That's an interesting take. The guys who were paying players back in the day already learned how to deal with the inflated egos of these kids and get them to play hard while they were cashing the checks. Not new ground for them, NIL just makes it legal.
Hire Beard
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He's another example of why I'm not "worried" about getting a good coach in this search. IndyResident, I assume, isn't part of a college athletic department, or some sort of sports agent that would have access to names, contacts, etc... for basically ALL college coaches, at ALL levels...just like I don't. I had completely forgotten he existed...but he'd almost certainly win at IU. There are a lot of guys out there like him, I'm sure, that none of us are thinking about.
You seem to have a great deal of confidence that we will bring in a coach that has a great chance to be very successful.
Simple question: In your opinion how would you rate IU at being easy to win at? Meaning, if IU signs one of the coaches that you are listing, would IU be one of the easiest schools to win at, or one of the tougher ones?
For example, you have Oats and Beard……would they have an easier time winning at the same levels at IU (in your opinion)?
Edit : MAY and Beard
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If they have more NIL funds, the job should be easier as far as attracting and retaining top talent. Hopefully the Simons and Cooks opens their wallets again.
To me, its all relative...winning in college ANYWHERE is hard. There are a ton of good coaches out there, and there are TONS, and TONS, and TONS of talented players.
But relative to the rest of the P4 landscape, I think winning at Indiana is probably a little "easier" than most other places.
-We have a top 5 NIL capacity...coaches basically have a blank check to fill their roster however they see fit.
-Indianapolis is in our back yard...and Indiana HS basketball is still a very fertile feeder system. A good coach in Bloomington, with the NIL capacities we have, has an inherent advantage.
-The B10 isn't quite as deep as the SEC or even B12 right now. So accumulating wins, being near the top of the conference, seems more achievable for a good, top level B10 team right now.
So why hasn't Indiana been able to find a guy that could do it? I think its just an absurd string of bad decisions, and bad luck.
And I think we're finally, in a spot where we have a chance to get a good, smart, college coach, that's proven his program and style will be successful against his peers, and that he'll win a lot of college basketball games. And that he'll have the power of our NIL war chest at his disposal, AND the ability to reshape his roster quickly, like no other, qualified college coach has had at IU.
So...to answer your questions directly... If IU signs one of the coaches off one of my various lists...I believe IU, relative to other P4 schools, would be one of the easier schools to be successful at.
The SEC fellas...give them IU's resources, and a conference that's less deep, and with lesser top end teams, and its fair to say it'd be easier for them to excel at IU than their current schools.
May... he's doing well at Michigan in the B10...a school with lesser NIL capabilities, and more difficult transfer restrictions. Stands to reason it'd be easier for him to excel at IU than at Michigan.
McCollum...he might be competitive in the B10 this year with his Drake roster. They did beat Vandy and KState, and they're 21-2. Give him a couple guys that are even marginally better than a couple of their current guys, by virtue of IU's resources...and I don't think its a reach to think he'd be contending for a B10 title.
No matter who it is there will be so much happiness (myself included) that it will be, at least, a wonderful honeymoon season filled with optimism.
Kinda my main point in all this. Anyone on my list brings soooooo much potential. And we're in an era, and have dynamics, that we haven't ever seen what could be at IU...with a solid college basketball coach.
Gosh, favoritism among coaches? STOP THE PRESSES!!!!
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You're such a dumb lady. You've done more damage to the minds of young women in your "role" in Bloomington over the years than you even realize. I hope they hire him for two reasons: He would succeed at IU and the enjoyment I'd get from watching you completely melt down would be awesome.
"As Chris’ fiancé and biggest supporter, I apologize for the role I played in this unfortunate event. I realize that my frustration, when breaking his glasses, initiated a physical struggle between Chris and myself.
"Chris has stated that he was acting in self-defense, and I do not refute that. I do not believe Chris was trying to intentionally harm me in any way."
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My guess (strictly my guess) is that the “fiance” status kicked this off.You're such a dumb lady. You've done more damage to the minds of young women in your "role" in Bloomington over the years than you even realize. I hope they hire him for two reasons: He would succeed at IU and the enjoyment I'd get from watching you completely melt down would be awesome.
"As Chris’ fiancé and biggest supporter, I apologize for the role I played in this unfortunate event. I realize that my frustration, when breaking his glasses, initiated a physical struggle between Chris and myself.
"Chris has stated that he was acting in self-defense, and I do not refute that. I do not believe Chris was trying to intentionally harm me in any way."
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I don't know, ask Dan Monson, Archie Miller, Todd Lickliter or any other guys who were successful in lower levels of college bball, but didn't have their success translate when they got a P5 job. I just know it happens... frequently. Assuming their success will continue is a dangerous assumption, imo. As I've continued to say, I'm not saying hire Beard, I'm saying talk with him, hire an investigator and consider it. He's by far the most likely guy who has experience and shown he can handle all the demands at this level. If they can reel in an Oats, Pearl, Stevens, etc.. fantastic. And, still interview the smaller school guys and see if someone blows you away. I want the best candidate for IU bball and it doesn't make sense to me to disregard who I think is the most proven and logical candidate out there.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
So why hasn't Indiana been able to find a guy that could do it? I think its just an absurd string of bad decisions, and bad luck. bad decisions, and bad luck.
Hopefully it’s not something else. Hiring a coach is just the first step in the process.
I've known women and girls who will literally kick, hit, and bite guys, daring them to strike back.You're such a dumb lady. You've done more damage to the minds of young women in your "role" in Bloomington over the years than you even realize. I hope they hire him for two reasons: He would succeed at IU and the enjoyment I'd get from watching you completely melt down would be awesome.
"As Chris’ fiancé and biggest supporter, I apologize for the role I played in this unfortunate event. I realize that my frustration, when breaking his glasses, initiated a physical struggle between Chris and myself.
"Chris has stated that he was acting in self-defense, and I do not refute that. I do not believe Chris was trying to intentionally harm me in any way."
What to know about dropped domestic violence charges that led to Chris Beard's Texas firing
Ole Miss basketball announced the hiring of former Texas and Texas Tech coach Chris Beard on Monday.www.clarionledger.com
To think there is only one side in these incidents is being very naive.
The best thing to do when dealing with this type of situation is to turn, walk away, and never go back. But it's a hard lesson to learn and, in heated situations, it can be difficult to not reflexively react.
But for sure, there are guys who make a regular habit of striking out, physically, and that's clearly on the man.
The question, in my mind, is, is this a regular occurrance with Beard or was it a one-time instance? Has it happened in other relationships? To me, that's what Dolson should be looking at, if Beard is under consideration.
In Archie's situation, it's pretty clear that Archie is an introvert. He had success at one school, and rode his brother's coattails to get that. Yes, he had some success, but was it enough to warrant being hired at a school like IU? Obviously not, in hindsight.
Hopefully Dolson looks at the whole person and not just the record. Lickliter and Matta both benefited from the Butler culture and success developed by Barry Collier - he became the AD. That guy had Butler rolling.
One of my first real/adult girlfriends told me her mom would to throw plates and coffee mugs at her dad when they fought. Probably a good thing that relationship ended, though she herself never showed that kind of temper that I saw.
ding, ding, ding.... acting like great coaches are falling off the coache's tree only calls into question more why we've struggle and why UL and UK struck out on their first 2-3 candidates. There's a handful of guys who are realistic options, at best, imo.
On Monson, Miller, Lickliter... Monson and Lickliter went to Minnesota and Iowa, and didn't have NIL or Portal to help them flip things around quickly. Its all relative, I know that, but I think with respect to building your program, the power and flexibility NIL and the Portal give coaches nowadays, creates such a different dynamic versus what those guys faced.
And then with Archie...that's the main counter argument I'd make. Archie came to IU, inherited a roster that didn't fit his style, and was tied with them due to the Bill of Rights. Also, he was coaching at a school that was not willing to wade in to the murky waters of cheating to get recruits...at least I highly doubt he/we were doing that, at the time. NIL, for IU, completely flipped the money side of recruiting from a disadvantage against some major schools, to a decided advantage against most peer schools...overnight. We just haven't had a coach that knows how to properly use that advantage yet.
I don't know if Archie was a guy that would have overhauled the roster immediately or not, but he would have at least had the resources and flexibility to do so. Woodson has only tried to do it one time, and even at that, he still brought back quite a lot of players from last year's team.
In short...this offseason... we SHOULD, for the first time ever in our programs history... have a good college basketball coach, that has the flexibility and resources, to go buy whatever roster he wants, that best suits how he wants to play.
I don't know how powerful that's going to be. But I suspect its going to produce results we haven't enjoyed at IU for a long, long time.
Look at what Pope did for UK. How jacked would we be right now to have a team like theirs, even with the recent losses, hovering around top 10, competing in the B10, averaging 80-90 pts a game.... UK is comparing to the Calipari years...all the sweet 16s, SEC championships, etc... what are we comparing to?
Exactly. I do think he at best, retaliated and went after her. But that is one large gray area that no one here, and aside from those 2 or 3 folks, can answer what went down. If he's an "abuser" there will be other incidents and an investigator will find them in a few hours. Then you can make an informed decision.
but neither did their competition. Moving up in competitive tiers is a big deal. VERY few make it look at seamless as Cig did. It's a much bigger risk than you're allowing.
Yeah, I keep hearing so and so would have multiple titles here.
Maybe, but I have my doubts.
Remember those late 90s? Knight was still on the sideline, and perhaps he had changed. But, so did the university, and the athletic dept. it’s not just the coach.
You're such a dumb lady. You've done more damage to the minds of young women in your "role" in Bloomington over the years than you even realize. I hope they hire him for two reasons: He would succeed at IU and the enjoyment I'd get from watching you completely melt down would be awesome.
"As Chris’ fiancé and biggest supporter, I apologize for the role I played in this unfortunate event. I realize that my frustration, when breaking his glasses, initiated a physical struggle between Chris and myself.
"Chris has stated that he was acting in self-defense, and I do not refute that. I do not believe Chris was trying to intentionally harm me in any way."
What to know about dropped domestic violence charges that led to Chris Beard's Texas firing
Ole Miss basketball announced the hiring of former Texas and Texas Tech coach Chris Beard on Monday.www.clarionledger.com
I hope we hire Beard.
That said, her attorney wrote the quoted language.
Based on review of the police report, if mostly accurate, the self-defense part is bs.
Pope is doing well.
Kelsey is thriving.
DeVries is doing well overall.
McCollum is 21-2 after his move up.
Golden is doing well.
Beard did well.
Jans is doing well.
McCasland is doing well.
May is doing well.
Calhoun is doing well.
Byington is doing well.
Off the top of my head...without using Google even.
When you hire basketball coaches that you know are smart, and that have demonstrated that they can apply those smarts...it works well pretty often. When you hire retreds, when you hire friends of friends, when you don't match personalities and aspirations with your own program...it doesn't work out well.
I read the police report and didn’t think it was BS and the prosecutor, that had at a minimum what we read, didn’t believe the evidence demonstrated it was BS.
The question is not whether Stevens will come back to IU, it is about whether he wants to coach again. Only stevens knows that answer. If he wants coach again, he has to much class to fire the current Celt coach he recently hired to take that job back. Stevens Celtic contract is up at end of season until he signs a new one so the timing is there for him to make the move whether it an another NBA job or college job.
I think that's probably the central question. Family dynamics would play a role as well, I would think.
I think the current college coaching job is similar to NBA Coaching/Management, in some ways. Managing money is now somewhat part of it, making sure you're maximizing your resources/dollars with your roster, talking to and treating them as if they're "pros" because they are now being paid....But I gotta think the lack of any sort of loyalty or accountability with NIL money and limitless transfers, would not appeal to Stevens.
But, from what I do know of him, he probably does have some good thoughts and answers on how to thrive in today's college game and climate. He obviously had a lot of very good answers when he rebuilt an already very good Boston team a couple years ago. He's a very, very smart man. And if he ever does get the coaching itch again, and has some ideas and thoughts on how to apply his knowledge and improve a college program...I hope that happens at IU.
Anyone born and raised in Indiana that played basketball during his era dreamt of playing for RMK. To be the savior of IU basketball and to be mentioned with RMK must have a deep attraction. Whether deep enough I have no idea.
