Hypocritical to support Beard now but never Alford?
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Interesting take. I don't want Alford as he is 100+ wins at 4 schools but has only been as far as the Sweet 16 and was forced out at UCLA mid-season for subpar performance. Is he Matt Painter-esque (strong Xs & Os, post season eludes him...mostly), I don't know, but Alford has been solid but not much more than that.
Alford is middling as a coach, forget about Pierre Pierce…
His lack of success disqualifies him.
I think how he handled PP issues probably did disqualify him from consideration. Until recently, his resume was worth IU's consideration. And we've hired what, 4 coaches since the PP incident. You'd think, at some point, he would have been a serious contender.
Beard's actions were worse imo. We don't need a saint as our HC, but we can't hire a man who hit a woman or a guy that tried to make a sexual assault go away. We might have been down for the last 30 years, but we will never sink that low (hopefully).
At the time we disqualified him for PP, Alford had a more successful track record in coaching. Alford’s mistake was giving PP the benefit of the doubt before it was confirmed in a court of law. That Alford was never even granted the slightest sniff of a courtesy interview is the real travesty here, telling us the mindset of the IU administration still shackling us to this day. Hence, I don’t expect this next hire to result in anything significantly better than what we’ve seen these last 25 years. To think otherwise is to dream the dreams found in Fantasyland.
Alford is not a good enough coach. And he not only supposedly believed him, he also tried to convince the victim to be quiet about it.
This is what disqualifies him from consideration in my book.
The victim might have a different opinion on that.
Yup. That shit is unforgivable.
Only in hindsight’s 2025 vision is Alford not good enough.
Innocent until proven guilty, Social Justice 101. Alford supposedly believed him and supposedly tried to convince him to keep quiet about what PP supposedly did. How is the hangman’s noose tied before you need it? Loosely.
Raped in a busy NYC department store’s dressing room with nothing but the purrs of pleasure to draw attention. Got it!
We wouldn't even be talking about Alford as a coach if not for his IU connection. Beard on the other hand has won at a much higher clip and would be considered for many top coaching jobs.
In 2002 Pierce, a star guard under Steve Alford at Iowa, was charged with sexual assault when a woman accused him of forcing himself on her (and holding her mouth, stopping her from screaming) at a party in Iowa City. Alford publicly defended Pierce at the time, but he went further -- allowing Athletes in Action campus representative (and unofficial team chaplain) Jim Goodrich to arrange an informal "prayer meeting" with Pierce and the victim. As the university report later stated, "The female student's reaction to this contact was concern that the University was improperly involving itself in trying to resolve the matter," a contact that "confirmed her fears that the University would act to protect its athlete," at which point "her response was to pursue criminal charges." The meeting itself seemed seedy enough, but the religious invocation put it over the top -- and when Pierce was charged again in 2005, this time for allegedly choking, forcibly stripping and threatening his ex-girlfriend with a knife, it marked the beginning of the end of Alford's tenure.
A decade later, when Alford was introduced as the new head coach at UCLA, his role in the Pierce sleaze-fest was among the first questions he faced. When he answered it as poorly as possible -- he blamed the Iowa administration and lawyers for his marching orders, and said he "did everything that I was supposed to do at the University of Iowa in that situation ... I followed everything that I was told to do" -- an already unimpressed L.A. media noticed UCLA basketball just long enough to register its immense disapproval.
A decade later, when Alford was introduced as the new head coach at UCLA, his role in the Pierce sleaze-fest was among the first questions he faced. When he answered it as poorly as possible -- he blamed the Iowa administration and lawyers for his marching orders, and said he "did everything that I was supposed to do at the University of Iowa in that situation ... I followed everything that I was told to do" -- an already unimpressed L.A. media noticed UCLA basketball just long enough to register its immense disapproval.
You must have been asleep during the last presidential campaign. At least you’re well rested now, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.
What are you talking about? I thought we were discussing Alford, and how you thought he was the real victim.
Hey, @Cavanagh, I thought political bullcrap was off limits here.
https://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/3/18/14966490/steve-alfords-pierre-pierce-iowa-sexual-assault
Shear passage of time shouldn't resolve him. Alford is a mediocre coach, and a POS. Arrogant SOB.
Shear passage of time shouldn't resolve him. Alford is a mediocre coach, and a POS. Arrogant SOB.
You don’t think it was the Iowa AD or higher up school officials who arranged the AA prayer meeting? Just because Alford didn’t disapprove of the meeting doesn’t mean he approved of it or instigated it as his detractors like to think. Truth of the matter is, have you forgotten Sam and Steve Alford, the whole bible-thumping family, were as squeaky clean as they come? His only crime was hoping PP was innocent, until proven guilty. He was wrong and his “crime” was used as an excuse to make him the scapegoat for the administration’s own transgressions, plus a convenient, easy out of his contract from a legal standpoint.
I'm personal friends with coach Neal who's gonna be packge wherever Alford goes.
And I'm not in love with that hiring thought..
I'd take Oats in a heartbeat ..
And I'm not in love with that hiring thought..
I'd take Oats in a heartbeat ..
Are you that dumb? Steve was far from squeaky clean. Smfh. Classic golden boy bullsh!t. It’s takes like this that lets guys like Alford get pass.
The Iowa report found that Athletes in Action was run by a good friend of Alford and that it was Alford who initiated the meeting.
At his introductory press conference at UCLA, Alford replied to a question regarding the Pierre Pierce case, in which the former player was arrested and charged with sexual assault in 2002. Alford repeatedly defended Pierce and criticized the victim publicly.
“Well, that was an instance that happened years ago at the University of Iowa … I did everything I was supposed to do at the University of Iowa in that situation,” Alford said Tuesday afternoon.
This is in contrast to a report that the UI released in April of 2003.
On the administration’s behalf, UI spokesman Tom Moore countered Alford’s comments late Tuesday night.
“In 2002, then interim UI President William ‘Sandy’ Boyd charged an ad hoc committee with the responsibility to investigate the university’s role in the resolution of the criminal case involving former UI student-athlete Pierre Pierce,” Moore told KRUI. “We stand by the results of the report as issued in April 2003. No additional comments will be made at this time.”
At the time of the incident, Alford bullied the victim via the on-campus Athletes in Action program while pronouncing the innocence and character of Pierce. These assertions — along with allowing Pierce to remain on scholarship — prompted people to rally outside Carver-Hawkeye Arena during the early part of the 2002-03 season.
“Well, that was an instance that happened years ago at the University of Iowa … I did everything I was supposed to do at the University of Iowa in that situation,” Alford said Tuesday afternoon.
This is in contrast to a report that the UI released in April of 2003.
On the administration’s behalf, UI spokesman Tom Moore countered Alford’s comments late Tuesday night.
“In 2002, then interim UI President William ‘Sandy’ Boyd charged an ad hoc committee with the responsibility to investigate the university’s role in the resolution of the criminal case involving former UI student-athlete Pierre Pierce,” Moore told KRUI. “We stand by the results of the report as issued in April 2003. No additional comments will be made at this time.”
At the time of the incident, Alford bullied the victim via the on-campus Athletes in Action program while pronouncing the innocence and character of Pierce. These assertions — along with allowing Pierce to remain on scholarship — prompted people to rally outside Carver-Hawkeye Arena during the early part of the 2002-03 season.
Really! You are actually comparing
No because that bitch couldn’t remember where it happened and said it might have been a dressing room. Only in sorry ass New York can you get found guilty of sexual misconduct when the victim can’t remember where it happened. I know where it happened in her own ****ing delusional mind.
Beard is the right guy. He was arrested in Texas for DV. The administration jumped the gun before it was adjudicated. Ole Miss dug into it thoroughly and he passed the background check. No one on this board was there and only a few have dug into it enough to see it for what it really was.
On the other hand, I hope coaches don't hold our current lawsuit against us. Tim Garl standing lookout while Dr Bamba assaults our players. Sounds like the pawn shop basement scene in Pulp Fiction.
I don't believe that to be true but hey, you never know.
On the other hand, I hope coaches don't hold our current lawsuit against us. Tim Garl standing lookout while Dr Bamba assaults our players. Sounds like the pawn shop basement scene in Pulp Fiction.
I don't believe that to be true but hey, you never know.
Really! So trying to convince a rape victim to not press charges so you can win basketball games is worse than supposedly hitting a woman who attacks you and breaks your glasses. Got it.
I guarantee you that if we hired Alford we’d be right back here in 4 years. Archie, Woody, and Steve would all get the same amount out of their teams and we’d be caught in a perpetual loop of mediocrity. If you think there’s very little life to the program now this would kill it, for sure.
Several coaching cycles and Alford hasn't even got a sniff. It has nothing to do with hindsight. He's not the guy ... and he never was.
Alford is now older than knight was when he left, and hasn't won anything big anywhere. Plus the pierre stuff. He may have been the right pick at one point when all the high school choices knew him but it's been almost 40 years since he played here. Maybe they should have tried him instead of woodson but not now after woodson
No! Dumbass I’m stating the facts that she said she couldn’t remember where it happened and maybe it was a dressing room. You ignorant fxxx.
Talk about a kick in the sack. Your statement about Alford being older now than what RMK was when he left here caught me off guard. Time is creeping away because I'm older than Alford.
Except for Abraxis , who appears to be obsessed and bring it up every time he can.
I can’t tell you how many threads there are that explain what has happened there. For one thing, don’t you think there is a reason that Beard didn’t fight the firing at Texas and didn’t pursue the 5 million owed him? And no, the administration did NOT jump the gun. All they needed to do was read the police report.
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