Indiana opens as a 10.5 point favorite at FIU*
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I'm sure Butch Davis is playing the no respect card with that...
I don't think a 10.5 spread against a P5 team screams disrespect. I view it as an alert to our team. If we go down there thinking this will be a cakewalk, we'll be looking at 0-1 to start the season.
Good point, and that's another reason this game is important. Allen and staff are doing a tremendous job recruiting the Tampa Bay area, and are starting to make inroads in Miami-Dade. Winning this game would likely help that effort.You gotta wonder whats more of a civil war with our current Florida roster. FIU or purdue?
You mean like the last 2 times we “dominated” them ?
Imagine the requests for tickets from the players for family members to this game. There probably won't be another like it all year.
It is very funny how you play both sides just to try and stir the pot Ord.
So yesterday you were arguing that the board is setting itself up for disappointment by thinking the new S&C program could yield a positive difference. Now you want to argue that we should go on the road and “dominate” a bowl team from last year. Which is it ?
And yes, it does matter now, FIU is a better team with a better coach, than when we last struggled to beat them in the 4th quarter.
That should be the mindset from start to finish. Whether we actually do or not is unimportant as long as we get the win.
He's nothing if not predictable. What he's doing is crafting his narrative for September 2. If IU wins a close game, he'll try to pour cold water on the result and fan enthusiasm. If IU wins by a larger margin, he'll say, "ho-hum, I told you so, they should have dominated this team, it doesn't mean anything." (The third scenario, which I don't even want to ponder - - an IU loss - - would understandably result in criticism from a lot more people than just the poster Larrysargumentislame).
Until we get hit in the mouth and our young players panic. IMO, the last thing we need is for our kids to go into this game over-confident...we've seen that before against Ball State (three times) and Southern Illinois. It's always been crazy to me how we are always either bizarrely over-confident against some teams and have zero belief in crunch time against good teams. That to me, has been this single biggest hurdle to making the leap from five or six wins to eight or nine wins.
I'm not talking confidence in either case. I'm saying dominate the guy in front of you from the first whistle to the last. That will take care of the issues of which you speak.
No, that’s not what I said about the S&C program, only that it’s been pronounced a rousing success by most here before one game has been played. And FIU lost the vast majority of its offensive production from last year, so why would you consider them formidable? The bowl means nothing.
Or maybe I’m not interested in trotting out excuse after excuse for poor performance before the season even starts. Maybe higher expectations that are truly genuine might lead to a better performing program.
“All for an improved S & C program, but I think the gains as they translate to actual field (correcting your spelling) performance are likely to be far more modest” , your words , not mine.
Yes, FIU lost their QB, lead RB (but others who remain played), and best WR. On the flip side they return their entire OL , except for 1, they signed two 4- star DT’s that had multiple offers including Alabama, they have a transfer QB from Bowling Green who threw for over 2,000 yards and 16 TD’s as a frosh, they have a transfer LB from University of Texas and the QB that finished their bowl game has moved to WR and they believe he will be a star. Butch Davis is a good coach, and we will have our hands full, unless we are a lot better than I think we are, we will see.
Do I think we should win this game , yes, do I think we will “dominate”, no.
Ditto on all of the above plus you left out a couple of JUCO's who were highly thought of who are expected to make an impact for them.
I expect Florida International to be more than ready and to be difficult to put down. I hope I'm dead wrong and that we're up by 77 going in at halftime but I certainly don't expect that to be the case... I'm guessing that we'll win by 2 points. We will see...
So, you’re admitting you misstated what I said about the S&C program. Thanks. And I agree, they lost most of their offensive production, as you now understand. It’s why Athlon ranks them so low. Not sure why your expections are so low for IU, but we’ll see soon enough.
As I always suspected Ord, you are obviously incapable of reading and comprehending. I will allow readers to read your juvenile drivel and decide for themselves who is “misstating”, assuming they care . Which I doubt.
Do a little research, (no I'm not going to link anything)...
Power 5 schools routinely get upset against the supposed have nots two or 3 times a year (usually in season openers) All those HC's weren't "bad hires".
Was Lloyd Carr a bad hire for MI? All he did was lose (at the Big House) to Appalachian State...
If you don't like the guy just say it, but this bad hire mantra is nonsense...
Tom Allen is recruiting as well, or better than anyone we've ever had here... Depth of Talent will be the key to getting us where we need to go and he's bringing it here..
He's already proven his ability to get players to "buy in" to his coaching on the defensive side at multiple schools, what makes you think he can't do that on both sides of the ball as Head Coach? Personally, I want to see a 5 year sample before I'd call anyone a "bad hire"...
They'll continue to repeat the same mantra prior to every game for the rest of his tenure.
If we made it to the National Championship game and lost those guys would be on here calling for a "name" coach...
My words said nothing about the S&C program “couldn’t yield a positive difference”, only that it wouldn’t likely produce the earth shattering results that you and others have predicted. Thanks for acknowledging your misstatement again.
Speaking of misstatements, please present ANY evidence that I have ever indicated the S&C program would produce “earth shattering” results, you cannot. Just another in a long series of Ordfan lies to try to twist the truth and cover up your backtracking.
So you’re admitting again you misstated what I said? And you’re denying that you’re not expecting big on field gains from the new S&C program? Does that mean you agree with me that the on field gains are likely to be more modest? And, if so, why have you needlessly started this little pissing match?
So trying to change the subject again after blatantly making stuff up ? Please provide any statement that I made saying our S&C program would produce “earth shattering” results. You said I “predicted” that, please provide a quote or you are further exposed as the complete fraud everyone knows you are Ord.
We'll see about that statement this November...
Speaking of changing the subject, why not just acknowledge you got this started by making something up? Then you could quit following me around and I could talk football. Bit, of my summary of your views on the results of the new S&C program are inaccurate, why aren’t you willing to provide your thoughts on it?
I made nothing up, you are just attempting to deflect the discussion from your lies. As for the S&C program, by all reports it is a significant improvement, will that translate to the W/L column, I have no idea. I have told you in the past Ord, I’m not Nostradamus, therefore predictions aren’t my thing. Every year I’m hopeful, but as a long time IU fan I realize if anything can go wrong, it will. I hope you are correct and we “dominate” FIU, myself , I’ll be happy with a 1 point win on a last second field goal. Done.
The real opening line on this game actually was IU -13 from a couple of months ago. It has since dropped a bit to what you see now at -10.5 in most places. A few sites have the over/under currently at 57.
It's a bit perplexing to read some people are worried about this game, given they are the same ones proclaiming 6-8 wins this season. I'm not as confident in as many wins as that, but I'm also not even concerned about losing this game. I say IU wins and covers the current line. A loss here will most likely mean no bowl this season. This is a game IU can't lose if all the off-season hype has any merit.
It's a bit perplexing to read some people are worried about this game, given they are the same ones proclaiming 6-8 wins this season. I'm not as confident in as many wins as that, but I'm also not even concerned about losing this game. I say IU wins and covers the current line. A loss here will most likely mean no bowl this season. This is a game IU can't lose if all the off-season hype has any merit.
You’ve already been shown where you misstated what I said . . . Your words give you away. And if you’re going to criticize other’s opinions, you might want to have some of your own, Jonesy.
Agreed. This is a game IU should dominate if a bowl season is to be achieved, and I’ll be surprised if they don’t. Even a 1 point win would be great, but how they play will say a lot about the progress of the program, and there’s no reason they shouldn’t perform at a very high level against FIU.
The first game is almost always a dogfight, and the biggest improvement historically takes place between week one and two.
Remember when we almost lost to Nichols State and then kicked the crap out of Kentucky? That was week two and three, but I think that's the nature of early season college football with so many inexperienced players shuffling in.
