Get the RMK off the jersey

[IUfan1957]

Who's apathetic? Sure as hell isn't me. You could ask my wife and friends about what I'm like during a game. It sure as heck isn't apathetic, but it's also not criticizing in an overly emotional way either. That's when critiquing crosses over into whining. There's a difference between "come on guys, grab the ball, we need to get back in this game!" and "rebound the god damn ball you dumbass! You suck! Coach sucks! Fire Woody now and hire Dusty May!" There's a lot of the latter on this board. Same critique, but one is overly emotional whining. I'm not going to a game with the person that does the latter. Well, not more than once. But hey, if you enjoy crossing over into whining, go ahead, just don't expect me to join in.

You Are! At least that's how you're coming across in your post. I find it kind of intriguing how your critiquing of people's emotions, sounds a lot like whining.

 

[CriticArisen]

Who's apathetic? Sure as hell isn't me. You could ask my wife and friends about what I'm like during a game. It sure as heck isn't apathetic, but it's also not criticizing in an overly emotional way either. That's when critiquing crosses over into whining. There's a difference between "come on guys, grab the ball, we need to get back in this game!" and "rebound the god damn ball you dumbass! You suck! Coach sucks! Fire Woody now and hire Dusty May!" There's a lot of the latter on this board. Same critique, but one is overly emotional whining. I'm not going to a game with the person that does the latter. Well, not more than once. But hey, if you enjoy crossing over into whining, go ahead, just don't expect me to join in.

One time I was watching a game and my wife was just outside the closed from door talking to a neighbor women. This women asked my wife if I was beating a dog in there. My wife-No, watching IU basketball.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You kind of do get emotional. You get very emotional about people getting emotional on the message board.

Do you see the irony in that? LOL

No. Emotion is OK. We all get emotional. Overly emotional hysterical whining is an entirely different thing.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I don’t want to speak for anyone else as far as apathy goes. I’m just saying that I’m more apathetic towards IU basketball than I used to be. To me, that’s not a bad thing. I get to play the drums on Tuesdays, and if there’s a game, that’s ok, I’m playing music and having fun. Maybe I’ll go for a 5 hour bike ride on a Saturday and tape a game, hey I live for those adventures.

There will always be people here calling for a coaches head. And they complain. But, I don’t know them personally and I’m not going to assume that they are going life being miserable.

And there are those that say (and have said under the previous fired coaches),” I will cheer for IU and support the team and coach. There’s nothing we can do, he’s not getting fired, etc.”. And of course, when the blood is in the water and it’s obvious their coaching tenure is done, these people suck up that blood and suddenly turn.

i don’t know. A longer ramble basically saying that we are all IU fans here, but different. Some need to come here to vent. Some like to come here to talk about the bright side. Just because you have someone in a whine and cheese club it doesn’t mean that they are all going through life more miserable than someone else.

Coming here to talk is what we should be doing. We shouldn’t attack each other for differing opinions. We wouldn’t be talking about this if those with negative opinions didn’t routinely attack those that weren’t negative or even less negative. Have I attacked too? Of course. I’m a military guy and we defend ourselves and the best defense is a good offense.

 

[.Gerdis]

Coming here to talk is what we should be doing. We shouldn’t attack each other for differing opinions.

Yes, agreed. Hopefully people are encouraged to keep posting their different opinions.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You Are! At least that's how you're coming across in your post. I find it kind of intriguing how your critiquing of people's emotions, sounds a lot like whining.

If I was apathetic I wouldn’t be here.

 

[demunn]

No. Emotion is OK. We all get emotional. Overly emotional hysterical whining is an entirely different thing.

Let me be clear. I'm more disgusted, incensed and shocked that a coach who knew RMK and his brand better than any of us lets this happen 3x in the span of a couple weeks. Not my intention to whine, it's sincerely more of a holy f*** is this team broken and we probably don't have the balls/give a shit enough to make the change we know has to happen because another year isn't fixing this level of dysfunction.

 

[DANC]

Nothing about this team is honoring his legacy.

You're talking about the guy who threw a chair during a game, right?

I'm as big a BK fan as there is, but let's not act like his behavior was perfect and something to aspire to.

 

[FormerRevMatt]

Yes, agreed. Hopefully people are encouraged to keep posting their different opinions.

This. I'll never understand anyone who complains about other people having other opinions.

I mean, a lot of people on here are just plain wrong. LOL But they should post. Otherwise, this place will dry up and become a ghost town.

Now granted, we don't need the crazies like Ordy, but show me a fanbase with IU's following and past success that isn't going to have people unhappy with the state of the program in the last 20 years. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

I think last night might have just been the low point, though, so I get people being upset on here. I mean, the team getting called out by Fish, of all people. And, of course, being called out on FS1 too. It was a bad night for the program.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Let me be clear. I'm more disgusted, incensed and shocked that a coach who knew RMK and his brand better than any of us lets this happen 3x in the span of a couple weeks. Not my intention to whine, it's sincerely more of a holy f*** is this team broken and we probably don't have the balls/give a shit enough to make the change we know has to happen because another year isn't fixing this level of dysfunction.

I was on the Indy Star forum during the last years of the Knight era. I strongly defended him from the Negative Nancies at that time (we didn’t call them that, but I think some of them are members of the NNW&CC now), so I’m well aware of what IU basketball was and who RMK was.

I’m not happy with this year. We must admit that the past two years were an improvement on the previous six. That’s a fact, not an opinion. This year isn’t over, but it’s most likely not going to be so good. This all most likely means Woodson will be our coach next year. That will be make or break.

By the way, I’m on the record here as not being a fan of hiring NBA coaches because most don’t work. Some were praising Michigan’s hiring of Howard. I had the opposite take and said so. However, I’m not a Michigan fan, I’m an IU fan. My coach is Mike Woodson and I’ll hope he succeeds until the day he leaves. And Woodson was a fairly successful head coach, Howard was not a head coach. There was/is reason to have some hope.

 

[demunn]

You're talking about the guy who threw a chair during a game, right?

I'm as big a BK fan as there is, but let's not act like his behavior was perfect and something to aspire to.

And Woody Hayes punched a player in a game... You think OSU fans would accept the same output from their football team with Woody's initials on their jersey? Ryan Day is 45-6, you rarely see dirty play by his team, and he's on a warm seat for not beating Michigan.

 

[iubhounds]

If I was apathetic I wouldn’t be here.

I am apathetic but I'm bored. I am also a retired vet if that counts and I am here on this forum because I don't like 10° outside.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I am apathetic but I'm bored. I am also a retired vet if that counts and I am here on this forum because I don't like 10° outside.

It’s frickin’ cold. Global warming, my arse. 😉

 

[tru123dt]

Next year means nothing. He’s shown us what he is. It’s over.

What do you mean? I know you think it is not possible but if we have a good year then Indiana will have to make a decision about extending his contract. You cannot recruit if you a lame duck coach.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

It’s frickin’ cold. Global warming, my arse. 😉

It’s called “climate change” 😂😂

 

[demunn]

I was on the Indy Star forum during the last years of the Knight era. I strongly defended him from the Negative Nancies at that time (we didn’t call them that, but I think some of them are members of the NNW&CC now), so I’m well aware of what IU basketball was and who RMK was.

I’m not happy with this year. We must admit that the past two years were an improvement on the previous six. That’s a fact, not an opinion. This year isn’t over, but it’s most likely not going to be so good. This all most likely means Woodson will be our coach next year. That will be make or break.

By the way, I’m on the record here as not being a fan of hiring NBA coaches because most don’t work. Some were praising Michigan’s hiring of Howard. I had the opposite take and said so. However, I’m not a Michigan fan, I’m an IU fan. My coach is Mike Woodson and I’ll hope he succeeds until the day he leaves. And Woodson was a fairly successful head coach, Howard was not a head coach. There was/is reason to have some hope.

I was probably on the same forums back in the days of Gojko and other fellow old timers. I don't endorse RMK across the board and when I was at IU I lived with four students who were at every practice for four years.

I wasn't thrilled with Woodson as the hire for the same reason. Loved him as a player, liked the idea of an IU guy (if he could be successful) and would agree with you on Howard completely. I've been fully in Woody's camp until these recent games and how he carries himself after the games in the pressers. Like RMK, I'm sure that what makes it's ways to the press isn't what happens behind the scenes.

I've got no problem supporting Woody through the growth pains but the absence of publicly admonishing this bush league play is bad for him and bad for the program. It's one thing to suck, it's another to suck and build a brand on dirty play and getting outhustled. Maybe I'm seeing things but it seems like we're starting to get calls against us because we're becoming that "unlikable" team.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

And Woody Hayes punched a player in a game... You think OSU fans would accept the same output from their football team with Woody's initials on their jersey? Ryan Day is 45-6, you rarely see dirty play by his team, and he's on a warm seat for not beating Michigan.

I taught at OSU and I know the idea of taking Woody Hayes’ initials off the football jerseys would never be tolerated under any circumstances. We shouldn’t tolerate the notion at IU.

Little known fact is that Hayes was never really fired. He didn’t coach the team but he worked at OSU until he died. His office was our conference room. He was also a Navy officer during WWII. He’s revered at OSU.

 

[FormerRevMatt]

I taught at OSU and I know the idea of taking Woody Hayes’ initials off the football jerseys would never be tolerated under any circumstances. We shouldn’t tolerate the notion at IU.

Little known fact is that Hayes was never really fired. He didn’t coach the team but he worked at OSU until he died. His office was our conference room. He was also a Navy officer during WWII. He’s revered at OSU.

Of course he is revered. One emotional act doesn't trump all of the years of what he did for the program and school. He just let frustration get the better of him. OSU needed to publicly save face, but they did the right thing by preserving his legacy and treating Woody with respect behind the scenes, as they should have.

 

[demunn]

I taught at OSU and I know the idea of taking Woody Hayes’ initials off the football jerseys would never be tolerated under any circumstances. We shouldn’t tolerate the notion at IU.

Little known fact is that Hayes was never really fired. He didn’t coach the team but he worked at OSU until he died. His office was our conference room. He was also a Navy officer during WWII. He’s revered at OSU.

Yes, and removing the letters or not, the fans, administration, community would not tolerate this level of play or antics because it's not the OSU way. They don't let coaches "figure it out" at OSU. Woody's situation is compounded by a history of mediority, indifference or naive hope by the university. My kid was an athlete at OSU.

I'll sound old and curmudgeoned but this athletic brand also has a critical impact on the quality of the university academically--especially in today's academic economy. IU is nowhere near where it was academically 30 years ago--probably because of money. Kids don't care about objective academic quality (see SEC schools) but they do want to be where there is a strong brand (winning team). That athletic brand certainly does/can elevate academics (see Notre Dame--it's almost reversed now. Was strong athletically but not academically elite in its peak athletic years). IU still has some strong individual programs but 30 years ago, nearly every discipline was considered top 20. Alabama hasn't drawn kids there because of its awesome academic reputation. I'm just amazed at our "hands loosely on the wheel" approach to managing the asset that is IU basketball.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Of course he is revered. One emotional act doesn't trump all of the years of what he did for the program and school. He just let frustration get the better of him. OSU needed to publicly save face, but they did the right thing by preserving his legacy and treating Woody with respect behind the scenes, as they should have.

RMK should not have been fired at IU. What he did to immediately turn Texas Tech around proved he still had it. I doubt Haston would have left early and I think there was a real chance for another championship, maybe two, and retirement while on top of the mountain. We’ll never know.

 

[CriticArisen]

I was on the Indy Star forum during the last years of the Knight era. I strongly defended him from the Negative Nancies at that time (we didn’t call them that, but I think some of them are members of the NNW&CC now), so I’m well aware of what IU basketball was and who RMK was.

I’m not happy with this year. We must admit that the past two years were an improvement on the previous six. That’s a fact, not an opinion. This year isn’t over, but it’s most likely not going to be so good. This all most likely means Woodson will be our coach next year. That will be make or break.

By the way, I’m on the record here as not being a fan of hiring NBA coaches because most don’t work. Some were praising Michigan’s hiring of Howard. I had the opposite take and said so. However, I’m not a Michigan fan, I’m an IU fan. My coach is Mike Woodson and I’ll hope he succeeds until the day he leaves. And Woodson was a fairly successful head coach, Howard was not a head coach. There was/is reason to have some hope.

You relate a good track record for decisions related to IU’s head coach. The past is always dead-nothing can be done about it. All we can do is learn from the past and plan activities to have some desired outcome in the future. I am honestly interested in what path forward you would suggest IU Administration take with respect to the program. I understand four years is a critical period for you so what minimum objectives would you have for year four and what contingency plan would you have in place?

 

[salient43]

You kind of do get emotional. You get very emotional about people getting emotional on the message board.

Do you see the irony in that? LOL

This is correct.

 

[bbafficionado]

Aloha: Thanks for your service! Also , a little wine with that cheese will help with the whiners!

 

[bbafficionado]

iubhounds: Thanks for your service also!

 

[iubhounds]

iubhounds: Thanks for your service also!

You're welcome.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Aloha: Thanks for your service! Also , a little wine with that cheese will help with the whiners!

Thanks for helping to pay for my retirement payments! I may have a little wine tonight or tomorrow night with dinner. Who doesn't have cheese several times a day?

 

[DANC]

And Woody Hayes punched a player in a game... You think OSU fans would accept the same output from their football team with Woody's initials on their jersey? Ryan Day is 45-6, you rarely see dirty play by his team, and he's on a warm seat for not beating Michigan.

I think they'd let them wear a tribute to Woody, yes, I do.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Whatever. You think this trash play is respectful? Sorry I'm old school but we had to earn the right to protect and display our legacy. This is a joke. I would make them earn it back. Like Knight or not, fact is that he made this program blue bloods with the three extra banners.

You really think they’d give a ****?

 

[demunn]

You really think they’d give a ****?

Probably not because now they can just transfer and they will if your program has no value proposition. Works exactly the same way in business, if your company doesn't have something to offer a high demand employee (salary, culture, status of some type (e.g., Fortune 500), development, great boss, you're gone.

 

[Hoosier_Phenom]

RMK would never have allowed it. He'd have demanded they earn their own stars, not wear someone elses.

Please! These guys wouldn’t be playing for RMK. There’s not 1 of them that plays consistent defense.

 

[gator mcCluskey]

What do you mean? I know you think it is not possible but if we have a good year then Indiana will have to make a decision about extending his contract. You cannot recruit if you a lame duck coach.

That’s why the time to act is now. Like I said, he’s shown us what he is. There’s no coming back from this for Woodson at this point. The dye is cast. We don’t need another situation like with Crean and Archie where we keep a coach around for multiple years after their incompetence has already been confirmed.

 

[CriticArisen]

RMK should not have been fired at IU. What he did to immediately turn Texas Tech around proved he still had it. I doubt Haston would have left early and I think there was a real chance for another championship, maybe two, and retirement while on top of the mountain. We’ll never know.

RMK was 100% a leader and 0% an after the fact I-Told-You-So politician.