I grew up a Hoosier... I tell these dumbasses down here all the time that we kicked their asses in the 1860's...
Fort Bragg no more!
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When visiting Fort Bragg, make sure to stay at the luxurious...
Well Played Pete :
Retains the name of a base synonymous with warriors whose exploits have far transcended the background of its original namesake...
Every military man on the planet knows what "Bragg" is all about and it has nothing to do with Civil War history...
Retains the name of a base synonymous with warriors whose exploits have far transcended the background of its original namesake...
Every military man on the planet knows what "Bragg" is all about and it has nothing to do with Civil War history...
You'd best read my linked article...
You're reaction is completely off base... (I'm trying to be polite)...
Just tell them we're renaming it for Micheal Jordan who was on campus for the Olympic tryouts and we're good to go...
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Here's the article explaining "Bragg" getting its name back (Again) :
Read it slowly and completely and you'll avoid confusion...
Read it slowly and completely and you'll avoid confusion...
That is much better, think they will use the first name? They want the Bragg association.
Do you think those that wanted the old name back wanted this or the original namesake? I think it's a good move, except that changing the names of bases isn't cheap. This will probably cost a million bucks, give or take. A million bucks in terms of our budget is next to nothing, but a million here and a million there and it adds up to real money.
Sigh...
If you had actually bothered to read the original post with the link I explained that clearly too..
Gotta tell you that those in the military who've cycled thru "Bragg" from 1920 thru to yesterday don't give a wit about your parties weak attempt at virtue signaling and you can be certain that 99.999% of them think of the name "Bragg" in way completely unrelated to any civil war general...
For the military (primarily Army [but plenty of others have trained there]) "Bragg" is more a term synonymous with Sacrifice rather than anything related to a person...
Do you think those that wanted the old name back wanted this or the original namesake? I think it's a good move, except that changing the names of bases isn't cheap. This will probably cost a million bucks, give or take. A million bucks in terms of our budget is next to nothing, but a million here and a million there and it adds up to real money.
I think they're happy to A) have the name/term "Bragg" re-associated with the military facility named that since 1918, and B) are happy to cut any association with the Confederate general...
I asked my father, a Marine Officer, back when I was a kid why they named all those bases in the south after guys who lost and he said that that was a political move to get funding from the local Congressmen and Senators...(back when they established the posts).,. He said that although he and others didn't approve of it the topic was never discussed to avoid the offending the many southerners in the ranks... ((This conversation would have taken place around 1959))
The word "Bragg" elicits an almost visceral reaction from those who've served there...(I've known several). I'd suggest we defer to them on the topic...
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Bragg was created in WW1, that is when there became a spree of Confederate monuments being built. The belief, accurate IMHO, is that they were being built more to honor Jim Crow than the Confederacy. Best case, Helena, MT has one (as does almost every state). How many men in 1860 grabbed their gear in Helena and marched to the South to enlist? Helena has no monument to Union soldiers but one to a territorial governor who served in the Union army. So there is a reason to believe that confederate naming served some other purpose.
We have closed a lot of bases since the end of the Cold War, I am sure members of some of the units in those bases believed their memories were being destroyed. Fort Hood was renamed, I am sure people who were serving out of Hood hated that it was renamed. After WW2 we closed Taccoa, I am sure the 506th men weren't happy and that was a camp associated with excellence.
Bragg was a terrible Civil War General, I guess that's why they claim it was named for his Mexican-American War self. I've heard the story it was named to build local support for the base, it seems like everyone would want a huge base as that brings in big money to a local economy.
One of the books on Korea discusses how America discarded regimental names. In the UK, something like Coldstream Guards goes on forever once they have proven themselves. It is a tradition in the UK for a regiment to send a thank you to another country's unit that helped them out in a war on the anniversary. The author noted that every year messages are sent to the US to thank regiments that no longer exist because when we downsized we didn't look at unit names that we wanted to keep for the history.
I am not sure why Bragg has to be different. But if we are going to have a Bragg, at least have it for one who didn't betray his country and did it poorly. At least with a Lee, or Jackson, I could understand as they were good generals. But Bragg always has bothered me for both reason, he fought against the US and wasn't very good at it.
Which is exactly what they just did ((having a Bragg that didn't bretray his country)).
Read the damn article:
Have you suddenly lost your reading comprehension skills?????
I said it was better. What more do you want. I just added they made sure to keep Bragg and I think they wanted that for more than one reason.
Note the mayor in your article saying Gold Star families were on the renaming commission. It isn't like they blew off input from the Bragg constituency.
I know what Bragg means to a lot of people. I know several that have served there. I also know the tone of the debate over changing the names of the posts and bases from honoring Confederate Generals to something else was also about honoring the Confederate Generals, because it's "history."
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