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TheOriginalHappyGoat

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...But this is what we signed up for. That offense today was our offense. It was executed correctly, and that was the result.

If we didn't have Yogi and JBJ, we might never win. They are the only players with enough talent to transcend the abortion that is our offensive "system."

Please do not ignore just how godawful Rutgers is. Even a godawful team can have a great performance here and there, but we had something like a 96% chance of winning this game. Never, ever, ever should have been this close.

goat
 
You mad Bruh?

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You nailed it earlier ....... This was ugly.....FUGLY ball. .... And I tan regularly. Just sayin.
 
It's the type of game we lost last year...

It's the type of game every team has against a bad team at least once each season. Rutgers is not a great team by any stretch of the imagination. They hit a ton of crazy 3s. Hit some other tough shots. We missed a bunch of shots early and struggled. It was a win and I'll take it and enjoy it.

We are 16-6, 6-3 and we have the most or are tied for the most RPI top 50 wins in the B1G. We won 17 games last year total. We have a chance to have a nice season, make the NCAAs, and depending on match-ups maybe make a little NCAA noise. I may not care of the offense all that much, but I'll enjoy the wins when we get them.
 
Peak in January ???

When Z passed up on that wide open 3, Last year flashed before my eyes. Do we need to get these guys and take them out for a beer thread review evening to loosen them up and get them back into some form of effort?

Bring on the badgers...... Lord help us. BUT Crean plans well for the upper level of competition.
 
As much as it pains me...

...And I've also said this several times this year - this is Crean's best coaching job of his career. His in-game decision-making has improved dramatically. I certainly think that he has it in him to somehow beat Wiscy.

My complaint is that this does nothing to address the structural problems - the size, the lack of offensive creativity, the carelessness with the ball - that are inherent in his idea of what basketball should be.
 
Well since they 100%won the game, Crean outcoached the odds by 4%. What's your beef?
Oh and what would the odds be that Crean would have the Hoosiers in 2nd place half way through the Big Ten season without 2 of his biggest post players out all or part of the season?

That would require giving him credit for something, so feel free not answering.

This post was edited on 1/31 6:16 PM by The original IUEYEDOC
 
But it's not just once.

We've dramatically underperformed three games in a row now, and we had a few other bad losses before that. Sure, we were 5-1 at one point, but it's not like we were on a tear. We had a couple of things break our way. We didn't get blown out at OSU and PU because things didn't break our way. We didn't almost blow it at home to a team who would finish last in the MAC because things didn't break our way. We've sucked for three straight games.

goat
 
Re: But it's not just once.

We also barely beat Penn state at home. Are people still penciling in the northwestern and Rutgers road games as wins? I would say toss ups.
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Oh goat.

We have won quite a few games this year and we sure haven't won them with defense. We wil struggle with more physical teams but running a different offense isn't going to help with that issue.

And saying we would really struggle without yogi and Blackmon, well, no kidding, but exactly what sort of offense would overcome that problem?
 
Re: I didn't see a lot of difference in.....

.....the personnel of the two teams. Pretty evenly matched.
We were better in spots but both Mack and Jack could start for a lot of B1G teams, ours included. Rutgers did beat Wisconsin, even with the asterisk of two major players out.
Let's be honest here: there are a lot of teams in the conference with comparable talent.
I thought today's game could go either way. We all know that in this league, anybody can win on a given night.
 
And Appalachian State beat Michigan.

Who cares? And we almost blew it tonight. So what? One game doesn't mean squat. I'm getting tired of saying it because I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about a pattern.
 
Re: The talent distance between......

....IU and Rutgers is much closer than you think. They have a kid who is a veteran and has experienced just as much in the Big East as the new confines of the Big Ten.

IU hasn't "underperformed" necessarily in those road blowouts but played very much like many teams in this conference on the road. This is a very Jekyll and Hyde type of syndrome that affects most conference teams.
 
Just look at Northwestern


sent MSU to OT on the road and it took a last second shot to beat Maryland on the road so even the bottom teams are no push overs.

This post was edited on 1/31 9:29 PM by IU Scott

This post was edited on 1/31 9:30 PM by IU Scott
 
Ranked 173 by Kenpom, 163 by Sagarin

losses include .. St Peters and St Francis.

2-8 in conference.

Yea, dude, they're not awful at all. I mean 173, they're almost as good as 172 Columbia and better than 174 Cornell. If only they were in the ivy league they could compete for 5th damn place ...

lol ...



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Re: And, you have got......

.....some "Grade A" naivety going on there, Goat.
I know you don't follow much more than IU or this message board because this is where you spend 99.9% of your life, however there are other teams in this conference that have good players.
Rutgers has some kids with comparable talent. You're out of touch to think we are loaded.
 
It's because I actually watch games.

Carelessness is part of the style. We've cut down on TOs this year, which is great, but what's not great is how many of those turnovers are a direct result of the style of offense our coach has taught these guys to run. Troy couldn't get his guy off on a head fake today, and decided the best option was to bully around him, anyway, directly into two other defenders, one of whom (easily) stripped the ball. He was taught that! That was part of the offense. That's what he's supposed to do.

That's the type of structural problem I'm talking about.

goat
 
Re: Do you get to watch.....

.....much basketball in the UK?
You seem to have a lot to say about each team from thousands of miles away?
 
I don't think we're loaded.

I think Rutgers is just godawful terrible.

And I have numbers to prove it. Kenpom, Sagarin, RPI, raw statistics, margin of victory, everything, EVERYTHING points to Rutgers being a MAC-level team at best.

Here's how bad they are. We beat them today by 8 points, and their computer rankings are going to jump significantly in the morning. We'll drop. Significantly. With a win. And we only got the lead to 8 points because of fouls. We should have won by 14, and we very nearly lost.

Please don't pull the "reading Peegs in your mom's basement" types of insults. It just makes you look silly.
 
so you expected wins at OSU and PU at the beginning of the year?

What was your overall record for us? 25-6?
 
No, at the beginning of the year, I expected we'd lose both.

But if you think that makes a difference, you are what's wrong with our fan base. I'm supposed to accept mediocrity just because I predicted it?
 
Actually, in RealTimeRPI, we rose slightly.

We were at 38 coming into today, and we're at 36 now (a lot of teams we've played won today--and that helped somewhat cancel out the drop that just playing Rutgers gets you [and Rutgers went from 130something to 114 just by playing us]. So perhaps the damage in the other metrics won't be that severe. No guarantees, of course.

And we'll rise after playing Wisky, win (significantly) or lose (somewhat).
 
Ooops. Sloppy on my part.

I mentioned RPI, and then said "computer rankings." I was specifically thinking of non-RPI rankings at that point. RPI is based on win-only, not on MOV like every other computer ranking is. So to the RPI, this looks like a win. To everyone else, it actually looks like a loss.

I should have been clearer. My fault.

goat
 
im not a Crean fan so cut the crap.

You need to take a step back and give credit where it's due.

16-6 (6-3) with a damn good chance to get 11 or 12 conference wins.

Something Knight couldn't do his last 5 years.

Let the rest of the season play out
 
You said they weren't awful ..

and they are. Do you have another false statement or opinion to make?
 
True, but the weighting in the RPI is such that a home win

against a creampuff (in-conference or OOC) doesn't help you that much. Since the NCAA committee seems to use RPI as much if not more than any other measure as a tool, the RPI is still important even though it doesn't factor MOV in.

Long way of saying "point taken." :)
 
But I'm not criticizing the record.

First of all, his 5th to last year, RMK did win 12, but whatever.

I'm not complaining about the record.

I'm complaining about playing like crap. Win or lose, we've been playing like crap, and that's not going to bode well as the season goes on.

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