we canned Archie, hired Matta, Marshall, Wittman, or even brought Sampson back (all realistic options, maybe even Beard too). Hired Mike Lewis and Dane Fife as lead assistants, this thing would get turned around fast. It's obvious that Archie cannot get it done, they should not wait. Make it clear to Archie he's done, no extension will be offered, negotiate a buyout at seasons end
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Bet he would too, I think its one of our most realistic, maybe the most realistic one since he isn't coaching and would want it and he's a proven winner at this level. Health issues can mess up your career fast when you're held to an expectation of performance and you just don't want to work anymore because of pain, believe me if he's better by now he would be a huge upgrade
It'd kind of be like OSU grabbing Urban Meyer out of unemployment a few years ago, he'd have us back fast
You’re not the first poster I’ve seen mention the prospect of hiring Kelvin Sampson again. I’m not sure anything could rate higher in the pantheon of spectacularly dumb ideas than that one.
I just talked to major alum..
There isn't going to be any movement at least till after next season..
So get aboard..
There isn't going to be any movement at least till after next season..
So get aboard..
You didn’t need to talk to any major alums. It’s been a foregone conclusion since Glass’ retirement announcement that Archie would be back regardless of the results. In fact, Glass signaled as much before the season when he said that it wasn’t a make-or-break season for Archie (which was hardly a ringing endorsement).
The discussions around here, for the most part, have been less about whether or not this was the case and more about whether or not it’s the right decision for the program.
I not only think it’s the wrong decision for the program, I think it’s entirely in keeping with the series of bad decisions that have gotten us where we are as a program.
We need to break the cycle.
Gregg Marshall needs a shot at a power five school. I know he's crazy but he's a winner.
The other name I'm pulling out of my ass without any research (because I haven't even bothered looking at coaches after the Miller hire) and it sounds fan boyish but, it wouldn't offend me is Dane Fife.
After watching the emotion of the past generations of players and with Knight breaking the seal, I'd like to tap into that energy.
Fife is an interesting candidate because he's a ferocious Bob Knight fan and is connected to the past Knight players...but he also appeals to the post Knight generation.
He's been an main assistant under Izzo for a pretty long period of time as an apprentice.
Is extremely personable and entertaining in interviews. I know this is fickle but he has a personality that resonates with the old guard.
Lastly he's a fearless psycho. There are crazy stories about how many fights with many different players who are now close friends. From Jeff Newton to Jeffries to Coverdale.
Anyway I think that kind of fearlessness and expectation would resonate well with us.
So I kindof hope we give him an interview when and if, probably when Archie's time is done here.
The other name I'm pulling out of my ass without any research (because I haven't even bothered looking at coaches after the Miller hire) and it sounds fan boyish but, it wouldn't offend me is Dane Fife.
After watching the emotion of the past generations of players and with Knight breaking the seal, I'd like to tap into that energy.
Fife is an interesting candidate because he's a ferocious Bob Knight fan and is connected to the past Knight players...but he also appeals to the post Knight generation.
He's been an main assistant under Izzo for a pretty long period of time as an apprentice.
Is extremely personable and entertaining in interviews. I know this is fickle but he has a personality that resonates with the old guard.
Lastly he's a fearless psycho. There are crazy stories about how many fights with many different players who are now close friends. From Jeff Newton to Jeffries to Coverdale.
Anyway I think that kind of fearlessness and expectation would resonate well with us.
So I kindof hope we give him an interview when and if, probably when Archie's time is done here.
If IU did that then I would ignore them until the next coach was hired. Don't people have any self respect? Look what that former coach did to our program. In two short years he ruined it. Hiring him back reminds me of an employee I had when I was in the fast food industry. He was from Pike County and had a girlfriend who would get tired of him and throw him out. But after a while she would miss him and call him back. I asked him why he would go back after she treated him that way. He said, "Well, I don't have anyone so I go back". I told him that he needed to have more self respect. She was treating him badly even though he was a decent guy. He didn't run around on her, or hit her.
I have to believe that the chances that IU would hire Kelvin Sampson again aren’t just approaching zero, they are zero.
I think they’d hire Antonio Brown before they hired Kelvin back.
It’s not even worth discussing and bizarre that it’s been mentioned here a couple times.
I’d like to give being an assistant a try. I might get put in jail, but me and boss would have fun seeing who could have a heart attack first.
There is nothing to negotiate for his buyout. It’s in his contract that they will have to pay him his full salary for four more years if he’s fired after this year. Miller would never agree to take less. No one would. Miller will be back next year. It’s a done deal. Why waste so much time whining about something that isn’t going to change?
We’ll see. The house is burning right now. If you can’t turn on the fire hose until after next season, there may not be anything left.
They are zero. Sampson would never be welcomed back at IU.
Completely agree. Allowing Miller to come back next year sets us up for yet another Crean situation. In four years an even average coach given IU's resources should be able to squeak his way into the tournament. So next year Miller does just that. Then what? It's Crean 2.0. The optimistic will say then he's off and running. We've seen his inability to get kids to buy in, and to play hard, and he's hardly set the world on fire on the recruiting front. That won't change. Again, Crean 2.0 with the inept administration just pissing more money away.
So was Tom Crean.
so you’re building a religion based on glass’ off-hand remarks? Weeeeeird.
you want to hire a new coach and then tell him who his assistants will be? Haha. We’ll start calling you The Program Builder then. Good stuff!
Aloha no offense but you write this same message over and over and it simply cannot be true. The administration cannot be this inept. it’s an employment contract to wit I guarantee there are numerous provisions that limit miller’s recovery including a duty to mitigate. He’d get a new gig and there would be offsets. The financial hit wouldn’t be as bad as you paint. What’s more his lousy results likely are having their own negative financial impact. Getting rid of him sooner than later MAY be financially prudent, but at worst it’s not as dim as you fear. Every day he coaches is damaging our brand. Yesterday was bigger than any first few rounds of the NCAA. The entire basketball world watched. Hell Knight was screaming defense. He went into the locker room before the game. Even vitale was disgusted. You could see and hear it on tv. And yet our team yet again had no heart, no energy, no pride, on what was such a prideful day. Time to move on.
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I only know what was reported in the articles I read and linked here. The buyout is 100% of his remaining contract if he’s fired in any of the first four years. It drops to 50% after that. What sane person would even entertain the notion of negotiating that buyout down? The articles do not state that the buyout would be reduced if he’s hired somewhere else. The articles also don’t say if IU would have to pay the entire buyout at once if he’s fired or continue on the current pay schedule. IU will have to be prepared to pay his entire remaining salary one way or the other if they fire him before he completes his fourth year is done. I think the chances they’ll do it are about zero.
Rick Pitino would win a national championship at IU, it’s 6th. After 5 years, he’d retire having won titles at UK UL and IU. IU would be off the Schneid and could then hire another proven coach.
I’m pretty well off the Archie train at this point. But I’ll never be on the Pitino train. Great coach, but (a) his best days are past, and (b) we don’t want to have anything to do with that baggage.
If he didn’t have that baggage, I’d be open to it. But, then, he’d still be at Louisville.
Hard pass. Not the solution.
Would it legal/prudent to 'reassign' CAM to a small back office with no real duties and pay his 3.5m for the 4th year. Then hire a new head coach and move on. Then after the end of year 4, terminate CAM for half price?
A lot of the buyout is contingent on him getting another job I’m sure Archie would get hired, probably by some stupid SEC school
Stupid idea to begin with. The NCAA isn’t even done with Louisville yet. Great chance Pitino could get a pretty substantial show cause.
Read his contract, It is public info. Do you really not know that if he takes another job after being fired it offsets dollar for dollar? That is status quo in coaching contracts. Do you know anything about contracts? If you don’t (clearly) why have you been pumping this buyout contract so heavily?
I hate when people do this. So ignorant.
Wittman would be an interesting choice. Roots to the program's glory days. NBA chops (as both player and coach). Connections and name recognition throughout the area for recruiting. X's and O's couldn't possibly be worse than what you have now with Archie (and he knows everyone in basketball and can draw savvy assistants). You would know he is in his "end job" and wouldn't leave for something better if he gets success.
I guarantee you that the majority of high school kids don't know that Randy Whittman played for Indiana and wouldn't care.
Hell, they wouldn't care that he coached in the NBA either. Just because people grew up watching him play doesn't mean their sons are gonna want to play for him.
I manage three multimillion dollar contracts, so yes I do. I’ve not read his contract (link it), I read the articles about his contract. Everything I’ve said about the buyout is correct per all the reporting.
Also don’t be an arrogant POS.
If we continue to show the utter lack of competitiveness we showed today over these next six games, WTF keep him on? The lackadaisical play is a blinking red indicator that he’s totally lost the team. Watch these upcoming games closely to see if the team is giving up on him.
What sane person wouldn’t negotiate if they know the fan base hates them and he’s not going to be here long term? So technically we owe him around $15M over 4 years, right? Offer him $8M to leave. He could easily find another mid major or lower P5 team to pay him $2M or so a year. That’s $8M over the next 4 years plus the $8M we give him. He’s actually coming out ahead and he gets to start fresh and at a school that actually wants him.
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