding a coach that guys like Rice, Tucker, the foreign kid, etc...would likely thrive playing for, should be one of the factors being considered.

Honestly...haven't even thought about what kind of style or program would fit our most talented guys that have eligibility left, like Rice, Tucker, Mgbako, etc... But I hope Dolson is including that in his thought process...or that he will when their is a search.

I used McCollum as an example...because he has another very high level player, Bennett Stirtz, that I would think would follow him to IU. And without knowing exactly how this foreign kid plays...typical skilled, foreign wings, fit McCollum's overall Pick n Pop, force 2 on 1 for kickouts type of style, very well.
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The current roster should not be a factor in the coaching search.
 
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