Well coach K had a pretty good career. No one is saying hire a RMK former player as a permanent replacement. There are coaches who can do the job to make IU dominant again. Some may have coached with RMK and others have not. Do the research and let’s get back to winning titles!
Hey Woodson, tell me how long your coaching again
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Agree on the long term search. And I wouldn’t really care who an interim guy would be…other than I wouldn’t use either of those guys because if they catch lightning in a bottle and win some games coming in…there would be innumerable dumbasses that would scream for them to be named the permanent coach.
Are we really arguing on what coach should be left to run the team if Woodson got fired?
Stay focused people.
Well, the premise was ridiculous anyway. What exactly would be the point of firing Woodson and half the staff with a hand full of games remaining?
I’m pretty confident Woodson will be here next season.
Woodson and the three assistants are the ones who recruit. The new coach eventually get his assistants. But still not until after next year.
Coach Ya is a clown. The 3 recruiters need to be launched.
We could win more with the guys we have.
I’ve not ever been on a high major college coaching staff, but I kinda doubt the assistants are allowed to extend and accept offers on their own.
Woody constructed the roster, and directed who to offer. The assistants you mention were instrumental in landing 3 - 5 star kids on this team…2 more on last years team…1 for next years team.
Our coaches need to be better at teaching and coaching basketball. That’s the core problem with our team, not recruiting.
Yep. I mean, they're clearly not great at either recruiting or evaluating talent. This team is a mismash of different players who all have major weaknesses. They're going to have recruit much better players than this for Woody to win.
More 5-stars are needed...
Here we go with 5 stars. The assistants recruited who they knew. Assistants need to know who cares and who plays hard. Ware was lazy at Oregon. But some services said he's a 5 star. Mgbako is lazy. Nebraska kicked ass in the portal. They recruited 3 star shooters who play hard.
Again…the assistants don’t have the authority to offer players on their own. They don’t likely even have the authority to go watch players on their own, without the head coaches input.
And 5 stars aren’t easy to get commitments from. Namely because there are so few of them. But also because the competition is great. IU wasn’t the only school recruiting any of our players.
They haven’t been taught or coached how to play consistent basketball since they got here…that is our staffs biggest problem.
and some have regressed or simply don't care anymore, they have no real future in basketball beyond graduation, they're getting paid even, why would they care when the coach doesn't care
When Reneau has more assists than your guards and you only get 6-8 points[guards] from the bench while allowing 61 of 75 points to be scored by opponents guards, you gonna lose. Woody has lost this team. His guards provide zilch. That's on him. He just keeps losing home games as well. Not boding well for Woodson at this stage.
I am done with Woodson, but it doesn’t matter.
Thank goodness I wasn’t at the game last night. I would have probably embarrassed myself screaming at him.
We’re going to get to watch this train wreck at least another year.
The players have faults...as is the case on every other team. However, its the coaches' responsibility to coach those faults out of them....or adjust the roster...or both. Its why coaches are coaches...and players are players. I don't recognize what's happening in Bloomington. I can't even think of another program to compare it to at this stage.
College players are very impressionable, and very malleable. If our staff had taught them how to play correctly, they'd play much more correctly.
At some level, they do need to "make shots", so there's always an element of blame on players that aren't executing. But when the failures to execute become this routine...the fault shifts completely to the coaching staff.
my first thought might be Marian University c/o AD Steve Downing. but Coach Heady has them playoff bound again and on a 7 game win streak. I don't think that is even an option.
North I'm not calling our player dumb. but I am calling them dumb basketball players, just constantly doing stupid shit. example Galloway leaping under the basket with no clue where he is going with the ball. sometimes he gets lucky he finds someone, most of the time he throws it in the stands or at someone's feet. can you coach stupid play out of today's kids?
That's a very common play nowadays. Our high school runs plays for that pass, regularly, and more often than not, gets good looks out of it. I would say Trey is pretty decent at it, actually. He had a couple errant passes from that general type of play last night, but I don't think any of them resulted in turnovers? But he also found CJ for a big three during our run, and connected on a couple that easily could have resulted in positive plays.
It works very well against teams that play good helpside defense. The rotations for a baseline drive often leave shooters open on the weak side of the court. As the defense rotates to stop the ball, and then dives to cover the rim. Usually leaves the weak side very vulnerable.
I would say when Trey fails to execute on this play its not because he's dumb. Its because he's not really as skilled a basketball player as most assume he is.
Nebraska ran the play, but their guards didn't leave their feet and got good looks. Steve Nash started doing it years ago it's a common play nowadays at all levels. I said he makes dumb plays not that he was dumb.
But you used a poor example. The running baseline play, even when you jump out of bounds, isn't a "dumb" play. Its now widely used because its very effective against teams that help aggressively. And jumping out of bounds can, and often does, give you better angle to pass the ball to the baseline, or even to the opposite wing...than staying in bounds.
There are other examples of "dumb" plays you could have used...Trey routinely drives in to double and triple team help, as an example.
No credible major college basketball program fires a coach after one bad season. There is no way that can happen and attract top people. The last two seasons have been the best seasons of IU basketball in 9 years. He gets another year and the chance to rebuild the roster.
Bad season? I think they would have to win 2-3 remaining games to elevate this season to bad!
This is the worst season is a LONG time at IU and I hope your wrong about Woodson being on the bench next year.
Louisville also. The portal/transfer rules have created more variance in the season to season performance curve. So a team can get worse or better faster than before. IMO that is another reason not to hang on to a failing coach. Once the coach gets that stink on him, there is likely a better chance for a new guy to go to the portal and turn it around.
leaping out of bounds before you have an idea of where you're going with the ball is dumb. now if you spot someone open and leap out to get a better angle I agree. he takes off before he is committed to anything then surveys the floor
That play is not a legit strategy. It’s a hope. And it’s reckless as hell. Knight would have suffered an aneurysm if one of his players did that. I couldn’t give a crap less who uses it and how it works against sagging helpside, it’s a horse crap play.
it's like anything else with Galloway when hes under control normally good things happen, when he becomes the albino troy williams not so much
Except its not. Its a pretty highly used and valued basketball concept nowadays...especially when you're playing teams that play aggressive help side defense.
We continuously get exposed by it, multiple times a game, on our own defensive side of the court. Offensively, I just wish we had guys more capable of making accurate passes, and then more shooters receiving those passes.
I bet close to 100 of Yogi's assists at IU came off that play...for what its worth.
There are even counter plays setup where the passer dumps the ball to a diving cutter for a layup, because the backside help defender cheats and helps on the baseline pass.
I’ve seen it work. I’ve seen it fail. I’ve also seen Princeton back cut the hell out of far superior teams. If we don’t do it well, don’t f-ing do it at all!
Detroit Mercy? They'll have an opening soon once Mike Davis gets canned.
It has worked for us though, as much as it hasn't. We got at least 2 open threes, that we made, just out of my memory of watching about 10 random minutes of the game last night...off it. I did see Trey get a ball deflected out of bounds off it, and that looked bad, but it wasn't a turnover. He also threw a ball about 3 feet too high that Anthony had to leap to save...off it. So of the ones I remembered, no turnovers, 2 made open threes. Maybe they had a bunch of turnovers in the 30 minutes I missed?
Stockton and Nash weren’t jumping out of bounds when they did it. They maintained their dribbles and found cutters or shooters. TJ McConnell does it well also. I agree it is a wreckless play for most to drive into the paint and jump into the air. Especially with our clogged up lane with both Ware and Malik usually in there.
That said, some are good at it. The best assist guy in the world right now is Haliburton. And he does it all the time with a very low turnover rate. But his combo of skills, length, and vision are freakish.
That said, some are good at it. The best assist guy in the world right now is Haliburton. And he does it all the time with a very low turnover rate. But his combo of skills, length, and vision are freakish.
Can’t swear one way or another. I recorded it and dropped in for a minute or two at random intervals just to see if it was worth spending any time on. It wasn’t. And Galloway did end up with 6 TOs then got called out by his coach again.
I remember 3 of those turnovers...1 he just got the ball ripped out of his hands on the wing. The other two were normal drives in to the middle of 3 defenders in the lane. Maybe the other 3 were on the baseline action play?
I think you just don't like how it looks. There's something unnerving about someone driving baseline and jumping and throwing a skip pass. But I promise its a widely used and accepted play nowadays. I bet there are rarely college or NBA games nowadays where you don't see it at least 10 times. I know my kids HS team runs it multiple times each game.
Stockton and Nash weren't doing it because it hadn't become known or accepted that jumping gives you a better angle for the pass. Those 2 are also 2 of the best passers in the history of basketball, so they can find passing angles where others can't...they probably didn't need the added angle.
Analytics also weren't a thing when those guys played. So they probably didn't focus on baseline 3's...which has become one of the most popular and known efficient shots in basketball.
I have to think it’s over as well, as it’s the only way I stay sane on this issue. Others have laid it out but when you figure we’re going to lose out (last night’s game was our best chance of winning out of all remaining games and we got drilled, at home), have one recruit coming in, and 4 PAC 10 teams joining the league next year the pressure is on Dolson to get Indiana’s #1 sports program in tip top shape. That starts with a coach that knows what the hell he is doing.
This year has proven that MW doesn’t. Some are saying, well what if this player or that player stays and he finds a couple of shooting guards in the portal - really?? For those of you in this camp, have you not been watching? What makes you think he’ll land one decent shooting guard? What guard in his right mind would want to play in this system? Say he did land a guard, will we shoot more 3’s? Will Woody really revamp his entire ‘feed the post’ philosophy and change to an outside guard/wing approach?
Nope, what we saw last night is what we’ve got the rest of this year and next year as well if he’s still around, unless he admits privately that he’s lost and hires a couple of assistants that know the game of CB, or he lands 2 or 3 ‘Mellos’ in the portal.
We should do what OSU did and cut ties right now and show the CB world that we as a program are serious about winning.
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