Fred Glass Quote

[Coach Pete Bell]

“The expectations for Indiana University basketball are to perennially contend for and win multiple Big Ten championships, regularly go deep into the NCAA tournament, and win our next national championship — and more after that. We will identify and recruit a coach who will help us meet these expectations.”

-Fred Glass
March 17, 2017

 

[fkfootball]

Hes full of ****. And hes incompetent.

 

[IUgradman]

“The expectations for Indiana University basketball are to perennially contend for and win multiple Big Ten championships, regularly go deep into the NCAA tournament, and win our next national championship — and more after that. We will identify and recruit a coach who will help us meet these expectations.”

-Fred Glass
March 17, 2017

He flat out lied to us. What goes on behind the scenes ensures that IU will never meet those expectations. IU won’t do what it takes to win at a high level.

 

[ufo33]

IU Football program is even worse.

 

[goody1986]

He flat out lied to us. What goes on behind the scenes ensures that IU will never meet those expectations. IU won’t do what it takes to win at a high level.

I'm interested to learn more about this. I mean that genuinely and not in a confrontational way - I simply don't know enough. At the time of the Archie hire, there seemed to be consensus outside IU and among the prognosticators that it was a very good hire. It is my perception that the facilities are now as robust as anybody's and the recruiting budget is large. In essence, the perception was of a quality hire and the resources (at surface level) appear to be there.

Given that, what has Fred done wrong in the basketball success equation post-Crean? I read lots of forum posts about Fred screwing up the program behind the scenes, but I have not read any specific ways that he's done this (and I'm just a casual, non-insider fan without insider info - that's why I'm asking). If Archie was generally perceived to be a good hire (you independently might have disagreed, but the overwhelming perception at that time was positive) - what has Fred done in the last 1.5 years to contribute to his lack of success to date?

 

[IUgradman]

I'm interested to learn more about this. I mean that genuinely and not in a confrontational way - I simply don't know enough. At the time of the Archie hire, there seemed to be consensus outside IU and among the prognosticators that it was a very good hire. It is my perception that the facilities are now as robust as anybody's and the recruiting budget is large. In essence, the perception was of a quality hire and the resources (at surface level) appear to be there.

Given that, what has Fred done wrong in the basketball success equation post-Crean? I read lots of forum posts about Fred screwing up the program behind the scenes, but I have not read any specific ways that he's done this (and I'm just a casual, non-insider fan without insider info - that's why I'm asking). If Archie was generally perceived to be a good hire (you independently might have disagreed, but the overwhelming perception at that time was positive) - what has Fred done in the last 1.5 years to contribute to his lack of success to date?

IU at an institutional level refused for years to make needed investments in the program because they thought just being IU was good enough to win. Meanwhile, other schools kept investing and building the culture to create successful basketball programs. IU’s facilities are not anywhere near as good as the blueblood programs. IU makes it much more difficult to admit grad transfers. The athlete housing is way inferior to what you see at the top programs. When Archie asked for something basic like post practice meals he was told no. Unbelievable.

 

[stripetology]

I'm interested to learn more about this. I mean that genuinely and not in a confrontational way - I simply don't know enough. At the time of the Archie hire, there seemed to be consensus outside IU and among the prognosticators that it was a very good hire. It is my perception that the facilities are now as robust as anybody's and the recruiting budget is large. In essence, the perception was of a quality hire and the resources (at surface level) appear to be there.

Given that, what has Fred done wrong in the basketball success equation post-Crean? I read lots of forum posts about Fred screwing up the program behind the scenes, but I have not read any specific ways that he's done this (and I'm just a casual, non-insider fan without insider info - that's why I'm asking). If Archie was generally perceived to be a good hire (you independently might have disagreed, but the overwhelming perception at that time was positive) - what has Fred done in the last 1.5 years to contribute to his lack of success to date?

IU at an institutional level refused for years to make needed investments in the program because they thought just being IU was good enough to win. Meanwhile, other schools kept investing and building the culture to create successful basketball programs. IU’s facilities are not anywhere near as good as the blueblood programs. IU makes it much more difficult to admit grad transfers. The athlete housing is way inferior to what you see at the top programs. When Archie asked for something basic like post practice meals he was told no. Unbelievable.

Did they even think that level good enough to win. Including Brand and since, the goal was to make IU known as an academic 1st institution w/ no program or coach bigger than university. Definite and arrogant towards anything from knight years. Add in pc optics in hiring to taking multi mllions in athletic tv money to bill of rights down to finite math classes to the long list you mentioned as well. It’s not a cooperative arrangement. They didn’t understand or appreciate the equity of the fan base. They still don’t. That equity is running out, IMO. People aren’t mad at CAM, CTA or players. They’re letting out 20 years of frustration. I just don’t think they get that in the least

 

[goody1986]

IU at an institutional level refused for years to make needed investments in the program because they thought just being IU was good enough to win. Meanwhile, other schools kept investing and building the culture to create successful basketball programs. IU’s facilities are not anywhere near as good as the blueblood programs. IU makes it much more difficult to admit grad transfers. The athlete housing is way inferior to what you see at the top programs. When Archie asked for something basic like post practice meals he was told no. Unbelievable.

That is all helpful, thank you for lifting those things up to me. They were not things that I had heard about before. However, those points give me more questions. I believe Fred has been AD for about 10 years, and in that 10 years, Assembly Hall has received a major renovation, the basketball practice facility was built, the Cuban Center was stood up, and last year the lorckerrooms were updated. Just guesstimating, but if my budget memory is correct on those projects, about $55-60M has been put into basketball facilities in the last decade. That seems like a lot put into basketball during that time period to me. Is it just that those renovations were done but not in a way that stands up well to blue blood programs? Or is it that we were so far behind prior to Fred that he's had an incredible amount of ground to make up to even get up to average? Also, does Fred have any influence over admission of grad transfers, or is that wholly the purview of the academic programs? Lastly, IU is on a mission to renovate every dorm room on campus by X date (soon); it was my understanding that institutions were not allowed to build athlete-specific housing. 1) Is my understanding wrong? and 2) What is Fred's role in that regardless? In general, my deeper question to all of those things is what did Fred have control of, and did he exercise that control well?

Lastly, if accurate, declining the after practice meal request seems absurd to me. If true, that seems like a very fair decision to criticize.

 

[goody1986]

Did they even think that level good enough to win. Including Brand and since, the goal was to make IU known as an academic 1st institution w/ no program or coach bigger than university. Definite and arrogant towards anything from knight years. Add in pc optics in hiring to bill of rights down to finite math classes to the long list you mentioned as well. It’s not a cooperative arrangement. They didn’t understand or appreciate the equity of the fan base. They still don’t. That equity is running out, IMO. People aren’t mad at CAM, CTA or players. They’re letting out 20 years of frustration. I just don’t think they get that in the least

From your post, it seems like Fred is being hammered for some things unrelated to Fred and some things that are related to Fred; any time someone harkens back to brand or Knight and then wants to pummel Fred, you've got to pause and consider what he's responsible for and what he can/should do to fix what is within his realm of authority.

Finite math classes at IU, for example, are no different than entry level math at nearly every major research university - and those classes have about a 50% failure rate nationally. IU is not out of step with those classes; IU may be out of step with supporting student athletes through those classes or in bringing in an academic caliber of athlete that doesn't cut it, but that class really meets the national standard for general education requirements. I believe the issue with the Student Athlete Bill of Rights that I've red is mostly about one portion of the bill, the 4-year scholarship commitment. That seems like a fair thing to discuss the pros and cons of, and that was Fred's baby. It's also certainly possible that Fred meddles or mismanages the program in some way - and that's the general tone of the comments I read - I just still haven't seem particularly convincing examples of that - but CTA alluded to it and fans here seem to suggest that it's the same with Archie.

I would disagree that people aren't mad at CAM, CTA, or the players - I think they're mad at all of those folks and everything; I think many are like me and want a winning program again and are frustrated that we're not there yet - when that happens, fans tend to burn down the whole neighborhood indiscriminately.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

Ease up on ‘Glass-half-full’. Without him we don’t have the tallest flag pole in the Big Ten.

 

[stripetology]

Did they even think that level good enough to win. Including Brand and since, the goal was to make IU known as an academic 1st institution w/ no program or coach bigger than university. Definite and arrogant towards anything from knight years. Add in pc optics in hiring to bill of rights down to finite math classes to the long list you mentioned as well. It’s not a cooperative arrangement. They didn’t understand or appreciate the equity of the fan base. They still don’t. That equity is running out, IMO. People aren’t mad at CAM, CTA or players. They’re letting out 20 years of frustration. I just don’t think they get that in the least

From your post, it seems like Fred is being hammered for some things unrelated to Fred and some things that are related to Fred; any time someone harkens back to brand or Knight and then wants to pummel Fred, you've got to pause and consider what he's responsible for and what he can/should do to fix what is within his realm of authority.

Finite math classes at IU, for example, are no different than entry level math at nearly every major research university - and those classes have about a 50% failure rate nationally. IU is not out of step with those classes; IU may be out of step with supporting student athletes through those classes or in bringing in an academic caliber of athlete that doesn't cut it, but that class really meets the national standard for general education requirements. I believe the issue with the Student Athlete Bill of Rights that I've red is mostly about one portion of the bill, the 4-year scholarship commitment. That seems like a fair thing to discuss the pros and cons of, and that was Fred's baby. It's also certainly possible that Fred meddles or mismanages the program in some way - and that's the general tone of the comments I read - I just still haven't seem particularly convincing examples of that - but CTA alluded to it and fans here seem to suggest that it's the same with Archie.

I would disagree that people aren't mad at CAM, CTA, or the players - I think they're mad at all of those folks and everything; I think many are like me and want a winning program again and are frustrated that we're not there yet - when that happens, fans tend to burn down the whole neighborhood indiscriminately.

We’re really on the same page. It’s not just one thing, cultural is built upon the sum of the actions so it not just a math class or the most recent ad actions. It’s built up over time. And yes, certainly people are rightfully mad now at coaches/players. I fear future years won’t get to the level expected because the foundation has changed. No one wants to be more wrong than me but we’re up to 4+ rebuilds in each sport during time frame.

 

[Matman81]

We’re really on the same page. It’s not just one thing, cultural is built upon the sum of the actions so it not just a math class or the most recent ad actions. It’s built up over time. And yes, certainly people are rightfully mad now at coaches/players. I fear future years won’t get to the level expected because the foundation has changed. No one wants to be more wrong than me but where up to 4+ rebuilds in each sport during time frame.

I've said it before...it should not take 19 years to re-built a traditionally solid program. Everything goes back to culture and perception. What we need is a president and AD that understand what the tradition is and how important it is to the state and the university itself. Successful Football and basketball programs allow a university to expand and grow in other areas.

 

[stripetology]

We’re really on the same page. It’s not just one thing, cultural is built upon the sum of the actions so it not just a math class or the most recent ad actions. It’s built up over time. And yes, certainly people are rightfully mad now at coaches/players. I fear future years won’t get to the level expected because the foundation has changed. No one wants to be more wrong than me but where up to 4+ rebuilds in each sport during time frame.

I've said it before...it should not take 19 years to re-built a traditionally solid program. Everything goes back to culture and perception. What we need is a president and AD that understand what the tradition is and how important it is to the state and the university itself. Successful Football and basketball programs allow a university to expand and grow in other areas.

Notice how “a lot of people have said it before?” It’s because so many do actually get it. So agree with you.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

That is all helpful, thank you for lifting those things up to me. They were not things that I had heard about before. However, those points give me more questions. I believe Fred has been AD for about 10 years, and in that 10 years, Assembly Hall has received a major renovation, the basketball practice facility was built, the Cuban Center was stood up, and last year the lorckerrooms were updated. Just guesstimating, but if my budget memory is correct on those projects, about $55-60M has been put into basketball facilities in the last decade. That seems like a lot put into basketball during that time period to me. Is it just that those renovations were done but not in a way that stands up well to blue blood programs? Or is it that we were so far behind prior to Fred that he's had an incredible amount of ground to make up to even get up to average? Also, does Fred have any influence over admission of grad transfers, or is that wholly the purview of the academic programs? Lastly, IU is on a mission to renovate every dorm room on campus by X date (soon); it was my understanding that institutions were not allowed to build athlete-specific housing. 1) Is my understanding wrong? and 2) What is Fred's role in that regardless? In general, my deeper question to all of those things is what did Fred have control of, and did he exercise that control well?

Lastly, if accurate, declining the after practice meal request seems absurd to me. If true, that seems like a very fair decision to criticize.

The meal story is not being told accurately. Meals are available.

 

[victorbear]

This is what we are up against.............

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/c...asketball-photos-videos/article104314006.html

 

[victorbear]

President Mcrobbtheathletic Department probably doesn't think such a dorm is necessary for athletes!!! idiot

 

[bailey777]

“The expectations for Indiana University basketball are to perennially contend for and win multiple Big Ten championships, regularly go deep into the NCAA tournament, and win our next national championship — and more after that. We will identify and recruit a coach who will help us meet these expectations.”

-Fred Glass
March 17, 2017

Said the same thing with crean. He is a proven liar who is full of hot air.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

That is all helpful, thank you for lifting those things up to me. They were not things that I had heard about before. However, those points give me more questions. I believe Fred has been AD for about 10 years, and in that 10 years, Assembly Hall has received a major renovation, the basketball practice facility was built, the Cuban Center was stood up, and last year the lorckerrooms were updated. Just guesstimating, but if my budget memory is correct on those projects, about $55-60M has been put into basketball facilities in the last decade. That seems like a lot put into basketball during that time period to me. Is it just that those renovations were done but not in a way that stands up well to blue blood programs? Or is it that we were so far behind prior to Fred that he's had an incredible amount of ground to make up to even get up to average? Also, does Fred have any influence over admission of grad transfers, or is that wholly the purview of the academic programs? Lastly, IU is on a mission to renovate every dorm room on campus by X date (soon); it was my understanding that institutions were not allowed to build athlete-specific housing. 1) Is my understanding wrong? and 2) What is Fred's role in that regardless? In general, my deeper question to all of those things is what did Fred have control of, and did he exercise that control well?

Lastly, if accurate, declining the after practice meal request seems absurd to me. If true, that seems like a very fair decision to criticize.

IUs basketball facilities are excellent with the added benefit of playing in an iconic facility that is one of the most recognizable buildings in all of athletics. There are some bad seats in there in the upper corners and way up under the balcony but nowhere near the number some people say. Players and coaches like the place and the vast majority of attendees do as well.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

From your post, it seems like Fred is being hammered for some things unrelated to Fred and some things that are related to Fred; any time someone harkens back to brand or Knight and then wants to pummel Fred, you've got to pause and consider what he's responsible for and what he can/should do to fix what is within his realm of authority.

Finite math classes at IU, for example, are no different than entry level math at nearly every major research university - and those classes have about a 50% failure rate nationally. IU is not out of step with those classes; IU may be out of step with supporting student athletes through those classes or in bringing in an academic caliber of athlete that doesn't cut it, but that class really meets the national standard for general education requirements. I believe the issue with the Student Athlete Bill of Rights that I've red is mostly about one portion of the bill, the 4-year scholarship commitment. That seems like a fair thing to discuss the pros and cons of, and that was Fred's baby. It's also certainly possible that Fred meddles or mismanages the program in some way - and that's the general tone of the comments I read - I just still haven't seem particularly convincing examples of that - but CTA alluded to it and fans here seem to suggest that it's the same with Archie.

I would disagree that people aren't mad at CAM, CTA, or the players - I think they're mad at all of those folks and everything; I think many are like me and want a winning program again and are frustrated that we're not there yet - when that happens, fans tend to burn down the whole neighborhood indiscriminately.

Fred has made some good hires in the NR sports, for sure. Look at S& D, baseball, softball, volleyball et al...

Fred's hiring of Archie sure looked good at the time. I can't really fault him there.Probably the best he could have done, given that he kept Crean too long.

I think Fred screwed football up by hiring Kevin Wilson, when there were lots of red flags about the guy.

Fred screwed up big-time with the Crean extension.....was done way too early when there were still plenty of doubts as to whether Crean could actually coach.

Keeping Crean too long has screwed up Archie, because Crean screwed up the roster before he was fired. It's too early to tell, but Fred might have finally put IU basketball out of it's misery. He may have regulated us to 2nd half status permanently.

And Fred may have left a land mine out there for Archie with his 'Bill of Rights' bs. All very noble, but being the first to jump on board that train may backfire. Have other programs followed suit?

 

[IUgradman]

Fred has made some good hires in the NR sports, for sure. Look at S& D, baseball, softball, volleyball et al...

Fred's hiring of Archie sure looked good at the time. I can't really fault him there.Probably the best he could have done, given that he kept Crean too long.

I think Fred screwed football up by hiring Kevin Wilson, when there were lots of red flags about the guy.

Fred screwed up big-time with the Crean extension.....was done way too early when there were still plenty of doubts as to whether Crean could actually coach.

Keeping Crean too long has screwed up Archie, because Crean screwed up the roster before he was fired. It's too early to tell, but Fred might have finally put IU basketball out of it's misery. He may have regulated us to 2nd half status permanently.

And Fred may have left a land mine out there for Archie with his 'Bill of Rights' bs. All very noble, but being the first to jump on board that train may backfire. Have other programs followed suit?

Don’t forget hiring Tom Allen without conducting any search at all. Brohm was interested in the job.

 

[IUgradman]

The meal story is not being told accurately. Meals are available.

Yeah, after initially saying no they finally relented. Why the hell did they say no to something as basic as post practice meals? Unbelievable.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

Fred has made some good hires in the NR sports, for sure. Look at S& D, baseball, softball, volleyball et al...

Fred's hiring of Archie sure looked good at the time. I can't really fault him there.Probably the best he could have done, given that he kept Crean too long.

I think Fred screwed football up by hiring Kevin Wilson, when there were lots of red flags about the guy.

Fred screwed up big-time with the Crean extension.....was done way too early when there were still plenty of doubts as to whether Crean could actually coach.

Keeping Crean too long has screwed up Archie, because Crean screwed up the roster before he was fired. It's too early to tell, but Fred might have finally put IU basketball out of it's misery. He may have regulated us to 2nd half status permanently.

And Fred may have left a land mine out there for Archie with his 'Bill of Rights' bs. All very noble, but being the first to jump on board that train may backfire. Have other programs followed suit?

The bill of rights can always be revoked. It can be done quietly and without fanfare, grandfathered to those to whom it applies.

 

[bailey777]

Fred has made some good hires in the NR sports, for sure. Look at S& D, baseball, softball, volleyball et al...

Fred's hiring of Archie sure looked good at the time. I can't really fault him there.Probably the best he could have done, given that he kept Crean too long.

I think Fred screwed football up by hiring Kevin Wilson, when there were lots of red flags about the guy.

Fred screwed up big-time with the Crean extension.....was done way too early when there were still plenty of doubts as to whether Crean could actually coach.

Keeping Crean too long has screwed up Archie, because Crean screwed up the roster before he was fired. It's too early to tell, but Fred might have finally put IU basketball out of it's misery. He may have regulated us to 2nd half status permanently.

And Fred may have left a land mine out there for Archie with his 'Bill of Rights' bs. All very noble, but being the first to jump on board that train may backfire. Have other programs followed suit?

If archies fails i do think we will be a permament average big ten team at best year in an out. Thats would be freds swan song.

 

[TR32]

I've said it before...it should not take 19 years to re-built a traditionally solid program. Everything goes back to culture and perception. What we need is a president and AD that understand what the tradition is and how important it is to the state and the university itself. Successful Football and basketball programs allow a university to expand and grow in other areas.

Two things:

1.) It isn't "culture" or "tradition", it is that IU hasn't had a coach as good as Knight. Simple as that.

2.) Forget about football. Indiana has always been bad.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Yeah, after initially saying no they finally relented. Why the hell did they say no to something as basic as post practice meals? Unbelievable.

No, the training buffets were already there.

 

[fkfootball]

No matter how bad your program is, you are always 1 coach away.