Hunter is far far away from any decision about playing next season
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Awesome. Just more great news to ponder as a fan of this once proud program. The joy just never ends.
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10 healthy guys on Scholarship. A lot of that is due to guys this spring not wanting to play here.
I will remain cautiously optimistic and readjust my expectations based on future developments.
It not that its a blunt force injury with tendons or bone.
It's all about blood clotting.Which means he could be ready and play ..And look great
Then at Christmas..Not get to play again the rest of the season .
It's all about blood clotting.Which means he could be ready and play ..And look great
Then at Christmas..Not get to play again the rest of the season .
For those who like optimism mixed in with their pessimism... Miller followed that by saying IU is “excited to get (Hunter) back on the floor,” and that Hunter “is doing a lot more individual work, doing a lot more weight training and conditioning.”
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“He’s far, far away from having any indication or final decision on where he goes from here,” Miller said. “We’re probably looking toward July and August to see what he’s capable of doing as we continue to progress with what the doctors and training staff have done with his plan. But we’re excited to get him back on the floor. He’s doing a lot more individual work and weight training and conditioning, so it’s good to have him back being active.”
“He’s far, far away from having any indication or final decision on where he goes from here,” Miller said. “We’re probably looking toward July and August to see what he’s capable of doing as we continue to progress with what the doctors and training staff have done with his plan. But we’re excited to get him back on the floor. He’s doing a lot more individual work and weight training and conditioning, so it’s good to have him back being active.”
I think we've reached the point where anything he's ever able to offer is a bonus.
I believe he said they had increased his activity but he was not ready for full activity.
He indicated the doctors and trainers are watching his activity. I am glad they are taking it slow and not putting any expectations or pressure on him. Archie is holding back telling the whole story. They would have shut him down if he was at risk of harming himself or having a setback.
An orthopedic surgeon friend of mine speculated on one possible condition. If he was right, it could be a one time occurrence or a chronic condition that could be manageable. Since it happened as he was in a peak level of activity, I am sure they will be careful this year. His practice time might need to be scaled back.
Archle isn't going to fill those spots unless it is a person that can help. He said it again recently that your 12th and 13th players aren't usually very happy about playing time. He hinted of internal issues and chemistry issues that develop from that.
Priller was the perfect 12th person. He didn't complain about sitting on the bench for 4 years.The last two players are going to either be like Priller or be like Forrester and Moore and leave. Archie has 11 players he wants to stay.
You're allowed to recruit better players than Priller. Archie is an idiot if his plan was to recruit no wing players this year. Assuming he is not an idiot (which is what I think), he screwed up. I'm not sure why it's that difficult to admit for some fans.
This from the IndyStar on Feb 11, 2019:
"Jerome's doing well. Jerome is still responding, I think, pretty good right now from his recovery of his two procedures on his lower leg," Miller said Monday night on his weekly radio show. "Right now, he's working through conditioning to see how his body reacts. At times, he's had some more setbacks. And at time, he hasn't had any setbacks. It's just a wait-and-see approach with him. We're taking it slow. It's unfortunate for a young guy that loves the game so much (that) he's been set back."
I didn’t realize he had surgery. It’s been almost four months, and Archie still does not sound optimistic about his rehab. I doubt he will be a full participant next season.
"Jerome's doing well. Jerome is still responding, I think, pretty good right now from his recovery of his two procedures on his lower leg," Miller said Monday night on his weekly radio show. "Right now, he's working through conditioning to see how his body reacts. At times, he's had some more setbacks. And at time, he hasn't had any setbacks. It's just a wait-and-see approach with him. We're taking it slow. It's unfortunate for a young guy that loves the game so much (that) he's been set back."
I didn’t realize he had surgery. It’s been almost four months, and Archie still does not sound optimistic about his rehab. I doubt he will be a full participant next season.
Hope the best for Hunter. He has a unique skill set this team could really use this season.
Not sure what else Archie can say right now. He does not want to raise unrealistic expectations, but he can't make is sound like there is no hope. All his comments must be measured. Still, it is hard to imagine he does not have an idea of what to reasonably expect assuming he gets updates from the doctors.
Unless we hear something more concrete this summer suggesting he is getting close, it's looking like we need to downgrade expectations. Sadly it's feeling like a potential Mo Creek situation where IU does the treatment/rehab work but may not receive much, if any, benefit of a healthy player on the court.
Not sure what else Archie can say right now. He does not want to raise unrealistic expectations, but he can't make is sound like there is no hope. All his comments must be measured. Still, it is hard to imagine he does not have an idea of what to reasonably expect assuming he gets updates from the doctors.
Unless we hear something more concrete this summer suggesting he is getting close, it's looking like we need to downgrade expectations. Sadly it's feeling like a potential Mo Creek situation where IU does the treatment/rehab work but may not receive much, if any, benefit of a healthy player on the court.
How does news of a player's condition translate to "once proud program?" There's plenty to be proud of if you're an IU basketball fan.
The guys trying out for the NBA are returning. I would think that if it was just because they didn't want to play at IU they would transfer.
I think the point is to hold the open scholarships for players that want to be there and have the ability to work their way into the rotation. Gelon, Priller, April, Jurkin, Muniru, Jobe, etc. were wasted scholarships that decreased the level of competition on the team.
He made the comments with the assumption we have 10-11 really good players and no glaring needs on the team. That's not next years team. We are projected to be a 20 win team at best. We literally do not have one fully healthy wing player on the roster. We have several obvious needs and Archie didn't address them.
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I think he is right. If we get Jerome Hunter back, we are two deep in every position.
Green / Phinisee
Durham / Hunter
Smith / Anderson
TJD / Thompson
Davis / Brunk
What are your objections?
He's right? My objection is that's a 20 win team at best (it might be a NIT team again) and he chooses to sit on 2 scholarships. The goal isn't to make the tourney.
Some objections:
*Anderson and Thompson are role players and most likely won't contribute much.
*We have no idea if Hunter will even play, let alone be effective.
*Phin shot 36% from the field last year and disappeared from too many games.
*Green is streaky and turns over the ball too much.
*I like Durham, but he isn't a star and will most likely be forced to play out of position some
*I like our rotation of bigs, but none of them are known scorers and they lack outside shooting.
*We most likely don't have one player who is going to be an all conference player (when is the last time a B10 team finished in the top 4 without one?)
*We lack shooting
We have the roster make up of a team that is going to struggle to make the tourney.
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You made a lot of points there, and some I agree with. In general, I don’t think you are accounting for players stepping up as they get older and with opportunities available to take on a bigger role. I also don’t think you are seeing how important it was to add two big ten ready big men to our rotation. That allows Smith to start at the three, and Durham to play the two. In other words, we added a starting two guard to our roster by shoring up our front court.
Along with injuries the step up in ability from one season to the next can be huge. Who will step up?
All of a sudden Smith can shoot?
Race becomes a second team all big ten?
Freshman surprise?
Brink adds more than Fitzgerald was able?
My best guess is Phin wins the most improved award.
I actually thought I was being generous with player improvements by saying they could be a 20 win team. We disagree with Smith. I think we are in trouble if he plays a lot of minutes at the 3 position.
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I have to go with snarling cakes on this one. If CAM didn't know with reasonable certainty that Hunter is going to be back (apparently not), I find it surprisingly reckless for CAM not to have gone hard after one or more of the 15 or so wing players that were available on the grad market that could have been contributors to this team. A majority of the BT teams were in that market this year......I know we got Brunk but he is not enough for our situation, imo
Also, I don't agree with cake's concerns about Phinisee and Thompson, but he left off a couple of other huge concerns: Davis' ongoing injury issues; Smith's on-going attitude issues.
When you look at our roster for next year, there are only 6 players that are relatively 'risk-free'---Phinisee; Durham; TJD; Thompson; Brunk; Franklin. And I'm being an optimistic here, given Thompson's injury issues, and Franklin being a true freshman.
That leaves 5 with serious ?s--Anderson (talent/awareness); Green & Smith (attitude); Davis & Hunter (health/injuries). No one knows what we are get out of any of these 5 players.
So CAM is worried how this group of mediocre players (overall), some with questionable attitudes, others will other issues, will react to the addition of another wing who could immediately contribute? While 40 other teams with better rosters have no hesitation? Yikes.
Haven't you heard? Players are not allowed to improve on any aspect of their games from year to year. Players never get better, never become more comfortable in a system, never understand offensive and defensive schemes any deeper, never get stronger or faster or smarter, never get more in synch with the coach, never improve their skills. They all stay the same.
What positions do Watford and Brooks play? Answer, they are both wings. Archie addressed the needs but was unable to get the guys he was recruiting.
We were a 17 win team this year (regular season). I said we could be a 20 win team next year (regular season). I also took into consideration we are losing our 2 best players from the team. What's your projections? Is 20 wins too low?
The objective is to get them on your team. He didn't do that, so he didn't address the needs. You don't get a trophy for trying.
did you know muniru is his first name? muniru bawa. only an idiot like crean could eff that up
unfortunately watford wanted to be paid for his services. glad miller and indiana aren't going that route
Smith is going to have to improve his shooting and accept his role or sit. It is difficult to play 4 against 5 offensively.
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