feeling of dread creeping in

[coachv jr]

i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking this way so i'm just going to say it. every time i think indiana basketball can't possibly sink any lower, they deliver another gut wrenching blow.

our last several years under knight and early ncaa exits. the fiasco that was his firing. davis giving us a glimmer of hope only to be blown out against maryland in the final (i bought the two worst seats in the house for $100 in the parking lot before the game. couldn't even see the whole floor).

kelvin sampson coming in and immediately winning in a big way while we collectively held our breath waiting for the implosion. it came in spades and left us without a single player on our roster.

crean putting together an exciting team finally and a #1 ranking. syracuse.

ft. wayne and indiana st. and i find that i'm not wearing my indiana sweatshirt in public as much. more hope this season with a strong start. 12 of 13. ohio st.

i fully expect st. francis to come into the hall and give me a kick in the balls to last the next 8 months.

 

[iu2win]

Wow, Coachv it seems we are on the same page this morning (see my post in the Romeo injured thread). This season is disappointing in so many ways to the point an upset by St. Francis in the "Carnegie hall of basketball" tonight would likely surprise very few IU fans at this point. The reaction of the St. Francis team walking into Assembly Hall was refreshing. Not that playing in Assembly should automatically make IU a better team but AH certainly has been a huge advantage in years past and this year . . . not so much.

 

[SWINDIANAIUFAN]

i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking this way so i'm just going to say it. every time i think indiana basketball can't possibly sink any lower, they deliver another gut wrenching blow.

our last several years under knight and early ncaa exits. the fiasco that was his firing. davis giving us a glimmer of hope only to be blown out against maryland in the final (i bought the two worst seats in the house for $100 in the parking lot before the game. couldn't even see the whole floor).

kelvin sampson coming in and immediately winning in a big way while we collectively held our breath waiting for the implosion. it came in spades and left us without a single player on our roster.

crean putting together an exciting team finally and a #1 ranking. syracuse.

ft. wayne and indiana st. and i find that i'm not wearing my indiana sweatshirt in public as much. more hope this season with a strong start. 12 of 13. ohio st.

i fully expect st. francis to come into the hall and give me a kick in the balls to last the next 8 months.

Not going to happen. I fully expect IU to come out and play very well in the NIT. Won't be surprised they make it to New York.

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Wow, Coachv it seems we are on the same page this morning (see my post in the Romeo injured thread). This season is disappointing in so many ways to the point an upset by St. Francis in the "Carnegie hall of basketball" tonight would likely surprise very few IU fans at this point. The reaction of the St. Francis team walking into Assembly Hall was refreshing. Not that playing in Assembly should automatically make IU a better team but AH certainly has been a huge advantage in years past and this year . . . not so much.

Oh please, Ass Hall is a colossal sh*thole

 

[Knewthiswascoming]

i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking this way so i'm just going to say it. every time i think indiana basketball can't possibly sink any lower, they deliver another gut wrenching blow.

our last several years under knight and early ncaa exits. the fiasco that was his firing. davis giving us a glimmer of hope only to be blown out against maryland in the final (i bought the two worst seats in the house for $100 in the parking lot before the game. couldn't even see the whole floor).

kelvin sampson coming in and immediately winning in a big way while we collectively held our breath waiting for the implosion. it came in spades and left us without a single player on our roster.

crean putting together an exciting team finally and a #1 ranking. syracuse.

ft. wayne and indiana st. and i find that i'm not wearing my indiana sweatshirt in public as much. more hope this season with a strong start. 12 of 13. ohio st.

i fully expect st. francis to come into the hall and give me a kick in the balls to last the next 8 months.

“Dread” could easily and accurately be replaced with “acceptance”.

 

[TommyCracker]

The only good thing about the end of basketball seasons is...summer is coming.

It's time to start hitting the batting cages and driving ranges.

 

[iubud]

i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking this way so i'm just going to say it. every time i think indiana basketball can't possibly sink any lower, they deliver another gut wrenching blow.

our last several years under knight and early ncaa exits. the fiasco that was his firing. davis giving us a glimmer of hope only to be blown out against maryland in the final (i bought the two worst seats in the house for $100 in the parking lot before the game. couldn't even see the whole floor).

kelvin sampson coming in and immediately winning in a big way while we collectively held our breath waiting for the implosion. it came in spades and left us without a single player on our roster.

crean putting together an exciting team finally and a #1 ranking. syracuse.

ft. wayne and indiana st. and i find that i'm not wearing my indiana sweatshirt in public as much. more hope this season with a strong start. 12 of 13. ohio st.

i fully expect st. francis to come into the hall and give me a kick in the balls to last the next 8 months.

Don't watch the game then and get back on your medication before our next game.

The program needs to grow up and add two more quality recruiting classes.

 

[chaboom]

There's really nothing left to ponder about this team - I think we've seen it all at this point. I'm predicting we could win by 40 or lose by 20 tonight.

 

[coachv jr]

Wow, Coachv it seems we are on the same page this morning (see my post in the Romeo injured thread). This season is disappointing in so many ways to the point an upset by St. Francis in the "Carnegie hall of basketball" tonight would likely surprise very few IU fans at this point. The reaction of the St. Francis team walking into Assembly Hall was refreshing. Not that playing in Assembly should automatically make IU a better team but AH certainly has been a huge advantage in years past and this year . . . not so much.

i saw that clip. you can here one of the kids whispering "wow". right out of the movie "hoosiers". this game will be the pinnacle of their basketball life. the game will mean a lot more to them than indiana. half of the indiana players look like they are ready for the season to be over. is that enough for st. francis to overcome our superior size and strength? probably not. and yet...

 

[coachv jr]

Don't watch the game then and get back on your medication before our next game.

The program needs to grow up and add two more quality recruiting classes.

go away

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking this way so i'm just going to say it. every time i think indiana basketball can't possibly sink any lower, they deliver another gut wrenching blow.

our last several years under knight and early ncaa exits. the fiasco that was his firing. davis giving us a glimmer of hope only to be blown out against maryland in the final (i bought the two worst seats in the house for $100 in the parking lot before the game. couldn't even see the whole floor).

kelvin sampson coming in and immediately winning in a big way while we collectively held our breath waiting for the implosion. it came in spades and left us without a single player on our roster.

crean putting together an exciting team finally and a #1 ranking. syracuse.

ft. wayne and indiana st. and i find that i'm not wearing my indiana sweatshirt in public as much. more hope this season with a strong start. 12 of 13. ohio st.

i fully expect st. francis to come into the hall and give me a kick in the balls to last the next 8 months.

You're not the only one thinking this way. But, for me, it goes way beyond any one game.

I don't think we'll lose to St. Francis, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we did. And the fact that I can say that and mean it is indicative of the just how far we've fallen as a program.

I've basically given up hope that we'll ever be anything like what we once were. I'm still just as supportive as I've always been and always will be. And it would certainly be great if Archie & Co. make me eat my words.

But I'm just tired of getting my hopes up...only to be let down. It's been an emotionally exhausting 20ish years.

 

[victorbear]

You're not the only one thinking this way. But, for me, it goes way beyond any one game.

I don't think we'll lose to St. Francis, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we did. And the fact that I can say that and mean it is indicative of the just how far we've fallen as a program.

I've basically given up hope that we'll ever be anything like what we once were. I'm still just as supportive as I've always been and always will be. And it would certainly be great if Archie & Co. make me eat my words.

But I'm just tired of getting my hopes up...only to be let down. It's been an emotionally exhausting 20ish years.

Hoping we will be going to final fours anytime soon is just not realistic. Be honest would Indiana fans truly be ecstatic with Tony Bennetts results at Virginia. Losing as a #1 seed to a #16 seed, not going to the final four by now, but that's most likely the ceiling for Archie. Just saying.

 

[iubud]

go away

Hate to disappoint you, I'm not going anywhere.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Don't watch the game then and get back on your medication before our next game.

The program needs to grow up and add two more quality recruiting classes.

He's making a supportable and justifiable criticism of the program as it exists at this moment in time....and your response is to just insult him with an ad hominem?

I mean, you're certainly free to disagree. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, after all. But just because somebody holds and expresses a different opinion than yours is no reason to get nasty. After all, I think we can all agree that we want to see the team succeed.

You may well end up being right that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. But don't forget that we've been in the tunnel for decades -- not years....decades. With an s. Yeah, we've had the odd good season here and there in that span. But we've only been to the Sweet 16 all of 3 times since 2002 -- none beyond that. And we've now missed the tourney 3 seasons in a row (2 with the current coaching staff) and there's reason to fear that we'll do so again next year.

Given that, and given that our team badly underachieved this year (sorry, but that's not debatable) warrants both complaints and pessimism, I think. You don't have to agree with that, of course. But you don't need to tell people who do that they need to "take their medication" or whatever. That's bush league, and beneath you.

 

[hurryin76hoosier]

Hoping we will be going to final fours anytime soon is just not realistic. Be honest would Indiana fans truly be ecstatic with Tony Bennetts results at Virginia. Losing as a #1 seed to a #16 seed, not going to the final four by now, but that's most likely the ceiling for Archie. Just saying.

You pine for Steve Alford and the complain about Tony Bennett winning the ACC 4 of 6 years and winning 29 or more games in 5 of the last 6 seasons. You are special.

 

[CC Mac]

Oh please, Ass Hall is a colossal sh*thole

Lol,does your mom know you skipped school today? I guess since Porkchop told you to stop chanting IU sucks you feel the need to vent on a message board.
Let it out big guy.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Hoping we will be going to final fours anytime soon is just not realistic. Be honest would Indiana fans truly be ecstatic with Tony Bennetts results at Virginia. Losing as a #1 seed to a #16 seed, not going to the final four by now, but that's most likely the ceiling for Archie. Just saying.

I'm not ready to be calling Archie's "ceiling." I don't think anybody really could be. He's a young coach and he's two years into his first P5 job. Yes, they've been two pretty lackluster years -- with this one clearly being a big miss (I think last year's bad season was far more predictable and acceptable). But, still....every coach deserves more chance than that.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm not *expecting* Final Fours. What I'm expecting are teams with the realistic potential to get there. You have to have that first. But sometimes even genuinely great teams come up short.

It's kinda like what RMK always used to say about a team giving themselves a chance to win the game. Of course you want to win games. But you have to give yourself a chance to do that first.

 

[victorbear]

You pine for Steve Alford and the complain about Tony Bennett winning the ACC 4 of 6 years and winning 29 or more games in 5 of the last 6 seasons. You are special.

i"m not complaining I'm saying our fan base would complain just like UCLA's fan base complained about a 31-5 season 2 years ago.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

Oh please, Ass Hall is a colossal sh*thole

That is some serious weak sauce. If that is the best you have, then you have just won the award for the worst troll ever. Step it up or GTFO!

 

[victorbear]

I'm not ready to be calling Archie's "ceiling." I don't think anybody really could be. He's a young coach and he's two years into his first P5 job. Yes, they've been two pretty lackluster years -- with this one clearly being a big miss (I think last year's bad season was far more predictable and acceptable). But, still....every coach deserves more chance than that.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm not *expecting* Final Fours. What I'm expecting are teams with the realistic potential to get there. You have to have that first. But sometimes even genuinely great teams come up short.

It's kinda like what RMK always used to say about a team giving themselves a chance to win the game. Of course you want to win games. But you have to give yourself a chance to do that first.

There's nothing wrong with having a Tony Bennett ceiling for ARchie. See you are kind of saying that that wouldn't be enough for you. I'm saying ARchies ceiling may be similar to Tony Bennett and you are ripping on me by saying I'm not giving ARchie a chance.

 

[BaxterIU]

Creeping in?
Creeping like a run away freight train over the last 20 years.

 

[victorbear]

I think we wil find that ARchie's ceiling ends up being very similar to Alfords at UCLA.............is that enough by say year 6.

 

[fpeaugh]

I just hate being in these periods where we know we don’t have the right coach but we have to endure them anyway.

We knew Crean wasn’t right after 5-6 years (at the latest) and we now know Archie isn’t the guy. Putting off the inevitable sucks all the energy out of the fan base.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

There's nothing wrong with having a Tony Bennett ceiling for ARchie. See you are kind of saying that that wouldn't be enough for you. I'm saying ARchies ceiling may be similar to Tony Bennett and you are ripping on me by saying I'm not giving ARchie a chance.

First, I'm not even ripping on you. I'm saying that it's way too early to be saying what Archie's ceiling is. And I say that as somebody who -- while I have not called for his head -- hasn't exactly been one of his staunchest defenders. I think he laid an egg this year, big time. And I also think he should be given just one more year to prove he belongs here. The guy is being paid WAY too much money to be posting .500 seasons.

I just want us to have a genuinely competitive program with a culture of excellence. If we do that, the wins and championships will come as a natural byproduct. If we don't, they won't.

 

[victorbear]

I just hate being in these periods where we know we don’t have the right coach but we have to endure them anyway.

We knew Crean wasn’t right after 5-6 years (at the latest) and we now know Archie isn’t the guy. Putting off the inevitable sucks all the energy out of the fan base.

Archie is a good coach but like Brian Snow said in the podcast will his results be enough to satisfy Indiana fans, especially if by year 5-7 there is no final four trip....................I think it will be tough.

 

[fpeaugh]

Archie is a good coach but like Brian Snow said in the podcast will his results be enough to satisfy Indiana fans, especially if by year 5-7 there is no final four trip....................I think it will be tough.

Final Fours??!! He may never even make the tournament. I can assure you this won’t last past 5 years. That’s the absolute max.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

we now know Archie isn’t the guy.

Who's "we"? You have a mouse in your pocket? Don't ever purport to speak for anybody else (let alone everybody else).

I certainly agree that Crean got more years than he should have -- but that almost certainly had a lot to do with money. And I doubt we ever could've signed him without a generous and patient contract, given the situation at the time.

Archie isn't going anywhere right now....nor should he. But he very much should be feeling the pressure to do better than he's thus far done. And I'm sure he is.

 

[fpeaugh]

Who's "we"? You have a mouse in your pocket? Don't ever purport to speak for anybody else (let alone everybody else).

I certainly agree that Crean got more years than he should have -- but that almost certainly had a lot to do with money. And I doubt we ever could've signed him without a generous and patient contract, given the situation at the time.

Archie isn't going anywhere right now....nor should he. But he very much should be feeling the pressure to do better than he's thus far done. And I'm sure he is.

I think most, if not all, reasonable fans now understand he’s not the right guy. That’s not the question anymore. The question is how long do we let it go and who do we get to replace him. That’s what’s being discussed now.

And the Crean $ issue wasn’t from when he was originally signed. It was the needless extension and buyout Glass gave him for literally no reason. You’re getting the facts confused and twisted.

 

[All4You]

I just hate

We know. No truer words...It perfectly sums up the 6521 posts you have made to date. If you could only go back to Sep 19, 2001, make those 3 words your first and only post, then just drifted away it would've saved us all the time and trouble.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Final Fours??!! He may never even make the tournament. I can assure you this won’t last past 5 years. That’s the absolute max.

With clowns like Surfboard and Shoulders in charge he could easily get a lot more than that.

 

[T.M.P.]

He's making a supportable and justifiable criticism of the program as it exists at this moment in time

Actually he's not. Though I appreciate his posts and thoughts generally, this one is more about how he feels as a fan than a critique of the team. Many people confuse the two as being the same but it's not. This thread is about how fans feel .. emotional displays, feelings of despair, feelings of wasted time, very little thoughts about basketball or the team.

 

[hondo314]

I think most, if not all, reasonable fans now understand he’s not the right guy. That’s not the question anymore. The question is how long do we let it go and who do we get to replace him. That’s what’s being discussed now.

And the Crean $ issue wasn’t from when he was originally signed. It was the needless extension and buyout Glass gave him for literally no reason. You’re getting the facts confused and twisted.

i'll leave this here for you too, ya big old dumbshit. lol and love again how you pretend to by privy to real high-level talks. hahahahahahahahahahaha

Courtesy Turney3333:

Of the 21 power conference teams with a 6 seed or better, only 6 coaches reached the NCAA tournament each of their first 2 season at that school: Roy Williams, Calipari, Bill Self, Greg Gard, Bruce Webber, and Steve Prohm. Only Williams/Calipari did so with a team that missed the NCAA tournament the year prior

11 of 21 missed the tournament both their first two seasons

Then you have John Beilein who missed the tournament his first year, made the tournament his second, then missed it his third

You also have Will Wade who missed the tournament his first year, and then wound up in an FBI investigation in year 2

Also, while Painter technically made the tournament his “2nd” year, it was his 3rd year with the program having been named HC in waiting for a year.

Mike Krzyzewski
1st Season at Duke: 17-13 (NIT)
2nd season at Duke: 10-17 (no post season)

Tom Izzo
1st Season at MSU: 16-16 (NIT)
2nd season at MSU: 17-12 (NIT)

Tony Bennett
1st Season at UVA: 15-16 (no post season)
2nd Season at UVA: 16-15 (no post season)

Rick Barnes
1st Season at Tenn: 15-19 (no post season)
2nd Season at Tenn:16-16 (no post season)

Buzz Williams
1st Season at VT: 11-22 (no post season)
2nd Season at VT: 20-15 (NIT)

Leonard Hamilton
1st Season at FSU: 14-15 (no post season)
2nd Season at FSU: 19-14 (NIT)

Steve Wojciechowski
1st Season at Marquette: 13-19 (no post season)
2nd Season at Marquette: 20-13 (no post season)

Bruce Pearl
1st Season at Auburn: 15-20 (no post season)
2nd Season at Auburn: 11-20 (no post season)

Ben Howland
1st Season at Miss St: 14-17 (no post season)
2nd Season at Miss St: 16-16 (no post season)

Mark Turgeon
1st Season at Maryland: 17-15 (no post season)
2nd Season at Maryland: 20-11 (NIT)

Jay Wright
1st Season at Villanova: 19-13 (NIT)
2nd Season at Villanova: 15-15 (NIT)

Honorable Mention
Will Wade
1st Season at LSU: 18-15 (NIT)
2nd Season at LSU: Under FBI investigation

John Beilein
1st Season at UM: 10-22 (no post season)
3rd season at UM: 15-17 (no post season)

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I think most, if not all, reasonable fans now understand he’s not the right guy. That’s not the question anymore.

Bullshit.

I KNOW that most, if not all, reasonable fans now (and have for a long time) understand that you are not an IU fan. That's not the question anymore.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

i'll leave this here for you too, ya big old dumbshit. lol and love again how you pretend to by privy to real high-level talks. hahahahahahahahahahaha

Courtesy Turney3333:

Of the 21 power conference teams with a 6 seed or better, only 6 coaches reached the NCAA tournament each of their first 2 season at that school: Roy Williams, Calipari, Bill Self, Greg Gard, Bruce Webber, and Steve Prohm. Only Williams/Calipari did so with a team that missed the NCAA tournament the year prior

11 of 21 missed the tournament both their first two seasons

Then you have John Beilein who missed the tournament his first year, made the tournament his second, then missed it his third

You also have Will Wade who missed the tournament his first year, and then wound up in an FBI investigation in year 2

Also, while Painter technically made the tournament his “2nd” year, it was his 3rd year with the program having been named HC in waiting for a year.

Mike Krzyzewski
1st Season at Duke: 17-13 (NIT)
2nd season at Duke: 10-17 (no post season)

Tom Izzo
1st Season at MSU: 16-16 (NIT)
2nd season at MSU: 17-12 (NIT)

Tony Bennett
1st Season at UVA: 15-16 (no post season)
2nd Season at UVA: 16-15 (no post season)

Rick Barnes
1st Season at Tenn: 15-19 (no post season)
2nd Season at Tenn:16-16 (no post season)

Buzz Williams
1st Season at VT: 11-22 (no post season)
2nd Season at VT: 20-15 (NIT)

Leonard Hamilton
1st Season at FSU: 14-15 (no post season)
2nd Season at FSU: 19-14 (NIT)

Steve Wojciechowski
1st Season at Marquette: 13-19 (no post season)
2nd Season at Marquette: 20-13 (no post season)

Bruce Pearl
1st Season at Auburn: 15-20 (no post season)
2nd Season at Auburn: 11-20 (no post season)

Ben Howland
1st Season at Miss St: 14-17 (no post season)
2nd Season at Miss St: 16-16 (no post season)

Mark Turgeon
1st Season at Maryland: 17-15 (no post season)
2nd Season at Maryland: 20-11 (NIT)

Jay Wright
1st Season at Villanova: 19-13 (NIT)
2nd Season at Villanova: 15-15 (NIT)

Honorable Mention
Will Wade
1st Season at LSU: 18-15 (NIT)
2nd Season at LSU: Under FBI investigation

John Beilein
1st Season at UM: 10-22 (no post season)
3rd season at UM: 15-17 (no post season)

But, but, but...you are cherry picking!!!

 

[coachv jr]

Hate to disappoint you, I'm not going anywhere.

let me ask you something. if you were wearing an indiana shirt while sitting on a barstool and a guy wearing an indiana shirt sits down next to you and strikes up a conversation about iu hoops and was lamenting the various heartbreaks of indiana fandom, would you tell him to stop watching games and go take his meds? of course you wouldn't. but on the internet you feel you have license to be a dick. why is that?

 

[coachv jr]

You're not the only one thinking this way. But, for me, it goes way beyond any one game.

I don't think we'll lose to St. Francis, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we did. And the fact that I can say that and mean it is indicative of the just how far we've fallen as a program.

I've basically given up hope that we'll ever be anything like what we once were. I'm still just as supportive as I've always been and always will be. And it would certainly be great if Archie & Co. make me eat my words.

But I'm just tired of getting my hopes up...only to be let down. It's been an emotionally exhausting 20ish years.

emotionally exhausting sums it up perfectly

 

[T.M.P.]

Bullshit.

I KNOW that most, if not all, reasonable fans now (and have for a long time) understand that you are not an IU fan. That's not the question anymore.

He describes himself as reasonable, all the while ignoring he's a habitual liar and a gimp.

I find him funny in a social experiment kind of way. He literally has no self awareness or pride.

It's also possible he has some type of mental disability.

 

[coachv jr]

He's making a supportable and justifiable criticism of the program as it exists at this moment in time....and your response is to just insult him with an ad hominem?

I mean, you're certainly free to disagree. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, after all. But just because somebody holds and expresses a different opinion than yours is no reason to get nasty. After all, I think we can all agree that we want to see the team succeed.

You may well end up being right that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. But don't forget that we've been in the tunnel for decades -- not years....decades. With an s. Yeah, we've had the odd good season here and there in that span. But we've only been to the Sweet 16 all of 3 times since 2002 -- none beyond that. And we've now missed the tourney 3 seasons in a row (2 with the current coaching staff) and there's reason to fear that we'll do so again next year.

Given that, and given that our team badly underachieved this year (sorry, but that's not debatable) warrants both complaints and pessimism, I think. You don't have to agree with that, of course. But you don't need to tell people who do that they need to "take their medication" or whatever. That's bush league, and beneath you.

i'm not even being critical of the program. i think miller will get this thing turned around in a couple of years. just preparing myself for the worst tonight, as i have learned to do from experience. i don't even force my family to put on indiana striped pants and basketball shirts that i purchased and gather them around and force them to watch and pretend they are interested anymore. lately i don't even bother to don iu gear, of which i have an extensive vintage collection dating back to 1976. of course, i will still be watching.

 

[CriticArisen]

Many IU fans are suffering from PTSD (pre tournament stress disorder) that results from your elite team not playing in the NCAA.

I think one problem that CAM will continue to have is that the best (OAD’s) don’t fit well into his coaching philosophy. On the other hand how can he not try to recruit this type of player from Indiana. It is kind of a small ball philosophy and not appealing to the NBA bound.

 

[coachv jr]

Many IU fans are suffering from PTSD (pre tournament stress disorder) that results from your elite team not playing in the NCAA.

I think one problem that CAM will continue to have is that the best (OAD’s) don’t fit well into his coaching philosophy. On the other hand how can he not try to recruit this type of player from Indiana. It is kind of a small ball philosophy and not appealing to the NBA bound.

one and done's can or will go straight to the nba or g-league starting in 2020 i believe