Green jumping into the draft

[jsig]

It's almost always a good move to get this feedback and it can help a kid realize he needs to get down to business and help his game if/when he returns to college. IMO he clearly has the second most NBA potential from your roster last year (not saying he was your second best player or best team player that's a different thing).

I don't think he is close to Morgan. It's a shame morgan had to play 2 years primarily in the post and likely didn't really get to develop his perimeter game at least I expect that is case. I don't really know what happened in the practice. Morgan has a nice all round skillset and IMO, playing in the paint in the Big 10 proves some toughness. He doesn't have elite athleticism but I think his athleticism is underrated. He kind of reminds me of a Jae Crowder type of player. Whether he can realize that potential who knows. I think he'll put in the work to improve his game and in the strength room. Some team may draft Morgan if they know he will sign a 2-way contract.

Maybe Green will change my mind in his senior year. He is clearly athletic enough to make it but his atheticism will not be an advantage in the NBA like it is in college. He is like a poor man's Troy Williams but Troy has elite athlecism even at the NBA level. Maybe Green makes the NBA someday but my guess is if he does, he will bounce around lesser pro leagues for a few years unlike Troy who is bouncing around from NBA team to NBA team taking up one of the final roster spots.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

This should make posters happy.

 

[Eurocyldon]

Nothing wrong with getting the feedback and seeing where he stands.

But you can almost predict what they are going to tell him:
* Lower the turnovers
* Keep improving your 3pt shot
* Try to find a mid-range shot
* Become a legit PG (the only chance you have in the NBA)
* Get stronger
* Be a leader
* Try to avoid getting suspended

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

It may be a more stable college game, but the talent level will never be what it once was, and college basketball will just not be as watchable. At that point the watchability factor will be 1.) NBA, 2.) High School, 3.) College. at that point NAIA ball may be even with D1 in watchability for me, as there will be many local Indiana HS players playing there that I have already watched for 4 years +. A reduced talent level in college basketball will level the playing field a lot. Mid Majors and power five non-blue blood teams that have never been able to stack high level talent with one and dones, or two and dones such as Purdue will suddenly have an increased opportunity at Final Fours that has never existed before. Also D1 schools that recruit foreign players such as Gonzaga, Valpo will have an advantage as many of those foreign players entry into professional basketball in the United States and the NBA will mainly be through proving themselves in college for a year or two and not into the early entry NBA Draft. I could see foreign talent becoming the new elite talents of D1 college basketball. Foreign talent will also flood into the elite Prep School circuit which will effectively be the current Duke's and Kentucky's stockpiling NBA lottery pick talents the season before they declare for the NBA Draft.
Three D1 college basketball models will work well going forward, the Gonzaga model using foreign talent especially big men, the Purdue model 3* and 4* 4 year players who play physical agressive defense combined with Big 7 foot post players , and 3 point shooters. The Texas Tech grad transfer model, using immediately eligible grad transfers to suddenly form a super team. Rim protectors and 3pt shooters will be a premium in the new college basketball. It will certainly open a new era of closer parity in college basketball. I enjoyed watching the elite talents and one and dones in college basketball. Duke 2019 with Zion, RJ Barrett, and Cam Reddish. Those were the teams that were exciting to watch. Not Northwestern vs Penn State. I would much rather watch Indiana Weslyan play than unexciting low level D1 teams.

IU doesn't live by the OAD either so ostensibly it would help IU as much as it would help Purdue. If it were two years mandatory it would be better IMO. Or if they could go directly it would be better. OAD is probably the worst scenario of all of them for me as a fan.

You will still have OAD if they change the rules. The first round is set in the number of picks, so you will have some guys staying longer too if HS early entries come into play. I think you won't have the Zion's of the world, but I don't think it will drop off noticeably in talent. More upperclassman = better basketball.

 

[ufo33]

Nothing wrong with getting the feedback and seeing where he stands.

But you can almost predict what they are going to tell him:
* Lower the turnovers
* Keep improving your 3pt shot
* Try to find a mid-range shot
* Become a legit PG (the only chance you have in the NBA)
* Get stronger
* Be a leader
* Try to avoid getting suspended

Get your degree, you are not a NBA guy.

 

[fpeaugh]

But, but, but I was told by so many Archie apologists last year during the 12 game dumpster fire that Green was the problem and needed to transfer.

Now the same people want him to stay? Make up your minds people.

 

[fpeaugh]

That would be a shame, but to me, ANYTHING is better than the OAD situation we are in now. Attending college and "classes" as a sham to play basketball reduces what college is. I'll take the quality of play going down a tiny bit over fake students any day.

I think the new "ease of transfer" rules hurt the college game more, especially football.

It’s no more of a sham than someone staying all 4 years and getting a meaningless BS degree they’ll never use imo. And there are millions of those being passed out.

 

[ufo33]

IU doesn't live by the OAD either so ostensibly it would help IU as much as it would help Purdue. If it were two years mandatory it would be better IMO. Or if they could go directly it would be better. OAD is probably the worst scenario of all of them for me as a fan.

You will still have OAD if they change the rules. The first round is set in the number of picks, so you will have some guys staying longer too if HS early entries come into play. I think you won't have the Zion's of the world, but I don't think it will drop off noticeably in talent. More upperclassman = better basketball.

Lower talent = older guys playing bad basketball = no interest to watch

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

It’s no more of a sham than someone staying all 4 years and getting a meaningless BS degree they’ll never use imo. And there are millions of those being passed out.

As usual, you know not what you speak of.

From the article:

"The overall single-year rate was boosted by increased rates among black student-athletes in all sports (up 2 percentage points to 79 percent), men’s basketball players (up 3 percentage points to 85 percent), Football Bowl Subdivision participants (up 1 percentage point to 79 percent) and Football Championship Subdivision participants (up 3 percentage points to 79 percent). Data released today reflect graduation numbers among student-athletes who entered school in 2011.

Black men’s basketball players, who reached an all-time high GSR of 78 percent last year, are up another 4 points in 2018 to 82 percent."

CDK strikes once again . . .

 

[iubud]

Nothing wrong with getting the feedback and seeing where he stands.

But you can almost predict what they are going to tell him:
* Lower the turnovers
* Keep improving your 3pt shot
* Try to find a mid-range shot
* Become a legit PG (the only chance you have in the NBA)
* Get stronger
* Be a leader
* Try to avoid getting suspended

Being the brother of an NBA player, he has some connections. He could become a very good player and the NBA may give him a chance to prove himself as an undrafted free agent. His talent has never been the issue. Someone may see that.

He stands a better chance if he comes back and plays a full season as a starter, but there are no guarantees.

 

[ufo33]

Being the brother of an NBA player, he has some connections. He could become a very good player and the NBA may give him a chance to prove himself as an undrafted free agent. His talent has never been the issue. Someone may see that.

He stands a better chance if he comes back and plays a full season as a starter, but there are no guarantees.

Green needs to improve his decision making and cut down on turnovers and forced shots.

 

[jsig]

But, but, but I was told by so many Archie apologists last year during the 12 game dumpster fire that Green was the problem and needed to transfer.

Now the same people want him to stay? Make up your minds people.

Green has been consistently inconsistent. He was terrible during the losing streak except for maybe a game or 2. He shot like 31% with 27 TOs during the months of January and February over 11 games. He also had a 3 game suspension.

You should make a list of the names of the folks who said Green should transfer and are now backtracking on wanting Green to leave.

I hope that Green and Smith both stay. Never want any player to transfer even those who don't live up to rotation standards and just want to get a useless degree as you describe them.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

Lower talent = older guys playing bad basketball = no interest to watch

There is still only x number of spots in the NBA and x number of first round picks that make skipping college worth it. Open it up for HS and we have a few less 6.0 recruits playing one year and a few more 5.9 recruits playing 3 or 4 years. The talent drop will be small and made up for by a slight bit more very good college players playing a bit longer.

 

[fpeaugh]

As usual, you know not what you speak of.

From the article:

"The overall single-year rate was boosted by increased rates among black student-athletes in all sports (up 2 percentage points to 79 percent), men’s basketball players (up 3 percentage points to 85 percent), Football Bowl Subdivision participants (up 1 percentage point to 79 percent) and Football Championship Subdivision participants (up 3 percentage points to 79 percent). Data released today reflect graduation numbers among student-athletes who entered school in 2011.

Black men’s basketball players, who reached an all-time high GSR of 78 percent last year, are up another 4 points in 2018 to 82 percent."

CDK strikes once again . . .

None of this has anything to do with what my post was about.

 

[Jssanto]

But, but, but I was told by so many Archie apologists last year during the 12 game dumpster fire that Green was the problem and needed to transfer.

Now the same people want him to stay? Make up your minds people.

I do not read as many posts as you, but I don’t think that was the uniform opinion. I think we did not know and when he was suspended it raised questions. I know of no one who has the complete accurate story of what happened with some of the team chemistry issues. I have seen rumors but certainly don’t know what happened and especially could not blame any given individual

 

[ufo33]

There is still only x number of spots in the NBA and x number of first round picks that make skipping college worth it. Open it up for HS and we have a few less 6.0 recruits playing one year and a few more 5.9 recruits playing 3 or 4 years. The talent drop will be small and made up for by a slight bit more very good college players playing a bit longer.

I see shorter NBA careers as teams retool faster with youthful legs and smaller salaries , especially with an increased influx of foreign players to the NBA. I dont see as many 4 year NBA players in the future. NBA talent will leave as soon as possible to NBA/G League for develpoment while getting paid with career injury insurance. In time the available roster spots will eventually get tighter, once the large number of end of career players with huge salaries are replaced or not signed.

 

[ufo33]

There is still only x number of spots in the NBA and x number of first round picks that make skipping college worth it. Open it up for HS and we have a few less 6.0 recruits playing one year and a few more 5.9 recruits playing 3 or 4 years. The talent drop will be small and made up for by a slight bit more very good college players playing a bit longer.

Older less talented players = current G-League. Not excited about the future of college basketball.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

Older less talented players = current G-League. Not excited about the future of college basketball.

IMO OAD is still the worst of all possible scenarios. Teams with upperclassman who are mid round NBA picks will play better basketball than teams with OAD. If you want to see "ISO, slash into the lane, draw a foul" basketball the NBA is right there for you to watch.

 

[ORG]

Or it could mean the player wants something CAM will not give him . . . $$$.

 

[ufo33]

IMO OAD is still the worst of all possible scenarios. Teams with upperclassman who are mid round NBA picks will play better basketball than teams with OAD. If you want to see "ISO, slash into the lane, draw a foul" basketball the NBA is right there for you to watch.

College teams with no NBA talent will be less exciting to watch than HS ball with NBA talent.

 

[VanHoosier]

Really not shocked......
http://amicohoops.net/nba-draft-nba-rumors-devonte-green-indiana-basketball/

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL... It's not April 1st.

 

[trailrunner]

Nothing wrong with getting the feedback and seeing where he stands.

But you can almost predict what they are going to tell him:
* Lower the turnovers
* Keep improving your 3pt shot
* Try to find a mid-range shot
* Become a legit PG (the only chance you have in the NBA)
* Get stronger
* Be a leader
* Try to avoid getting suspended

Being the brother of an NBA player, he has some connections. He could become a very good player and the NBA may give him a chance to prove himself as an undrafted free agent. His talent has never been the issue. Someone may see that.

He stands a better chance if he comes back and plays a full season as a starter, but there are no guarantees.

If Green plays for IU next year, his main goal will be to impress NBA scouts. He will be jacking up shots every chance he gets. Other teams will simply double team him and create turnovers from his selfishness.

 

[cryano]

I do not read as many posts as you, but I don’t think that was the uniform opinion. I think we did not know and when he was suspended it raised questions. I know of no one who has the complete accurate story of what happened with some of the team chemistry issues. I have seen rumors but certainly don’t know what happened and especially could not blame any given individual

Nah - most of the Archie Apologists blamed Justin Smith first, Green second, and Romeo third.
They wanted Smith and Green to be ‘sent packing’ and were adamant that Romeo was not an NBA ready talent...

 

[Courtsensetwo]

It’s no more of a sham than someone staying all 4 years and getting a meaningless BS degree they’ll never use imo. And there are millions of those being passed out.

Just because you got a meaningless degree at USI or wherever is no reason to project onto others. My advice to DG is simple #1 get your degree, #2 work on what you are told to get a roster spot overseas.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Just because you got a meaningless degree at USI or wherever is no reason to project onto others. My advice to DG is simple #1 get your degree, #2 work on what you are told to get a roster spot overseas.

If by USI, you mean United States Incels, then you would be correct.

 

[ufo33]

If Green plays for IU next year, his main goal will be to impress NBA scouts. He will be jacking up shots every chance he gets. Other teams will simply double team him and create turnovers from his selfishness.

That sucks

 

[oldcougar77]

If Green plays for IU next year, his main goal will be to impress NBA scouts. He will be jacking up shots every chance he gets. Other teams will simply double team him and create turnovers from his selfishness.

So he told you this in a conversation, or you're just pulling a generalized bias out of your ass and stating it as an indisputable outcome. ?

Do you make the same projection for every player who enters his final year with NBA aspirations ?

I wouldn't argue that Green's history suggests an inclination to take bad shots and commit untimely turnovers with careless play. His playground style was a style tolerated or even encouraged by the coach he came here to play for, and has undoubtedly created issues for him with the current coach. But it's unfair to disparage a kid by stupidly suggesting you know his motives and how he will play before he sets foot on the court next year.

 

[82hoosier]

This is a smart decision by him. He will get an objective assessment of what he needs to improve on most, skill wise, in the off-season. I imagine he will be more committed to doing extra work.

 

[ufo33]

This is a smart decision by him. He will get an objective assessment of what he needs to improve on most, skill wise, in the off-season. I imagine he will be more committed to doing extra work.

Green's eyes might be opened to value the more and make better decisions.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

College teams with no NBA talent will be less exciting to watch than HS ball with NBA talent.

"college teams with no NBA talent", so I guess the draft will be 32 HS seniors every year and nothing else, since there will be no NBA talent in college. Take the 3 or 4 freshman that would have been first round picks out of HS, hell make the 5 or 6 freshman this year and imagine the season. Who did IU play that wouldn't have been on the opposition if the OAD was done? Who did Purdue play that had one? Maybe Romeo.

We have been here before, this isn't a new rule, it's reverting to an old rule.

 

[ufo33]

"college teams with no NBA talent", so I guess the draft will be 32 HS seniors every year and nothing else, since there will be no NBA talent in college. Take the 3 or 4 freshman that would have been first round picks out of HS, hell make the 5 or 6 freshman this year and imagine the season. Who did IU play that wouldn't have been on the opposition if the OAD was done? Who did Purdue play that had one? Maybe Romeo.

We have been here before, this isn't a new rule, it's reverting to an old rule.

The revelation could come if the G-League becomes a true minor league to the NBA, with Million Dollar bonus signings like many MLB players in the minor leagues. At that point you have more open spots than the 60 or so in the NBA Draft. Michigan's big man was I believe a one and done. I could see NBA Teams dumping big salaries of players who are in the 30s and 40s who are not what they once were for younger players. If the G-League totally transforms into what Duke and Kentucky are now, almost everyone drafted goes to the G-League first before being called-up to the parent NBA club. So instead of a 18 year old getting manhandled by NBA players he goes to the G-League for maturing and better prepare for the transition from HS to the NBA. G-League would take the place of college basketball for NBA potential talent.

 

[fpeaugh]

"college teams with no NBA talent", so I guess the draft will be 32 HS seniors every year and nothing else, since there will be no NBA talent in college. Take the 3 or 4 freshman that would have been first round picks out of HS, hell make the 5 or 6 freshman this year and imagine the season. Who did IU play that wouldn't have been on the opposition if the OAD was done? Who did Purdue play that had one? Maybe Romeo.

We have been here before, this isn't a new rule, it's reverting to an old rule.

What if they expand the G Leauge or something similar and go to a 4 round draft? What about 6 round? Be careful what you wish for. There’s a lot of money being generated by these kids.

 

[jsig]

What if they expand the G Leauge or something similar and go to a 4 round draft? What about 6 round? Be careful what you wish for. There’s a lot of money being generated by these kids.

I think the G-League will expand until each NBA team has a franchise affiliation. They are getting pretty close to that. Cuban has already mentioned more rounds in the past to expand rosters with more developmental players.

There is not much money being generated bythe G-League. That could change if they keep the rosters more consistent and winninggames were more important. Right now it is just something to go do for entertainment. Nothing aboutthe team cares about winning. The fans don't. the players don't. I'll go to a couple Austin spurs games and root for the team but I couldn't tell you their record, where they are in the standings or how good their opponent is. Only know a couple of the players. The G-League playoffs are pretty cool though.

 

[oldcougar77]

The revelation could come if the G-League becomes a true minor league to the NBA, with Million Dollar bonus signings like many MLB players in the minor leagues. At that point you have more open spots than the 60 or so in the NBA Draft. Michigan's big man was I believe a one and done. I could see NBA Teams dumping big salaries of players who are in the 30s and 40s who are not what they once were for younger players. If the G-League totally transforms into what Duke and Kentucky are now, almost everyone drafted goes to the G-League first before being called-up to the parent NBA club. So instead of a 18 year old getting manhandled by NBA players he goes to the G-League for maturing and better prepare for the transition from HS to the NBA. G-League would take the place of college basketbal for NBA potential talent.

As it should be. College basketball should be played by people who actually want a college degree. A true minor league for the NBA would be the best thing to happen to college basketball in many years.

 

[ufo33]

As it should be. College basketball should be played by people who actually want a college degree. A true minor league for the NBA would be the best thing to happen to college basketball in many years.

Up to now College Basketball has been the minor league to the NBA.

 

[trailrunner]

If Green plays for IU next year, his main goal will be to impress NBA scouts. He will be jacking up shots every chance he gets. Other teams will simply double team him and create turnovers from his selfishness.

So he told you this in a conversation, or you're just pulling a generalized bias out of your ass and stating it as an indisputable outcome. ?

Do you make the same projection for every player who enters his final year with NBA aspirations ?

I wouldn't argue that Green's history suggests an inclination to take bad shots and commit untimely turnovers with careless play. His playground style was a style tolerated or even encouraged by the coach he came here to play for, and has undoubtedly created issues for him with the current coach. But it's unfair to disparage a kid by stupidly suggesting you know his motives and how he will play before he sets foot on the court next year.

You moron.

 

[ufo33]

If Green plays for IU next year, his main goal will be to impress NBA scouts. He will be jacking up shots every chance he gets. Other teams will simply double team him and create turnovers from his selfishness.

Kind of like Carsen Edwards with more turnovers

 

[jbhoosiers]

IMO if the NBA continues to grab more and more players straight out of high school through Select Contracts to the G League, G League Draft or NBA draft (if it goes back to drafting 18 year olds) it will limit NBA fan bases of people who would want to spend time and/or money watching games. If the NBA wants to keep up interest levels, then requiring high school players to play at least one year (and maybe even two years) in college would give people a chance to see them play and root for them in college prior to playing in the NBA or in the G League. The best thing the NBA could do to keep up interest levels is for fan bases to build a connection with college players in hundreds of college towns all over the country. More people would have a connection with new NBA players if they had a chance to watch them play in college. Personally, I would be more inclined to watch an NBA game if I knew some of the players from having watched them play in college. I believe a lot of people feel the same way.

 

[IUCrazy2]

I think the G-League will expand until each NBA team has a franchise affiliation. They are getting pretty close to that. Cuban has already mentioned more rounds in the past to expand rosters with more developmental players.

There is not much money being generated bythe G-League. That could change if they keep the rosters more consistent and winninggames were more important. Right now it is just something to go do for entertainment. Nothing aboutthe team cares about winning. The fans don't. the players don't. I'll go to a couple Austin spurs games and root for the team but I couldn't tell you their record, where they are in the standings or how good their opponent is. Only know a couple of the players. The G-League playoffs are pretty cool though.

There is a bunch of money being generated by these kids because of where they play, not because of who they are. A UK fan in Bowling Green does not give a hoot about a one and done player for the Louisville (city) G League franchise.

Yeah, those kids generate money but it is not the same kind of money they would generate if they were not playing for a school like Indiana.

Ostensibly, the Fort Wayne Mad Ants generally have better talent overall and play against better talent than IU. You know how many games of theirs I would watch even with Romeo on the team? Zero. And I grew up in Ft. Wayne. Minor league games are where you take your kids for a diversion. The NBA is not going to split up their revenue model right now to expand the G-League because there is not the money in it that you think there is. If it was a cash cow, they would have been all over it years ago. When OAD goes away, it will go back to how it was. The super good players will go straight to the pros (usually like 6 or so guys a year) and the rest will go to college...which is the NBA's free developmental league.

 

[T.M.P.]

Winning helps a lot.

No it doesn't. Has very little to nothing to do with getting drafted or becoming a pro.