Just terrible. Between the two they only scored slightly more than half of IU's points in 20 minutes. And Green with 6 boards and no TOs? Obviously he's uncoachable. Can't believe IU has to burn another scholarship on him next year.
Green and Smith shouldn't see another minute all Season
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I was going to post this in response to RTT's OP:
You probably oughta go ahead and put the "dws" at the end of your post. There are those who will agree with you, even though it is clearly a Modest Proposal style work . . . .
There was no doubt in my mind . . . I heard it in your tone of voice . . . .
Make your comment when they are playing Michigan, Duke, Michigan State, or -insert power 5 team-
Green is having a good game, and I'll give him credit it for it, but it's Central Arkansas. Let's be a little more realistic.
There is no "us" and I'll comment whenever I please. "Realistic-ally", Green is killing it from deep - that travels.
Green and Smith were good tonight. They both did really good things.
I’ll also point out when they play like crap, which has also happened.
:shrug
I’ll also point out when they play like crap, which has also happened.
:shrug
The hard part is convincing it to get off the bus and perform in a hostile environment.
Yes it was Central Arkansas. The perfect game for Green to get rhythm back into his shooting. This is the how Green should play, in the role of a true catch and shoot player. I Hope RP is back soon. I like the trio of RP, Green and Romeo on the court at the same as starters if Green plays that catch and shoot role with an occasional attack the basket. He need to play with a scoring mentality not a PG mentality.
Green gets into trouble when he is at PG and thinks he has to get others involved with crazy passes like the behind the back pass to Deron on the fast break. He deserves criticism when he does those things, Even if the pass made it to Deron what is the chances Deron was going to catch and finish. If I am Archie, I tell him to score in those situations.
Smith deserves some of the criticism he gets. He makes mistakes that need cleaned up. That said there is a reason he gets minutes. Tonight shows the talent he possesses.
I guess the point of this thread was about the OP who gets offended when those 2 are criticized when folks want to discuss basketball and point out both good and bad traits in players. He also read us some box score stats with no basketball opinions.
Green gets into trouble when he is at PG and thinks he has to get others involved with crazy passes like the behind the back pass to Deron on the fast break. He deserves criticism when he does those things, Even if the pass made it to Deron what is the chances Deron was going to catch and finish. If I am Archie, I tell him to score in those situations.
Smith deserves some of the criticism he gets. He makes mistakes that need cleaned up. That said there is a reason he gets minutes. Tonight shows the talent he possesses.
I guess the point of this thread was about the OP who gets offended when those 2 are criticized when folks want to discuss basketball and point out both good and bad traits in players. He also read us some box score stats with no basketball opinions.
Could not agree more with this. Devonte can be a really nice 2 guard for us this year and next. As far as Justin, he is slowly finding and accepting what his role should be. Really like what I seen from him last night. Both need to reduce down the amount of time they spend pounding the ball in the ground. If they both do that, we will improve as a team a lot.
When they are playing dumb, selfish and sloppy ball they should be called out for it. Period. They played well last night. Now let’s see some consistent good play from them, especially in January. If they are maturing that will make the team that much better.
I’m happy Green and Smith played well and hit shots. I’d be even happier if they did that in a game we actually needed them to do that.
Swing and a miss. In the past I have indeed responded to criticisms of Players that IMO were unwarranted, absurd and/or that reflected minimal to zero understanding of the Game. Comments that refer to Players as "garbage" or dismiss them as giving "no effort" fall into that category, and as such deserve being characterized as 'garbage' and/or the product of 'no effort' mentally by the posters. It's not about being offended - it's about responding to those who imagine that acting stupid is something other than acting stupid.
Will say that my not offering an opinion is a novel criticism, pretty sure most here feel just the opposite and would prefer to hear somewhat less rather than more of my thoughts on IU. In any case, Justin and Devonte's stat for the first half and the game should be self-explanatory - when someone goes 5-5 for the half or posts a 19/9/6 line with only 2 TOs for the game, thinking there's not much else to say or that's needed in the way of opinion.
As for DG's pass on the break to DD, if DD had swung wide of the lane or slowed down instead of running to anyplace but exactly on the opposite side of the defender, DG could have delivered a pass for an easy slam. As it was he chose to make the only pass that was available rather than rising for a contested layup - was a near thing and a testament to DG that could see and make the attempt. Had it worked would have been the highlight of the night.
You're welcome to criticize whomever and whatever you want - but if and when you demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about, sort of like now, allow that you're likely to become the recipient of criticism yourself.
DG's still not out of the woods - made a couple passes last night that should have been TOs but got bailed out by Juwan's hands and lucky bounces - but he's getting there. And Justin had a grand total of 2 rebounds in 21 minutes - to his credit he only turned it over twice, but it's not wrong to expect that the most athletic Player on the Court be better on the boards.
Hope you're not expecting me to disagree. No issues with anyone getting "called out", do have some bias w.r.t. that being done fairly and intelligently. Thread title only repeated previously expressed sentiments by resident experts.
The post does remind me of those that post during the game only to be proven wrong by the end.
If Smith can catch the ball where he can make a quick play, he can be very good. The Green from last night needs to show up more often.
For me it's their poor athleticism. Combined they can't get out of their own way. I really wish we would recruit guys who could run and jump a little.
Go Hoosiers!
Ok...you got me...
I read the header and think to myself "I like Rikki's posts...has he fallen of the wagon?"
not to be debbie downer...but there were still a lot of ill-advised/sloppy passes by the good guys last night. Didn't make much difference in the score, but against the likes of this yr's B1G elite, it's going to kill us unless it's cleaned up.
If Smith doesn't dribble much he succeeds. If Green doesn't turn the ball over he succeeds.
Part of the reason why Green made that behind the back pass was because Davis did not run a proper lane. He should have been further to his right and then it would have been a better passing lane for Green. Shon Morris, who I really liked as a player at Northwestern made this point correctly.
I don't mind if you talk basketball, but you sure picked a bad game to justify your criticism of Green's performance at point guard and your theory that he shouldn't be anything but "a true catch and shoot player."
In 28 minutes against Cent. Arkansas, he had 6 assists, 2 turnovers, 4 steals, 2 blocks, 9 rebounds, 0 (that is ZERO) fouls, 3 fouls drawn, in addition to 6 of 10 smart, non-forced three-pointers. Those are excellent numbers for a point guard.
In addition, I saw several occasions in that game (but didn't count them) where he started to make a risky pass but thought about it and pulled the ball back in and made a more ordinary pass to keep the possession alive.
Devonte Green may be the quickest player on our team (Durham looks quick too), and he appears to be learning how to stop making risky, low-return passes. His upside is high. I want to see more of him at point guard.
What wagon? Would have to be on one to fall off. Prefer point or walking drag - little interest in whom or what is in between.
I want to see Green as a catch and shoot non-PG. Phinesee is far steadier and reliable going forward at PG. Green needs to stick to his strengths -shooting open shots and good defense, and minimize his weaknesses, high risk passes, dribble directly into traffic, too much "french pastry" on the pass or multiple ultra fast the thru the legs dribbles with no purpose.
Meanwhile...
"Durham takes the three..." CLANK!
"Durham makes the pass..." OUT OF BOUNDS!
At least Green can hit the three, and Smith has some hops to help with put-backs and rebounds. Durham, on the other hand, is a scrawny twig who provides next to no offense. He's like a skinnier McRoberts, minus the hustle plays.
"Durham takes the three..." CLANK!
"Durham makes the pass..." OUT OF BOUNDS!
At least Green can hit the three, and Smith has some hops to help with put-backs and rebounds. Durham, on the other hand, is a scrawny twig who provides next to no offense. He's like a skinnier McRoberts, minus the hustle plays.
I think a scoring guard role is his best role. Don't mind him having a good game across the board on the stat sheet. With Phin out he was needed at PG. I still don't trust him totally with the keys to the car. I like Phin and Romeo to be the primary playmakers and like him in the lineup with those 2. Hope Phin can comeback soon.
I think posting up and receiving a pass into the post is much different than catching a pass while running on the fast break especially for a big. Are there stats on how well he catches the ball on a fast break.
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