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this thread should die quick, as neither party or their puppets will like the message.

everything the CORPORATE media has told us about the current inflation, and current gas prices, is complete and total bunk.

first off, let's check actual reality on how business "prices" in the first place, and what pressures are present or are absent that go into that.

business, especially corporations, charge as much as they can get away with, without sufficient price demand curve loss of market share, and/or loss of volume on discretionary purchases, eventually forcing the issue downward.

with gas, not enough of gas consumption is discretionary for gas providers to see loss of volume as much of a downward force.

and gas is monopoly priced, as is oil, it's base ingredient, so there is no real "competitive" market based competitive force downward pressure, other than maybe at the retail level where we're only talking a few cents per gallon.

political forces that keep gas prices down, were usurped by blaming covid and the war.


in the 70s the price jump in gas was driven by the middle east cutting off our supply.

even at outrageous prices for the time, there were shortages of gas at the pump and long lines.

there are no shortages today. none.

anybody have trouble finding gas for sale, or rationing? NO!

and there isn't even the tiniest drop in the supply of oil.

Russia is still pumping and selling as much or more oil today as before the war, they just are selling it to different buyers.

and for every barrel of Russian oil said other buyers are buying, that's one less barrel they are buying from the middle east or South America or other sources.

just as much oil is on the market today as ever.. just some shifting in who gets what where.

oil is high because the industry, a monopoly cartel to begin with, drove up the price, with the help of the corporate media.

and Biden and the oil owned US senate, are doing nothing to pressure the Saudis or the rest of the cartel, to lower them. (like threatening SA to stop being their protectors, or selling them weapons or parts.)

or threaten US companies with a windfall tax that eats up 100% of their added gains.

or breaking up the oligopoly.

or nationalizing US oil. (which should have been done long ago).

gas in the US today is priced as it is, because they can, and there are no pressures, competitive, economic, or governmental, stopping them.

even with the monopoly manipulated, and media driven and enabled, high price of oil, we've all seen that when oil was last at $118 a barrel, US gas was $3.25 gal.

everything over that is just war and pandemic profiteering.




as for car prices, that's just lack of supply driven, because we offshored chip production to China and elsewhere.

real estate. monopoly priced, and not a discretionary purchase.

on top of that, Wall St and hedge funds are now buying up real estate, and paying cash funded by the Fed, so individuals can't compete on price.

as are small investors, as real estate is more valuable as a rental, or after flipping gentrification.


meat prices? pork, beef, and poultry, are all effective monopolies now.

they are charging what they are because no one is stopping them, or threatening their monopoly/monopsony price control.

air lines? mass consolidation has made them effectively monopoly controlled.

drugs and healthcare, monopolies.


this inflation is zero percent money supply driven, or supply/shortage driven other than cars, and no one has yet even proven the M1 money supply, (the money that circulates in the everyday economy Joe Buyer lives in), is anymore today than pre pandemic.

yes, the govt gave out money because of the pandemic.. but much of what they gave out went to corps, not individuals, (and a lot claimed to go to individuals never got there), and while the propaganda media cites any and all govt money to individuals, it never gives the other half of the story which is all the lost private based income from the pandemic to individuals.

just because Uncle Mark made out better during the pandemic, a good portion of the population didn't, and until you factor in all the lost economy based income from the pandemic, and it's velocity effect, and not just include any govt handouts, you can't really say the M1 money supply is any greater than pre pandemic.

that said, regardless if the M1 money supply is slightly more, (which we know not), in competitive markets rather than a monopolistic ones, it doesn't matter as to pricing and is irrelevant to the debate.

anyone who gets their inflation or economy information from corporate media, or corporate owned think tanks and economists, including corporate owned academics, need consider taking the source of that pure BS propaganda info into consideration, and who's paying for that story.

anyone telling you this inflation isn't monopoly driven, and lack of regulatory and anti trust driven, is just wrong out of ignorance, or just lying their asses off. (as is the case with the corporate media's and corporate owned academics and think tanks propaganda total BS).
 
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and yet if i just posted Biden is an idiot, or Trump is an idiot, i'd have 50 responses by now.

this forum has social conservatives and social liberals, but pretty much only economic far right wing conservatives, who are more than happy to keep everyone fighting all day every day over social issues, which is what their puppet masters want them for. (just as with the Dem and Pub corporate media.

it isn't that people can't handle the truth.

it's that neither party wants the truth out there on anything economic. (not personal, just business).

and the idiocracy and party puppets are totally ok with that.
 
this thread should die quick, as neither party or their puppets will like the message.

everything the CORPORATE media has told us about the current inflation, and current gas prices, is complete and total bunk.

first off, let's check actual reality on how business "prices" in the first place, and what pressures are present or are absent that go into that.

business, especially corporations, charge as much as they can get away with, without sufficient price demand curve loss of market share, and/or loss of volume on discretionary purchases, eventually forcing the issue downward.

with gas, not enough of gas consumption is discretionary for gas providers to see loss of volume as much of a downward force.

and gas is monopoly priced, as is oil, it's base ingredient, so there is no real "competitive" market based competitive force downward pressure, other than maybe at the retail level where we're only talking a few cents per gallon.

political forces that keep gas prices down, were usurped by blaming covid and the war.


in the 70s the price jump in gas was driven by the middle east cutting off our supply.

even at outrageous prices for the time, there were shortages of gas at the pump and long lines.

there are no shortages today. none.

anybody have trouble finding gas for sale, or rationing? NO!

and there isn't even the tiniest drop in the supply of oil.

Russia is still pumping and selling as much or more oil today as before the war, they just are selling it to different buyers.

and for every barrel of Russian oil said other buyers are buying, that's one less barrel they are buying from the middle east or South America or other sources.

just as much oil is on the market today as ever.. just some shifting in who gets what where.

oil is high because the industry, a monopoly cartel to begin with, drove up the price, with the help of the corporate media.

and Biden and the oil owned US senate, are doing nothing to pressure the Saudis or the rest of the cartel, to lower them. (like threatening SA to stop being their protectors, or selling them weapons or parts.)

or threaten US companies with a windfall tax that eats up 100% of their added gains.

or breaking up the oligopoly.

or nationalizing US oil. (which should have been done long ago).

gas in the US today is priced as it is, because they can, and there are no pressures, competitive, economic, or governmental, stopping them.

even with the monopoly manipulated, and media driven and enabled, high price of oil, we've all seen that when oil was last at $118 a barrel, US gas was $3.25 gal.

everything over that is just war and pandemic profiteering.




as for car prices, that's just lack of supply driven, because we offshored chip production to China and elsewhere.

real estate. monopoly priced, and not a discretionary purchase.

on top of that, Wall St and hedge funds are now buying up real estate, and paying cash funded by the Fed, so individuals can't compete on price.

as are small investors, as real estate is more valuable as a rental, or after flipping gentrification.


meat prices? pork, beef, and poultry, are all effective monopolies now.

they are charging what they are because no one is stopping them, or threatening their monopoly/monopsony price control.

air lines? mass consolidation has made them effectively monopoly controlled.

drugs and healthcare, monopolies.


this inflation is zero percent money supply driven, or supply/shortage driven other than cars, and no one has yet even proven the M1 money supply, (the money that circulates in the everyday economy Joe Buyer lives in), is anymore today than pre pandemic.

yes, the govt gave out money because of the pandemic.. but much of what they gave out went to corps, not individuals, (and a lot claimed to go to individuals never got there), and while the propaganda media cites any and all govt money to individuals, it never gives the other half of the story which is all the lost private based income from the pandemic to individuals.

just because Uncle Mark made out better during the pandemic, a good portion of the population didn't, and until you factor in all the lost economy based income from the pandemic, and it's velocity effect, and not just include any govt handouts, you can't really say the M1 money supply is any greater than pre pandemic.

that said, regardless if the M1 money supply is slightly more, (which we know not), in competitive markets rather than a monopolistic ones, it doesn't matter as to pricing and is irrelevant to the debate.

anyone who gets their inflation or economy information from corporate media, or corporate owned think tanks and economists, including corporate owned academics, need consider taking the source of that pure BS propaganda info into consideration, and who's paying for that story.

anyone telling you this inflation isn't monopoly driven, and lack of regulatory and anti trust driven, is just wrong out of ignorance, or just lying their asses off. (as is the case with the corporate media's and corporate owned academics and think tanks propaganda total BS).
Great post.
 
this thread should die quick, as neither party or their puppets will like the message.

everything the CORPORATE media has told us about the current inflation, and current gas prices, is complete and total bunk.

first off, let's check actual reality on how business "prices" in the first place, and what pressures are present or are absent that go into that.

business, especially corporations, charge as much as they can get away with, without sufficient price demand curve loss of market share, and/or loss of volume on discretionary purchases, eventually forcing the issue downward.

with gas, not enough of gas consumption is discretionary for gas providers to see loss of volume as much of a downward force.

and gas is monopoly priced, as is oil, it's base ingredient, so there is no real "competitive" market based competitive force downward pressure, other than maybe at the retail level where we're only talking a few cents per gallon.

political forces that keep gas prices down, were usurped by blaming covid and the war.


in the 70s the price jump in gas was driven by the middle east cutting off our supply.

even at outrageous prices for the time, there were shortages of gas at the pump and long lines.

there are no shortages today. none.

anybody have trouble finding gas for sale, or rationing? NO!

and there isn't even the tiniest drop in the supply of oil.

Russia is still pumping and selling as much or more oil today as before the war, they just are selling it to different buyers.

and for every barrel of Russian oil said other buyers are buying, that's one less barrel they are buying from the middle east or South America or other sources.

just as much oil is on the market today as ever.. just some shifting in who gets what where.

oil is high because the industry, a monopoly cartel to begin with, drove up the price, with the help of the corporate media.

and Biden and the oil owned US senate, are doing nothing to pressure the Saudis or the rest of the cartel, to lower them. (like threatening SA to stop being their protectors, or selling them weapons or parts.)

or threaten US companies with a windfall tax that eats up 100% of their added gains.

or breaking up the oligopoly.

or nationalizing US oil. (which should have been done long ago).

gas in the US today is priced as it is, because they can, and there are no pressures, competitive, economic, or governmental, stopping them.

even with the monopoly manipulated, and media driven and enabled, high price of oil, we've all seen that when oil was last at $118 a barrel, US gas was $3.25 gal.

everything over that is just war and pandemic profiteering.




as for car prices, that's just lack of supply driven, because we offshored chip production to China and elsewhere.

real estate. monopoly priced, and not a discretionary purchase.

on top of that, Wall St and hedge funds are now buying up real estate, and paying cash funded by the Fed, so individuals can't compete on price.

as are small investors, as real estate is more valuable as a rental, or after flipping gentrification.


meat prices? pork, beef, and poultry, are all effective monopolies now.

they are charging what they are because no one is stopping them, or threatening their monopoly/monopsony price control.

air lines? mass consolidation has made them effectively monopoly controlled.

drugs and healthcare, monopolies.


this inflation is zero percent money supply driven, or supply/shortage driven other than cars, and no one has yet even proven the M1 money supply, (the money that circulates in the everyday economy Joe Buyer lives in), is anymore today than pre pandemic.

yes, the govt gave out money because of the pandemic.. but much of what they gave out went to corps, not individuals, (and a lot claimed to go to individuals never got there), and while the propaganda media cites any and all govt money to individuals, it never gives the other half of the story which is all the lost private based income from the pandemic to individuals.

just because Uncle Mark made out better during the pandemic, a good portion of the population didn't, and until you factor in all the lost economy based income from the pandemic, and it's velocity effect, and not just include any govt handouts, you can't really say the M1 money supply is any greater than pre pandemic.

that said, regardless if the M1 money supply is slightly more, (which we know not), in competitive markets rather than a monopolistic ones, it doesn't matter as to pricing and is irrelevant to the debate.

anyone who gets their inflation or economy information from corporate media, or corporate owned think tanks and economists, including corporate owned academics, need consider taking the source of that pure BS propaganda info into consideration, and who's paying for that story.

anyone telling you this inflation isn't monopoly driven, and lack of regulatory and anti trust driven, is just wrong out of ignorance, or just lying their asses off. (as is the case with the corporate media's and corporate owned academics and think tanks propaganda total BS).
You make simplistic arguments without any data to back up what you say. Now that doesn't make you wrong on some of your points, but you attack everything as being a monopoly to say that is the cause of inflation. This topic takes too much data and info to give a very good answer to what the cause of inflation is in this economy. I doubt many have the time or energy to answer your post just as I can't really put in the effort to answer your post in an intelligent way as I put my economic education in my past.
 
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You make simplistic arguments without any data to back up what you say. Now that doesn't make you wrong on some of your points, but you attack everything as being a monopoly to say that is the cause of inflation. This topic takes too much data and info to give a very good answer to what the cause of inflation is in this economy. I doubt many have the time or energy to answer your post just as I can't really put in the effort to answer your post in an intelligent way as I put my economic education in my past.
Let Me start with this. If You are President, High Ranking Officer, or Director of a Corporation, your primary objective is to maximize your profit on sale of product or service. You can;'t make a Profit and Keep Your Shareholders happy if you are paying a Wholesale price of $5.25 per gallon while selling it to the public at $ 5.00 per gallon no matter what the President of the United States thinks.

The other thing people miss is that the marketing position of gas has changed over the past 60 years. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's most service stations made money doing auto repairs and pumped gas as a side service. In addition many were totally independent and could use gas as a loss leader. I remember when the retail price of gas was around 30 Cents per gallon. At times if you had two or three stations on a busy corner, they would begin reducing gas prices a penny at a time and in 24 hours and the retail price reached 25 Cents per gallon.

Now days gas stations are a side light for convenience stores. They offer gas at cost and make the bulk of their money selling overpriced Coffee and Donuts to Commuters who are willing to pay the increased price for filling up the tank and getting their early morning necessities in One Stop.
 
When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's most service stations made money doing auto repairs and pumped gas as a side service. In addition many were totally independent and could use gas as a loss leader.

Now days gas stations are a side light for convenience stores. They offer gas at cost and make the bulk of their money selling overpriced Coffee and Donuts to Commuters who are willing to pay the increased price for filling up the tank and getting their early morning necessities in One Stop.

That's not quite how it worked, at least not in the 70s and 80s. The stations are franchises, and in most cases the oil companies own the property and building and lease it to the dealer. Back in the day, the oil companies liked seeing service bays and car washes because they brought in customers who bought gas. Dealers made enough selling gas to meet their nut and everything else was gravy. Most guys made decent money and were contributing members of the community. They knew their customers by name and vice versa.

That changed in the 90s, when the oil companies decided that going the C-Store route (smokes and Cokes) would bring more traffic and sell more gas. They then started converting over the buildings into the convenience stores we see today. Dealers could take it or leave it. Some did, some went and opened up independent repair shops, and some either retired or sold out.
 
You make simplistic arguments without any data to back up what you say. Now that doesn't make you wrong on some of your points, but you attack everything as being a monopoly to say that is the cause of inflation. This topic takes too much data and info to give a very good answer to what the cause of inflation is in this economy. I doubt many have the time or energy to answer your post just as I can't really put in the effort to answer your post in an intelligent way as I put my economic education in my past.

don't say i'm wrong, but no one has the time to say why.

the market is simplistic. don't over think it.

and companies absolutely do charge as much as they can, absent some external force stopping them.

it's not personal, it's just business.

if that external force isn't market competitors, then a monopoly environment is at play, and the external force needs to be governmental.
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three identical houses are for sale, and there is one buyer.

how much money that buyer has or is approved for doesn't matter as to how your house is priced.

it's how much the other houses are priced at, that drive how much you price yours at.

now if there is only one house for sale, thus is in a monopoly seller situation, that's when the seller can adjust the price according to how much the buyer has or is approved for.

that said, if one entity owns or controls all three houses, say BlackRock or Vanguard, then you are back to a monopoly seller situation, and can price according to how much the buyer can afford.

when you look at the industries driving inflation today, they are industries in monopoly/oligopoly situations, not highly competitive ones.

why industries consolidate as much as allowed.

and why BlackRock and Vanguard controlling multiple otherwise competing industries, creates a monopoly situation not otherwise readily visible on it's face.
 
if the American public would pick one gas company shell bp Exxon and say f2uck you , boycott their ass prices would come down. we had 4 dollar a gallon under bush which in today's dollars is higher than 5 dollar a gallon gas. but then we were told it was good because their profits were helping everyone's 401ks , gas should be nationalized something to important to our economy should not be controlled by corporations, but I will be called a socialist and dipshit pubes will say the media hates America, the pubes keep the ignorant busy worrying about shit that doesn't matter.
 
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If I were persuaded by your beliefs about commodities, corporations and the power of government I would need to renounce 40 years of self-attained beliefs formed by CNBC/Bloomburg and any publication about business that one could get his hands on. You seem to believe deep collusion between political powers and business. I do not. Look over there it's the Trilateral Commision. One might argue that you are a conspiracy theorist.
 
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If I were persuaded by your beliefs about commodities, corporations and the power of government I would need to renounce 40 years of self-attained beliefs formed by CNBC/Bloomburg and any publication about business that one could get his hands on. You seem to believe deep collusion between political powers and business. I do not. Look over there it's the Trilateral Commision. One might argue that you are a conspiracy theorist.
it's not a conspiracy, money controls politics, to get elected you need corporate money, who's bidding are you going to do
 
and yet if i just posted Biden is an idiot, or Trump is an idiot, i'd have 50 responses by now.

this forum has social conservatives and social liberals, but pretty much only economic far right wing conservatives, who are more than happy to keep everyone fighting all day every day over social issues, which is what their puppet masters want them for. (just as with the Dem and Pub corporate media.

it isn't that people can't handle the truth.

it's that neither party wants the truth out there on anything economic. (not personal, just business).

and the idiocracy and party puppets are totally ok with that.
What?
 
don't say i'm wrong, but no one has the time to say why.

the market is simplistic. don't over think it.

and companies absolutely do charge as much as they can, absent some external force stopping them.

it's not personal, it's just business.

if that external force isn't market competitors, then a monopoly environment is at play, and the external force needs to be governmental.
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three identical houses are for sale, and there is one buyer.

how much money that buyer has or is approved for doesn't matter as to how your house is priced.

it's how much the other houses are priced at, that drive how much you price yours at.

now if there is only one house for sale, thus is in a monopoly seller situation, that's when the seller can adjust the price according to how much the buyer has or is approved for.

that said, if one entity owns or controls all three houses, say BlackRock or Vanguard, then you are back to a monopoly seller situation, and can price according to how much the buyer can afford.

when you look at the industries driving inflation today, they are industries in monopoly/oligopoly situations, not highly competitive ones.

why industries consolidate as much as allowed.

and why BlackRock and Vanguard controlling multiple otherwise competing industries, creates a monopoly situation not otherwise readily visible on it's face.
What?
 
if the American public would pick one gas company shell bp Exxon and say f2uck you , boycott their ass prices would come down. we had 4 dollar a gallon under bush which in today's dollars is higher than 5 dollar a gallon gas. but then we were told it was good because their profits were helping everyone's 401ks , gas should be nationalized something to important to our economy should not be controlled by corporations, but I will be called a socialist and dipshit pubes will say the media hates America, the pubes keep the ignorant busy worrying about shit that doesn't matter.
That could beat out igw for dumbest post in the thread. I can’t make the call because I didn’t read his. I did read yours since it wasn’t so long, but your style is headache inducing to read as well.
 
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you're from Jeffersonville right
Is that a question or a sentence fragment? It’s missing a capital letter at the beginning and some sort of punctuation mark at the end which would indicate a statement or question. Also, the lack of a comma after Jeffersonville is confusing. Is there a place called “Jeffersonville right?”
 
We got this thing down here in Duckburg called demand destruction. How do I prove demand destruction? Well, I don't, I just observe that streets that usually have heavy traffic seem to have less. Oh, and one more little issue. We lack refining capacity. Demand doesn't out strip oil, gasoline demand outstrips refining capacity.
 
I read your post I'm 10x smarter drunk and more successful than you are sober, if your sober in reality you shouldn't be, you are a dumbass pawn
You just think you're smarter when you're drunk. That's what alcoholics do.

Please seek help.
 
If I were persuaded by your beliefs about commodities, corporations and the power of government I would need to renounce 40 years of self-attained beliefs formed by CNBC/Bloomburg and any publication about business that one could get his hands on.

when watching CNBC or Bloomburg, perhaps you should consider the source.

and any very real conflicts of interests.

that said, if you dispute anything i said, you are more than free to try and make your case otherwise.

i notice you didn't. thus assume you can't.

if you think you can, make my day.
 
We got this thing down here in Duckburg called demand destruction. How do I prove demand destruction? Well, I don't, I just observe that streets that usually have heavy traffic seem to have less. Oh, and one more little issue. We lack refining capacity. Demand doesn't out strip oil, gasoline demand outstrips refining capacity.

we don't lack refining capacity. how naive are you?

and exactly where is there any gas shortage?

there isn't.
 
And now there's Buc-ees.
My wife and I were driving back from Florida within the last year, and the Buc-ees signs start about 500 miles before you reach it (in Georgia, I think). Our curiosity got the better of us, so we pulled off the interstate. As we went up the ramp, I saw that it was going to be a shit show, because of the number of cars trying to get into the parking lot.
Never again. It was like a combination of DisneyWorld, a newly opened Wal-Mart, a Cracker Barrel at rush, and a super busy Flying J. Way too many people and cars.
 
We got this thing down here in Duckburg called demand destruction. How do I prove demand destruction? Well, I don't, I just observe that streets that usually have heavy traffic seem to have less. Oh, and one more little issue. We lack refining capacity. Demand doesn't out strip oil, gasoline demand outstrips refining capacity.
If I remember this correctly, the most recent refinery built in the United States was the in the early 1970's, That means our newest refinery is based on construction principles and technology that is 50 years old. It is almost impossible to build a new refinery between environmental regulations, and the "NIMBYS" who don't want a refinery near them.
However, if We don't have the refining capacity to meet our demand and needs why are We sending Oil overseas to other countries?
 
If I remember this correctly, the most recent refinery built in the United States was the in the early 1970's, That means our newest refinery is based on construction principles and technology that is 50 years old. It is almost impossible to build a new refinery between environmental regulations, and the "NIMBYS" who don't want a refinery near them.
However, if We don't have the refining capacity to meet our demand and needs why are We sending Oil overseas to other countries?
It's possible that refineries are not running at 100% of capacity. I don't know - just throwing it out there as a possibility.

When the President says he's going to destroy your industry, the natural human reaction is to make as much money as you can now. Limiting refinery output is one way of creating a shortage and increase prices, especially with the price of oil so expensive.

Again, I don't know - just a possibility.
 
don't say i'm wrong, but no one has the time to say why.

the market is simplistic. don't over think it.

and companies absolutely do charge as much as they can, absent some external force stopping them.

it's not personal, it's just business.

if that external force isn't market competitors, then a monopoly environment is at play, and the external force needs to be governmental.
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three identical houses are for sale, and there is one buyer.

how much money that buyer has or is approved for doesn't matter as to how your house is priced.

it's how much the other houses are priced at, that drive how much you price yours at.

now if there is only one house for sale, thus is in a monopoly seller situation, that's when the seller can adjust the price according to how much the buyer has or is approved for.

that said, if one entity owns or controls all three houses, say BlackRock or Vanguard, then you are back to a monopoly seller situation, and can price according to how much the buyer can afford.

when you look at the industries driving inflation today, they are industries in monopoly/oligopoly situations, not highly competitive ones.

why industries consolidate as much as allowed.

and why BlackRock and Vanguard controlling multiple otherwise competing industries, creates a monopoly situation not otherwise readily visible on it's face.
Vesuvius gave you the main reason your argument is over-simplified, most of the monopolies you suggest are self-evident don't actually exist. Prove they're monopolies and you'll have my attention.
 
when watching CNBC or Bloomburg, perhaps you should consider the source.

and any very real conflicts of interests.

that said, if you dispute anything i said, you are more than free to try and make your case otherwise.

i notice you didn't. thus assume you can't.

if you think you can, make my day.
Where do you get your financial news? I am starting to suspect you get yours from propaganda or maybe the union hall.
 
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Where do you get your financial news? I am starting to suspect you get yours from propaganda or maybe the union hall.
There's even a worse possibility - he makes them up in his own mind.

The guy is cuckoo for Coco Puffs - always has been.
 
Where do you get your financial news? I am starting to suspect you get yours from propaganda or maybe the union hall.
He informed me last week there isn’t any examples of currency debasement over the past 2 years. I think he is just trolling.
 
Isn't He the One Who told his Bank his checking account couldn't possibly be overdrawn because He still had a box of unused checks,
Has anyone else noticed that there are far fewer deposit slips included with their checks than there used to be?
 
You got winners? Come on man I asked you for your economic sources when you trashed mine. I didn't smart off I just asked where you get your information that forms your views on economics.
 
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Has anyone else noticed that there are far fewer deposit slips included with their checks than there used to be?
20 checks and 1 deposit slip.

While here in Georgia you get all the hilarious Raphael Warnock commercials, one of which has him pushing for the senate to compel all banks to stop charging for overdrafts. What a deal.
 
Vesuvius gave you the main reason your argument is over-simplified, most of the monopolies you suggest are self-evident don't actually exist. Prove they're monopolies and you'll have my attention.

really dude, how brain dead level ignorant are you?

if you don't grasp the consolidation/monopolization that's gone down in many major industries, then you have slept through the last 40 yrs.

beef, pork, poultry, airlines, telecom, media, tech, etc, etc, etc,

or that once even previous competitors become effectively owned/controlled by the same entity, such as BlackRock and or Vanguard, then no longer are they going to behave as competitors any more than Facebook and Instagram now are.

or that setting a "market" price for oil, isn't by definition setting a non competitive monopoly price on it.

and did no one even notice than when 1, i repeat 1, as in not even so many as 2, baby formula plant shut down, that 1 plant going down decimated the market.

that doesn't happen in a "competitive" market.

today's inflation doesn't happen in competitive markets.
 
You got winners? Come on man I asked you for your economic sources when you trashed mine. I didn't smart off I just asked where you get your information that forms your views on economics.

you're being a total idiot or just a troll, or both.

you get your info from the PR arms of Wall St, and wonder why that isn't reliable??

do you actually not grasp when you're listening to Wall St's PR machine?

idiocracy.

if you dispute what i say, do better than just say someone on CNBC or Bloomburg told you otherwise.

actually lay out an credible argument to support your market assertions, that's what i did.

obviously you can't.

as to where i get mine,

a fundamental understanding and grasp of market principles to begin with, (which you obviously don't have, nor are open to learning them), followed by decades in the big boy corporate world and paying attention the whole time, plus paying attention to everything going on today, and putting all that together.

that said, trying to impart wisdom on those unable or unwilling to grasp it, is a fools errand.

that said, go back to post #9 in this thread.

market forces aren't rocket science, or 10 dimensional chess.

basic logic drives them.

if you wish to debate the basic market forces logic i laid in that post, and think you can credibly dispute it, make my day.

you can't. know you can't.. and thus why you didn't even try, and went the "shoot the messenger" route instead.

i get that all day every day here from both sides.

they can't dispute what i say, thus don't even try.

just go full troll, because they have nothing else.
 
really dude, how brain dead level ignorant are you?

if you don't grasp the consolidation/monopolization that's gone down in many major industries, then you have slept through the last 40 yrs.

beef, pork, poultry, airlines, telecom, media, tech, etc, etc, etc,

or that once even previous competitors become effectively owned/controlled by the same entity, such as BlackRock and or Vanguard, then no longer are they going to behave as competitors any more than Facebook and Instagram now are.

or that setting a "market" price for oil, isn't by definition setting a non competitive monopoly price on it.

and did no one even notice than when 1, i repeat 1, as in not even so many as 2, baby formula plant shut down, that 1 plant going down decimated the market.

that doesn't happen in a "competitive" market.

today's inflation doesn't happen in competitive markets.
do you know the difference between a monopoly and oligopoly?
 
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