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How does a MAGA define winning?

"How does a MAGA define winning?"

I dunno how a MAGA defines it, but a world where the term "President Biden" was put to rest and the terms "President Hillary Clinton" and "President Kamala Harris" never made it into the lexicon is a good start. A 6-3 conservative bent for SCOTUS and a locked down border doesn't hurt either.

Trump could flop, flail, bombast and fail his way through the next 45 months and I would still say it was better than the alternatives presented by the left.
So long story short: Party before country. Owning the libs is more important than doing a good job governing.
 
"How does a MAGA define winning?"

I dunno how a MAGA defines it, but a world where the term "President Biden" was put to rest and the terms "President Hillary Clinton" and "President Kamala Harris" never made it into the lexicon is a good start. A 6-3 conservative bent for SCOTUS and a locked down border doesn't hurt either.

Trump could flop, flail, bombast and fail his way through the next 45 months and I would still say it was better than the alternatives presented by the left.
I think if he torpedoes the economy and single handily throws the country into a recession, all the other stuff won’t matter.
 
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3. All of this just glosses right over the fact that this economic crisis is being caused by one person and his completely misguided economic policy. He’s causing a lot financial pain and suffering for no real reason.
This is incorrect. There currently isn't any economic crisis and if we do have one in the future it will be because of our overwhelming debt, which has been caused by Congress and Presidents of both parties the past 25 years. To be fair to the politicians, it's what the U.S. citizens voted for.
 
I call BS. SP500 down 18% in 2022 and AGG down 13% (worst ever). Naadaq down over 30%. IIRC, 11 of 12 months were negative on the SP500.

So, unless you moved to cash or shorted, you're portfolio was not "killing it". BTW - inflation peaked in June 2022 at 9.1%
Metals.

Gold touched $3,351 t. yesterday
.6853 % growth since Q2, 2023.

Silver has been quite volatile, reaching $35.10t. on March 27, dipping to $29.94
on April 7th, now back to $32.37....
.26 % growth since Q2, 2023.
 
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This is incorrect. There currently isn't any economic crisis and if we do have one in the future it will be because of our overwhelming debt, which has been caused by Congress and Presidents of both parties the past 25 years. To be fair to the politicians, it's what the U.S. citizens voted for.
Did you read the Indiana forecast I linked?
 
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It’s flippant and unserious.

1. If you are at retirement age now, this sucks. It also sucks if you have a 529 and your kid is in college. Just waiting for a rebound is not an option.

2. One thread if full of MAGA types saying no one is worried about the market because most people don’t have investments. Now here you are saying people should come off their piles of cash and buy stock. Which is it and who has all this cash at the ready?

3. All of this just glosses right over the fact that this economic crisis is being caused by one person and his completely misguided economic policy. He’s causing a lot financial pain and suffering for no real reason.
You don't have to tell me - I'm retired and am using my IRA. So I know exactly the effect.

Evidently you didn't notice I said if I was his age, which, I assume, has some years before retirement.

Hey, if you want to sell at the bottom, go right ahead. But I know few people - as in none - who depend on their investments for day-to-day living. Everyone I know invests for retirement and those who aren't retired yet can make a shit ton of money by investing with the market is down.
 
I call BS. SP500 down 18% in 2022 and AGG down 13% (worst ever). Naadaq down over 30%. IIRC, 11 of 12 months were negative on the SP500.

So, unless you moved to cash or shorted, you're portfolio was not "killing it". BTW - inflation peaked in June 2022 at 9.1%
And, Trump's tariff announcements impacted ordinary Americans by screwing the markets right in the middle of tax season. The market began falling ~Feb. 20 and had another big drop beginning April 2.

April 15 was the deadline for both estimated tax payments and the filing of returns. Millions typically sell off a few investments to make required payments. Any of them who had to sell in that time period likely had to sell at a far lower price than inauguration day.

Then, Trump's 90-day retreat from his announced tariff policies means that the market will remain in chaos through mid-July, with little chance to return to the inauguration day Biden levels until August or later.

Apparently, Wall Street and Main Street intersect. 62% of Americans own stock.


More than half of American households own mutual funds.


At some point, Trump's chaos will also affect retirees who have to sell from their IRAs at lower prices to make their required RMD's this year based on the values of their IRAs as of 12-31-24 (i.e. close to the inauguration day level). May be advisable to wait as long as possible to make those RMDs in hopes that the market will go back up, so those sales/RMDs likely will be compressed into the last 4-5 months of 2025 rather than be spread throughout the year. Trump's erraticism makes it impossible to plan ahead.
 
You don't have to tell me - I'm retired and am using my IRA. So I know exactly the effect.

Evidently you didn't notice I said if I was his age, which, I assume, has some years before retirement.

Hey, if you want to sell at the bottom, go right ahead. But I know few people - as in none - who depend on their investments for day-to-day living. Everyone I know invests for retirement and those who aren't retired yet can make a shit ton of money by investing with the market is down.
Sure. You can shit your pants and say hey I get to buy some new pants. But you didn’t really address the shitting your pants part of it all.
 
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Braun lies? No way
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So long story short: Party before country. Owning the libs is more important than doing a good job governing.

The libs do need to be neutralized. The welfare state they constructed and are defending to utter grim death is in the early stages of collapsing on top of all of us. And it's a genuine problem. The data is there for everybody to see and it is harrowing. And that's on top of the profound social ills that that worldview has wrought.

We have a front row seat to what places look like when there is no political opposition to the libs. And streets lined with zombies, tents, and garbage ain't exactly a travel brochure. It's more reminiscent of the end of the Running Man, when the show's glorious promised prizes are exposed as a cover for the death and mayhem that awaits the contestants.

But Donald Trump is the fire to their frying pan. So it sucks that a man with such awful instincts and ideas is the one guy, it would appear, to have the gumption to cross swords with them.

Helluva mess. And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better...if it ever does.

With that depressing thought...have a nice day!
 
It’s flippant and unserious.

1. If you are at retirement age now, this sucks. It also sucks if you have a 529 and your kid is in college. Just waiting for a rebound is not an option.

2. One thread if full of MAGA types saying no one is worried about the market because most people don’t have investments. Now here you are saying people should come off their piles of cash and buy stock. Which is it and who has all this cash at the ready?

3. All of this just glosses right over the fact that this economic crisis is being caused by one person and his completely misguided economic policy. He’s causing a lot financial pain and suffering for no real reason.
You mean, Trump really has a policy?
 
The libs do need to be neutralized. The welfare state they constructed and are defending to utter grim death is in the early stages of collapsing on top of all of us. And it's a genuine problem. The data is there for everybody to see and it is harrowing. And that's on top of the profound social ills that that worldview has wrought.

We have a front row seat to what places look like when there is no political opposition to the libs. And streets lined with zombies, tents, and garbage ain't exactly a travel brochure. It's more reminiscent of the end of the Running Man, when the show's glorious promised prizes are exposed as a cover for the death and mayhem that awaits the contestants.

But Donald Trump is the fire to their frying pan. So it sucks that a man with such awful instincts and ideas is the one guy, it would appear, to have the gumption to cross swords with them.

Helluva mess. And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better...if it ever does.

With that depressing thought...have a nice day!
Spot on per usual
 
You mean, Trump really has a policy?
As opposed to the one that gave us a 41 year spike in prices that we’re stuck with? That policy? Did you forget that policy? The predicate for why we can’t try tariffs. The legacy of the dumbest president in history?
 
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The libs do need to be neutralized. The welfare state they constructed and are defending to utter grim death is in the early stages of collapsing on top of all of us. And it's a genuine problem. The data is there for everybody to see and it is harrowing. And that's on top of the profound social ills that that worldview has wrought.

We have a front row seat to what places look like when there is no political opposition to the libs. And streets lined with zombies, tents, and garbage ain't exactly a travel brochure. It's more reminiscent of the end of the Running Man, when the show's glorious promised prizes are exposed as a cover for the death and mayhem that awaits the contestants.

But Donald Trump is the fire to their frying pan. So it sucks that a man with such awful instincts and ideas is the one guy, it would appear, to have the gumption to cross swords with them.

Helluva mess. And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better...if it ever does.

With that depressing thought...have a nice day!
Running Man was a better book. One of the Bachman's from King I believe.
 
Metals.

Gold touched $3,351 t. yesterday
.6853 % growth since Q2, 2023.

Silver has been quite volatile, reaching $35.10t. on March 27, dipping to $29.94
on April 7th, now back to $32.37....
.26 % growth since Q2, 2023.
That's a classic "flight to safety," in response to Trump's pronouncements, right?
 
The libs do need to be neutralized. The welfare state they constructed and are defending to utter grim death is in the early stages of collapsing on top of all of us. And it's a genuine problem. The data is there for everybody to see and it is harrowing. And that's on top of the profound social ills that that worldview has wrought.

We have a front row seat to what places look like when there is no political opposition to the libs. And streets lined with zombies, tents, and garbage ain't exactly a travel brochure. It's more reminiscent of the end of the Running Man, when the show's glorious promised prizes are exposed as a cover for the death and mayhem that awaits the contestants.

But Donald Trump is the fire to their frying pan. So it sucks that a man with such awful instincts and ideas is the one guy, it would appear, to have the gumption to cross swords with them.

Helluva mess. And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better...if it ever does.

With that depressing thought...have a nice day!
Seems like Republicans are generally in charge of the ship when it crashes (Bush and the recession and now Trump and his one man wrecking crew).

But yea sure, need to save it from the libs.
 
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Seems like Republicans are generally in charge of the ship when it crashes (Bush and the recession and now Trump and his one man wrecking crew).

But yea sure, need to save it from the libs.
41 year spike in inflation. Gas. Houses. Groceries. Libs. Free cheese
 
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Metals.

Gold touched $3,351 t. yesterday
.6853 % growth since Q2, 2023.

Silver has been quite volatile, reaching $35.10t. on March 27, dipping to $29.94
on April 7th, now back to $32.37....
.26 % growth since Q2, 2023.
Wherein the Water Cooler’s resident mathematician/economist touts gains of .6853% and .26%!!!

Moneybags!
 
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So long story short: Party before country. Owning the libs is more important than doing a good job governing.
Seems like Republicans are generally in charge of the ship when it crashes (Bush and the recession and now Trump and his one man wrecking crew).

But yea sure, need to save it from the libs.

Whether posting as @IUHickory or @HurryinHoosiers, you never fail to fail post. Your penchant for it is only outweighed by your infantile grasp of whatever the subject matter happens to be.
 
How do you explain inflation around the world at the same time? Also, I know by now you hatred free cheese for individuals. Where does Cirpo6free cheese fit?

I contend Biden handed Trump an economy that was the envy of most the world.
It added an extra 3 points unnecessarily bc of free cheese

 
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How do you explain inflation around the world at the same time? Also, I know by now you hatred free cheese for individuals. Where does Cirpo6free cheese fit?

I contend Biden handed Trump an economy that was the envy of most the world.

Bidenomics free cheese. AOC ran that presidency. Legacy we’re stuck with today. Prices. Not the economy. And again people are “in” the market but 401ks etc but it’s the level that matters. Something like the bottom 50 percent of Americans are 1 percent of the market
 
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Did you read the Indiana forecast I linked?
I thought you were referring to the U.S. when you mentioned Trump causing a crisis. In the Indiana report it said one of the changes in the forecast is because the 2024 revised data that came out in March, was weaker than expected. That's from Biden's tenure.

Also, he forecast slowing growth and not a crisis. I disagree with his forecast on inflation and agree that Trump's tax increases from tariffs will slow growth some.
 
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Seems like Republicans are generally in charge of the ship when it crashes (Bush and the recession and now Trump and his one man wrecking crew).

But yea sure, need to save it from the libs.
What’s crashing our ship is the increased cost of government, primarily emanating from entitlement cost growth, beyond the ability of our economy to afford.

I’m sorry, but it’s not conservatives who have constructed and defended a welfare state that is decimating our national finances. And, worse, the stated intent of the vanguards of the welfare state is to grow it even more…which is insane, considering the math.

Citing who happens to be in office as the direct or indirect consequences of this manifest is missing the forest for the trees. This is something that has been building for decades.

What fault I’ll gladly lay at the feet of Republicans is their failure to even make a good faith effort to address and correct the problem.
 
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I’m sorry, but it’s not conservatives liberals who have constructed and defended a welfare military state that is decimating our national finances. And, worse, their stated intent is to grow it even more…which is insane, considering the math.
We all have our favorites.

What fault I’ll gladly lay at the feet of Republicans is their failure to even make a good faith effort to address and correct the problem.
Which could include drastic and massive military spending cuts. However, what happen to all those people in that value chain?

Decisions indeed.

Also, I mostly agree with your but these entitlement programs like SS and Medicare/caid are now engrained in how we organize our society and economy. I am open to changing how we fund those programs, etc. but eliminating them, I would hope, is a non starter (it is politically which means it won't happen).
 
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