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Dusty May- pros and cons

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Dusty May is a 6th year head coach at Florida Atlantic University and a former Indiana Hoosier manager under Bob Knight 1996-2000.

He was an assistant coach at Eastern Michigan, UAB under Mike Davis, LA Tech under Kerry Rupp, and also Mike White where his teams were successful.

He took over the FAU program for the 2018-2019 season, from former coach Michael Curry. It's important to note that Curry, who took over from long time coaching veteran Mike Jarvis, did have a somewhat upward trajectory for the program when May took over. He did not had May the keys to the Porsche, but they were trending toward better things. May took them to the stratosphere by making the Final Four in his 5th season (2023), using a roster he built entirely on his own with transfers and modestly ranked recruits.

May's teams are heavily guard oriented and the use a single pivot man. It will be interesting to see how he does next season, as he will lose 3 senior guards. But guess who he has signed for next year? 3 guards, all with some size, 2 are from Florida, the other NC. Seems reasonable. All are 3-star and verballed AFTER the FF run.

In terms of offense and defense, May has a team that can put up points, defeating Arizona this year away from home in a high scoring affair. 3 of his teams rank as the highest scoring in FAU history, and very impressively, he also holds teams to fairly low scoring output, meaning he wins games by large margins.
Despite a very veteran heavy team, the success has not been entirely 1 class, and since a large portion of the scoring should return, if he can use some new players, they could be solid again next year (but perhaps not dominant).

In terms of wins and losses, May lost a few road games this year to fairly good teams, and also had a major slip up or 2 along the way, including a headscratching loss to Bryant at home early in the season. They also lost to Illinois, which is not a bad loss, and @South Florida, who won the regular season AAC (2-team bid this year?).

But in general, since he has put them high on the map, FAU has competed at a high level. Their players have generally stayed in the program with little turnover, and his veterans have played leadership roles as they went through the program, suggesting he plays to a system and not to personnel.

4th year guard Johnell Davis is from Gary, IN and is averaging 18ppg as a 4th year player and was AAC player of the year. May has proven he can build leaders.

So what to make of this young guy? Going back to Mike White, that guy was really good early on at LA Tech and Florida but then kind of fizzled, and is now at UGA which hasn't won alot in basketball. Is May a flash in the pan? Can he recruit the state of Indiana (seems he already has)? Can he deal with the pressure of expectations in Bloomington? Would we, as fans embrace him here and give him time to build the system he needs to succeed?

All these questions. You know, I look at what DeVries has done in a similar time frame at Drake, and you wonder how long McCaffrey is going to be at Iowa, not to mention the jobs both Hoiberg and now Otzelberger have done at Iowa State.
Did I mention that McCaffrey is 0.595 at Iowa, which is roughly what the combination of Crean, Miller, and Woodson have been at IU in the same timeframe.

Dusty May is 0.653, but much higher than that in the past 3 seasons, and likely to continue beyond that. Matt Painter is 0.687 at Purdue, and he really only had a single rebuilding year at Purdue, but if people remember after his first run of success with Hummel, Johnson, Moore, there were several years of struggle and mediocrity.

Point is, it's not always easy to pick a sure thing (unless we are talking guys like Bob Knight or Rick Pitino or Gregg Marshall).
But at some point, Indiana is going to have to look at the coaching landscape and make an informed decision. Not without risk. It cant be without risk if you go after a midmajor guy. No doubt May is getting offers daily. It's only a matter of time before someone from Indiana reaches out to guage that interest.
But as far as passion and fit and pedigree, isn't May pretty much the first name that comes to mind? We all know Woodson has no chance to do well in the next 2 seasons. It's only a matter of time and pulling the trigger at this point.
 
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I didn't see the other May thread til I was writing this one. Obviously a lot of folks are thinking about the posibilities of the next tenure.
 
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FAU vs Temple, 5pm on ESPN2 today. If they win they likely face South Florida, who appears to be the top team in the American conference this year.
 
If May stays at FAU next year we will know for sure if he can sustain success because he has to add new pieces and will likely have some heavy hitters on the schedule.
 
What? We’re recruiting cons now? Would that be ex-cons or parolees? I’m willing to see anything at this point.
 
Dusty May is a 6th year head coach at Florida Atlantic University and a former Indiana Hoosier manager under Bob Knight 1996-2000.

He was an assistant coach at Eastern Michigan, UAB under Mike Davis, LA Tech under Kerry Rupp, and also Mike White where his teams were successful.

He took over the FAU program for the 2018-2019 season, from former coach Michael Curry. It's important to note that Curry, who took over from long time coaching veteran Mike Jarvis, did have a somewhat upward trajectory for the program when May took over. He did not had May the keys to the Porsche, but they were trending toward better things. May took them to the stratosphere by making the Final Four in his 5th season (2023), using a roster he built entirely on his own with transfers and modestly ranked recruits.

May's teams are heavily guard oriented and the use a single pivot man. It will be interesting to see how he does next season, as he will lose 3 senior guards. But guess who he has signed for next year? 3 guards, all with some size, 2 are from Florida, the other NC. Seems reasonable. All are 3-star and verballed AFTER the FF run.

In terms of offense and defense, May has a team that can put up points, defeating Arizona this year away from home in a high scoring affair. 3 of his teams rank as the highest scoring in FAU history, and very impressively, he also holds teams to fairly low scoring output, meaning he wins games by large margins.
Despite a very veteran heavy team, the success has not been entirely 1 class, and since a large portion of the scoring should return, if he can use some new players, they could be solid again next year (but perhaps not dominant).

In terms of wins and losses, May lost a few road games this year to fairly good teams, and also had a major slip up or 2 along the way, including a headscratching loss to Bryant at home early in the season. They also lost to Illinois, which is not a bad loss, and @South Florida, who won the regular season AAC (2-team bid this year?).

But in general, since he has put them high on the map, FAU has competed at a high level. Their players have generally stayed in the program with little turnover, and his veterans have played leadership roles as they went through the program, suggesting he plays to a system and not to personnel.

4th year guard Johnell Davis is from Gary, IN and is averaging 18ppg as a 4th year player and was AAC player of the year. May has proven he can build leaders.

So what to make of this young guy? Going back to Mike White, that guy was really good early on at LA Tech and Florida but then kind of fizzled, and is now at UGA which hasn't won alot in basketball. Is May a flash in the pan? Can he recruit the state of Indiana (seems he already has)? Can he deal with the pressure of expectations in Bloomington? Would we, as fans embrace him here and give him time to build the system he needs to succeed?

All these questions. You know, I look at what DeVries has done in a similar time frame at Drake, and you wonder how long McCaffrey is going to be at Iowa, not to mention the jobs both Hoiberg and now Otzelberger have done at Iowa State.
Did I mention that McCaffrey is 0.595 at Iowa, which is roughly what the combination of Crean, Miller, and Woodson have been at IU in the same timeframe.

Dusty May is 0.653, but much higher than that in the past 3 seasons, and likely to continue beyond that. Matt Painter is 0.687 at Purdue, and he really only had a single rebuilding year at Purdue, but if people remember after his first run of success with Hummel, Johnson, Moore, there were several years of struggle and mediocrity.

Point is, it's not always easy to pick a sure thing (unless we are talking guys like Bob Knight or Rick Pitino or Gregg Marshall).
But at some point, Indiana is going to have to look at the coaching landscape and make an informed decision. Not without risk. It cant be without risk if you go after a midmajor guy. No doubt May is getting offers daily. It's only a matter of time before someone from Indiana reaches out to guage that interest.
But as far as passion and fit and pedigree, isn't May pretty much the first name that comes to mind? We all know Woodson has no chance to do well in the next 2 seasons. It's only a matter of time and pulling the trigger at this point.
No Disrespect.. Maybe DM is the guy, but this board & program would have been screaming after to back to back 8-10 conference records & 17 win finishes. He would never have gotten to the current level because IU would have fired him after year 3 or 4. He is not coaching at B10 levels or pressures. So, before we build a statue of this guy; he may not be the guy either. If you want a RMK descendant, Michael Lewis has done an excellent job climbing the ranks. He might turn out to be the better long term coach. Who knows..
 
Mike Lewis hasn't had the success yet with what he has put together though.

I'm not sure May would work out. But 6 years and back to back strong seasons is a lot better than year 4. Almost every coach starts out poorly in one of the first few seasons. The trouble with Woodson is there is nothing to show for the next few seasons. He wants NBA guys and that isn't translating if he can't sustain the recruiting.
 
Mike Lewis hasn't had the success yet with what he has put together though.

I'm not sure May would work out. But 6 years and back to back strong seasons is a lot better than year 4. Almost every coach starts out poorly in one of the first few seasons. The trouble with Woodson is there is nothing to show for the next few seasons. He wants NBA guys and that isn't translating if he can't sustain the recruiting.
Three Q3/4 losses this year. Lost to FGCU, who Woodson was skewered for barely beating
 
Mike Lewis hasn't had the success yet with what he has put together though.

I'm not sure May would work out. But 6 years and back to back strong seasons is a lot better than year 4. Almost every coach starts out poorly in one of the first few seasons. The trouble with Woodson is there is nothing to show for the next few seasons. He wants NBA guys and that isn't translating if he can't sustain the recruiting.
After 2 seasons, ML has a better overall record compared to DM's 1st two seasons at FA. Both 1st time jobs.. But ML already recruits Indiana kids & the region. Plus, he understands Indiana basketball more because he played it.
 
After 2 seasons, ML has a better overall record compared to DM's 1st two seasons at FA. Both 1st time jobs.. But ML already recruits Indiana kids & the region. Plus, he understands Indiana basketball more because he played it.
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I think we can say the jury is no longer out on Dusty May. He's getting the job done at Michigan, armed with 5 key transfers.
Interesting to note, UMs leading scorer, Vlad Goldin was recruited by Chris Beard and went to TTU before following May from FAU to UM. Smart kid.

Look, Michigan is currently 3rd in an 18 team Big Ten. He is heading for an NCAA tourney bid and perhaps a 25 win season, though his schedule is pretty tough the next few weeks.

Never a sure thing but I do think it's safe to say May has proven himself as at least a competitor and someone who knows how to build a winner.

Should IU try to steal him away from Michigan? Yes, probably so. He would have huge support at Indiana and his teams play a fun, modern brand of basketball. One thing I like is just his energy. I think he would absorb the shots he might take as IUs head coach.

But at this point I don't think he will leave Michigan. He is building something there and probably can already see that he will have what he needs to make them a perennial winner.
 
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I think we can say the jury is no longer out on Dusty May. He's getting the job done at Michigan, armed with 5 key transfers.
Interesting to note, UMs leading scorer, Vlad Goldin was recruited by Chris Beard and went to TTU before following May from FAU to UM. Smart kid.

Look, Michigan is currently 3rd in an 18 team Big Ten. He is heading for an NCAA tourney bid and perhaps a 25 win season, though his schedule is pretty tough the next few weeks.

Never a sure thing but I do think it's safe to say May has proven himself as at least a competitor and someone who knows how to build a winner.

Should IU try to steal him away from Michigan? Yes, probably so. He would have huge support at Indiana and his teams play a fun, modern brand of basketball. One thing I like is just his energy. I think he would absorb the shots he might take as IUs head coach.

But at this point I don't think he will leave Michigan. He is building something there and probably can already see that he will have what he needs to make them a perennial winner.

Given that many of us have watched several Michigan games this year, it seems that observing these games has lessened our enthusiasm for Dusty, as he may not have passed the eyeball test. This makes me wonder how fans would feel if they watched more games featuring other coaches who are frequently mentioned here. Would those coaches pass the same eyeball test?
 
I think we can say the jury is no longer out on Dusty May. He's getting the job done at Michigan, armed with 5 key transfers.
Interesting to note, UMs leading scorer, Vlad Goldin was recruited by Chris Beard and went to TTU before following May from FAU to UM. Smart kid.

Look, Michigan is currently 3rd in an 18 team Big Ten. He is heading for an NCAA tourney bid and perhaps a 25 win season, though his schedule is pretty tough the next few weeks.

Never a sure thing but I do think it's safe to say May has proven himself as at least a competitor and someone who knows how to build a winner.

Should IU try to steal him away from Michigan? Yes, probably so. He would have huge support at Indiana and his teams play a fun, modern brand of basketball. One thing I like is just his energy. I think he would absorb the shots he might take as IUs head coach.

But at this point I don't think he will leave Michigan. He is building something there and probably can already see that he will have what he needs to make them a perennial winner.
Well said and looks to be the default choice. He does know the IU fanbase and the pressure that comes with the job. There are more proven candidates but he does check many boxes.
 
Eyeball test? Too many turnovers for you? A few close losses?

He has the big test today plus 2 games vs MSU, as well as games vs Illinois and Purdue.
 
Well said and looks to be the default choice. He does know the IU fanbase and the pressure that comes with the job. There are more proven candidates but he does check many boxes.
I personally am not sure Mark Few would do well at this point at IU. Excellent coach, just not a guy who i would think is going to excel in the dogfight of the Big Ten.
Point being, proven candidates are not all great fit at Indiana.
 
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Eyeball test? Too many turnovers for you? A few close losses?

He has the big test today plus 2 games vs MSU, as well as games vs Illinois and Purdue.
Speaking of turnovers-UConn has a total of 47 turnovers in their last two games. I just saw the highlights of last night game with and McNeeley had the ball picked late in the game off the dribble for an easy StbJohns score. Pitino is rolling in his second year. I remember late last season he had a press conference late in the season and really called out his players. Whatever he has done has worked wonders.
 
Look, Michigan is currently 3rd in an 18 team Big Ten. He is heading for an NCAA tourney bid and perhaps a 25 win season, though his schedule is pretty tough the next few weeks.



But at this point I don't think he will leave Michigan. He is building something there and probably can already see that he will have what he needs to make them a perennial winner.
This is my hesitation on IU’s ability to land a coach like May.

Take any coach at any top 25 ranked team. Obviously that coach would believe that he can build on what he has done at that program. What is May thinking? Can he build Michigan into a top 3 B10 team? Can he build Michigan into a top 10 national program? My speculation is that he thinks “yes”.

Now, look at IU. Why jump from a Michigan to IU? And, this is a question for him as a coach, not for us fans to answer. The only answer I see is if he thinks he will have better results at IU than at Michigan, AND he needs to weigh that against any risks that the move has.

If I am dusty may (or any other power 5 coach) I assume that where I am with the program I’m at, that is my floor there. And, I’m confident the ceiling is a good amount higher. What about at IU? Should I be concerned that I may be walking into a situation where I end up with worse results? Is the floor at IU higher than where I’m at with Michigan? Is it worth the “risk”?

I know, I know…more NIL at IU, easier entrance requirements, great fans, sleeping giant/top 5 historic program, etc. ……

But, still. Perhaps there is more to it than we are seeing.
 
This is my hesitation on IU’s ability to land a coach like May.

Take any coach at any top 25 ranked team. Obviously that coach would believe that he can build on what he has done at that program. What is May thinking? Can he build Michigan into a top 3 B10 team? Can he build Michigan into a top 10 national program? My speculation is that he thinks “yes”.

Now, look at IU. Why jump from a Michigan to IU? And, this is a question for him as a coach, not for us fans to answer. The only answer I see is if he thinks he will have better results at IU than at Michigan, AND he needs to weigh that against any risks that the move has.

If I am dusty may (or any other power 5 coach) I assume that where I am with the program I’m at, that is my floor there. And, I’m confident the ceiling is a good amount higher. What about at IU? Should I be concerned that I may be walking into a situation where I end up with worse results? Is the floor at IU higher than where I’m at with Michigan? Is it worth the “risk”?

I know, I know…more NIL at IU, easier entrance requirements, great fans, sleeping giant/top 5 historic program, etc. ……

But, still. Perhaps there is more to it than we are seeing.
I heard May’s doing a campus visit today.
 
I agree- it's seems reasonable that May would be very pleased to stay where he is.
The floor is higher at Indiana but so is the criticism. If he goes 24-9 this year and makes the round of 32, UM fans won't mind if he wins 16 games next year with freshmen and sophomores.

Indiana fans now expect a coach to go buy a team every season and lack patience for a "build".

That may mean some good coaches will choose not to take the IU job.

But if it's me, I'm talking with guys like John Beilein, Bo Ryan, and even Tom Izzo to get their take on what type of coach would do well at IU- before I start making offers. It has to be the right guy.

Also, I believe Indiana should go after the very best choice no matter where they currently are, be it Brad Stevens, Billy Donovan, Dan Hurley, Dusty May, Chris Beard or Bruce Pearl.

I wish Dolson would let me interview candidates! I'd love to interview Ben McCollom and ask him if he could recruit the talent to get to and win in the Final Four. I'd love to ask him how his guards would do going up against recent Villanova and UConn teams, and whether he has the desire to build a true juggernaut at Indiana.
I would love to ask coaches if they could have used Kaleb Banks and CJ Gunn differently, and how to blend a 1 year newcomer like Ballo with young players.

How to build a winner. And then how to keep them from falling off while you build another one.
 
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Eyeball test? Too many turnovers for you? A few close losses?

He has the big test today plus 2 games vs MSU, as well as games vs Illinois and Purdue.

You're probably right, if Michigan steamrolls IU today, it’ll only boost Dusty May’s stock in the wishlist rankings. And if Michigan builds a big lead, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear ‘We Want Dusty’ chants echoing through Assembly Hall.
 
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This is my hesitation on IU’s ability to land a coach like May.

Take any coach at any top 25 ranked team. Obviously that coach would believe that he can build on what he has done at that program. What is May thinking? Can he build Michigan into a top 3 B10 team? Can he build Michigan into a top 10 national program? My speculation is that he thinks “yes”.

Now, look at IU. Why jump from a Michigan to IU? And, this is a question for him as a coach, not for us fans to answer. The only answer I see is if he thinks he will have better results at IU than at Michigan, AND he needs to weigh that against any risks that the move has.

If I am dusty may (or any other power 5 coach) I assume that where I am with the program I’m at, that is my floor there. And, I’m confident the ceiling is a good amount higher. What about at IU? Should I be concerned that I may be walking into a situation where I end up with worse results? Is the floor at IU higher than where I’m at with Michigan? Is it worth the “risk”?

I know, I know…more NIL at IU, easier entrance requirements, great fans, sleeping giant/top 5 historic program, etc. ……

But, still. Perhaps there is more to it than we are seeing.
So lay out for me the thinking of going to a program with better history, NIL and fan support would have an equal or lower ceiling. Bball still matters more at IU and will always be a 2nd thought at UM. Now, in a down season/stretch, that might have it's advantages, but IU has proven to be at least as patient with coaches (otherwise we may well have May as our coach now), and top tier guys aren't thinking about bad seasons. I'm not saying he'd come, just because he's only been there a year, but if you've already decided to consider IU, I think it clearly has advantages over UM and that's not considering that you grew up near the campus and program.
 
This is my hesitation on IU’s ability to land a coach like May.

Take any coach at any top 25 ranked team. Obviously that coach would believe that he can build on what he has done at that program. What is May thinking? Can he build Michigan into a top 3 B10 team? Can he build Michigan into a top 10 national program? My speculation is that he thinks “yes”.

Now, look at IU. Why jump from a Michigan to IU? And, this is a question for him as a coach, not for us fans to answer. The only answer I see is if he thinks he will have better results at IU than at Michigan, AND he needs to weigh that against any risks that the move has.

If I am dusty may (or any other power 5 coach) I assume that where I am with the program I’m at, that is my floor there. And, I’m confident the ceiling is a good amount higher. What about at IU? Should I be concerned that I may be walking into a situation where I end up with worse results? Is the floor at IU higher than where I’m at with Michigan? Is it worth the “risk”?

I know, I know…more NIL at IU, easier entrance requirements, great fans, sleeping giant/top 5 historic program, etc. ……

But, still. Perhaps there is more to it than we are seeing.

True, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
 
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